Giuseppe 'The Savior' Rossi - ST - Villareal (16 Viewers)

[electricRoo]

Not at all, considering Juventus is a publicly-traded company that has a multinational staff and player base. People usually don't have the brain power to understand this, but they should.

LOL, ok then. So, looking at Juventus players, no one in Italy is allowed to root for Juventus unless one of their players hails from a region that they are from. For example, if someone from Sardinia is playing in Juventus, then only then can someone from Sardinia be able to root for the club, vaguely of course as he should be supporting either Palermo or Catania first.

Extending that to international landscape. Unless a player of your own nationality is playing in Juventus, then you have no business associating yourself with the club if you are not from Turin. Moreover, that player has to come from your own region as well, since the link becomes weaker if he isn't. This doesn't matter either anyway because you also should only be rooting for your own city's club.

See how tribalism is ridiculous? It's also really arrogant, how is it your business to tell people who they should support and who they shouldn't?

 

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[electricRoo]

I've written about this several times. The first club football match I saw on television was Juventus back in the mid-90's.

So what? If you are not from Turin you should not be rooting for Juventus, you leecher.

 

[Djabrail]

Nope, don't agree. Unless you're Italian or have a deep connection to Italy, it is nonsensical. I call it leeching off the success of an entity that isn't your own.

What a bull

 

[Bjerknes]

If you like the country, the people, the culture and support an Italian team, why can't you support the Italian national team, as a second team?

You can support whomever you like. I'm personally not going to respect you in doing that, however. Want to know why? Because it's not about the culture and the people for Azzurri fans around the globe, it's about the success of their football. Stop purporting excuses. If the Azzurri was a second-rate footballing nation there would be very few of those said fans around the globe. It's as simple as that.

So lets get real here.

LOL, ok then. So, looking at Juventus players, no one in Italy is allowed to root for Juventus unless one of their players hails from a region that they are from. For example, if someone from Sardinia is playing in Juventus, then only then can someone from Sardinia be able to root for the club, vaguely of course as he should be supporting either Palermo or Catania first.

Extending that to international landscape. Unless a player of your own nationality is playing in Juventus, then you have no business associating yourself with the club if you are not from Turin. Moreover, that player has to come from your own region as well, since the link becomes weaker if he isn't. This doesn't matter either anyway because you also should only be rooting for your own city's club.

See how tribalism is ridiculous? It's also really arrogant, how is it your business to tell people who they should support and who they shouldn't?

Wrong. There is no such thing as a Turin passport, or a passport for Juventus. There are no limitations on nationality to play for Juventus besides the silly non-EU rule, so in theory I could play for Juventus if I was good enough. I couldn't play for the Azzurri, however. (Not that I'd want to, considering half the fans would hate me because I'm not even Oriundi)

I could go buy shares of Juventus on the Milan exchange and have a stake in the club from a business perspective as well. You can't do that with the Azzurri, unless you think buying an ETF for the Milan exchange is a direct business venture with the Italian National team.

So there you have it. Club football and international football are completely different.

 

[Bjerknes]

What a bull

It's bull because you don't agree with it and you're a case in point example. That's fine.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

You can support whomever you like. I'm personally not going to respect you in doing that, however. Want to know why? Because it's not about the culture and the people for Azzurri fans around the globe, it's about the success of their football. Stop purporting excuses. If the Azzurri was a second-rate footballing nation there would be very few of those said fans around the globe. It's as simple as that.

So lets get real here.

tbh i hate england for exactly that, i dislike the 'culture' the political structure is just ridiculous and the people who are generally miserable and rude, i know in the past you mentioned that if you were educated in a country you should support that country, well again england's educational system let me down eventhough i did finish up with a university degree by the end of it, but it was by no means down to the faith and support of my teachers that almost denied me a place at university to begin with. Whilst my support for Italy is because i fell in love with the country when i first went, everything in Italy is more or less a complete polarisation to what i hate about england

 

[electricRoo]

You can support whomever you like. I'm personally not going to respect you in doing that, however. Want to know why? Because it's not about the culture and the people for Azzurri fans around the globe, it's about the success of their football. Stop purporting excuses. If the Azzurri was a second-rate footballing nation there would be very few of those said fans around the globe. It's as simple as that.

So lets get real here.

That's stupid and ridiculous. So you simply can't be a fan of an international football team because of the way they play, footballing philosophy or the kind of players they have?

Wrong. There is no such thing as a Turin passport, or a passport for Juventus. There are no limitations on nationality to play for Juventus besides the silly non-EU rule, so in theory I could play for Juventus if I was good enough. I couldn't play for the Azzurri, however. (Not that I'd want to, considering half the fans would hate me because I'm not even Oriundi)

Ha, you are fitting your argument to suit your situation. With your mentality if you are not from Torino you should be supporting your own local club and no one else. Even more, if you are not Italian you really should not even LOOK at Juve since you should be rooting for your own local team. Leecher glory hunter.

I don't even know why you bring passports into the situation. You are talking about links of some sort, so if you only count legally recognizable links, then you have to introduce some sort of hierarchy of which link is greater than another. Therefore, even if you are italian, your link to your home region takes precedence over other regions of Italy. Therefore stop supporting Juventus, poser.

I could go buy shares of Juventus on the Milan exchange and have a stake in the club from a business perspective as well. You can't do that with the Azzurri, unless you think buying an ETF for the Milan exchange is a direct business venture with the Italian National team.

So there you have it. Club football and international football are completely different.

Sure, go ahead and get shares of Juventus. Even then, your only interest would be financial, not sporting, so your argument falls down here as well. What you don't get is that you yourself have ruled yourself out from supporting Juve under your rules.

Where are you even from?

 

[Djabrail]

It's bull because you don't agree with it and you're a case in point example. That's fine.

Whats your point, if you even have one? Is it bout gloryhunters? Then what makes you so different, you support Juve, the powerhorse once, dont you?

 

[Fint]

I really don't see the issue with cheering for another country so long as it isn't while they're playing your own of course. It's not wrong to want to see another nation doing well imo, so long as you don't go around saying ''we'' won the world cup or something.

And by your reasoning, anyone wanting to watch Brazil play well and win for example are just leeches right?

As for your respect, it doesn't mean a whole lot to me to be fair.

 

[Alen]

Where are you even from?

He's actually from Turin and that makes all your exchange even funnier.

 

[Bjerknes]

That's stupid and ridiculous. So you simply can't be a fan of an international football team because of the way they play, footballing philosophy or the kind of players they have?

Of course you can. But be honest with yourself. If Italy had zero World Cups, would you be supporting them now? Would you really? I seriously doubt that, for very good reason.

Ha, you are fitting your argument to suit your situation. With your mentality if you are not from Torino you should be supporting your own local club and no one else. Even more, if you are not Italian you really should not even LOOK at Juve since you should be rooting for your own local team. Leecher glory hunter.

You're not understand the crux of the issue here. In international football, unless you're a martian, you already have your own football team. But various places around the world might not even have a local football team, like where I'm from.

I don't even know why you bring passports into the situation. You are talking about links of some sort, so if you only count legally recognizable links, then you have to introduce some sort of hierarchy of which link is greater than another. Therefore, even if you are italian, your link to your home region takes precedence over other regions of Italy. Therefore stop supporting Juventus, poser.

You need an Italian passport to play for Italy. You don't need one to play in club football. Those are the rules, mind you. International football is based on nationality. Since the passport issue is what FIFA uses as legal differentiation between nationalities, it is very important. How can one NOT bring Passports into international football?

Some folks like to live in fairytale land. Many of them are Azzurri fans from around the globe.

Sure, go ahead and get shares of Juventus. Even then, your only interest would be financial, not sporting, so your argument falls down here as well. What you don't get is that you yourself have ruled yourself out from supporting Juve under your rules.

WRONG. My interest would be in sporting as well, considering the greater the success on the pitch, the more success for the shares of the club. In buying them I have a direct interest in how the club performs on the pitch AND in the books.

 

[Bjerknes]

I really don't see the issue with cheering for another country so long as it isn't while they're playing your own of course. It's not wrong to want to see another nation doing well imo, so long as you don't go around saying ''we'' won the world cup or something.

See, but that's where your whole support fails. Right there. The whole purpose of supporting a team is supporting them through thick and thin. Now all of sudden, you don't support your team anymore.

It is a very cheap loyalty.

As for your respect, it doesn't mean a whole lot to me to be fair.

And neither should it. We aren't even acquaintances.

 

[Fint]

Guess we could just agree to disagree, I'll still always cheer on Italy when they play no matter what anyone else's opinion may be, and I know not everyone sees the point in this but it is what it is.

 

[electricRoo]

Of course you can. But be honest with yourself. If Italy had zero World Cups, would you be supporting them now? Would you really? I seriously doubt that, for very good reason.

Dude, lol, Italy hadn't won shit for 28 years, I had never seen them win anything in my lifetime, so it's not like their vast and unprecedented sucess was what won me over. I liked the players they had and like the philosophy of football that served as a counterweight to Brazil's. Of course I didn't cast off my own national team, but that's the thing about affection, it's not finite and can grow and include more things over time. Funny thing that I still kept rooting for them for years and years despite not seeing them win anything.

Of course, you are an arrogant twat so you wouldn't understand that.

You're not understand the crux of the issue here. In international football, unless you're a martian, you already have your own football team. But various places around the world might not even have a local football team, like where I'm from.

You need an Italian passport to play for Italy. You don't need one to play in club football. Those are the rules, mind you. International football is based on nationality. Since the passport issue is what FIFA uses as legal differentiation between nationalities, it is very important. How can one NOT bring Passports into international football?

Tough luck then if your region doesn't have a team. You are betraying your own allegiance to your region. I know you won't even attempt to understand why your argument is so stupid and retarded and rooted deeply in stupid tribalism but go on anyway.

Some folks like to live in fairytale land. Many of them are Azzurri fans from around the globe.

You don't even understand the argument at hand and just coming off as a massive twat. I find hilarious that you don't understand that the reasons why people like to cheer for Brazil, Netherlands, Italy even if they are not from there, and instead decide to act like an arrogant twat.

WRONG. My interest would be in sporting as well, considering the greater the success on the pitch, the more success for the shares of the club. In buying them I have a direct interest in how the club performs on the pitch AND in the books.

Are you honestly this stupid? Football as a business is not a good investment other than for entertainment and playthings for rich men. Why do you think the FFP rules are coming? Have you even looked at financial statements of the top clubs around the world? If you are an investor, you demand profits to increase the value of your shares, and that doesn't come from winning the Scudetto or the Premier League.

 

[Zacheryah]

You can support whomever you like. I'm personally not going to respect you in doing that, however. Want to know why? Because it's not about the culture and the people for Azzurri fans around the globe, it's about the success of their football. Stop purporting excuses. If the Azzurri was a second-rate footballing nation there would be very few of those said fans around the globe. It's as simple as that.

So lets get real here.



Wrong. There is no such thing as a Turin passport, or a passport for Juventus. There are no limitations on nationality to play for Juventus besides the silly non-EU rule, so in theory I could play for Juventus if I was good enough. I couldn't play for the Azzurri, however. (Not that I'd want to, considering half the fans would hate me because I'm not even Oriundi)

I could go buy shares of Juventus on the Milan exchange and have a stake in the club from a business perspective as well. You can't do that with the Azzurri, unless you think buying an ETF for the Milan exchange is a direct business venture with the Italian National team.

So there you have it. Club football and international football are completely different.

i got a history of disagree'ing with this man, but he's kinda spot on

i do would like to point out that despite beeing belgian, i have the italian national team in my heart for the passion and culture of italy and its football, not for the good football.

 

[mfdoom]

What if you support Italy because of the Juve players there?

 

[Zacheryah]

I'm not easy impressed by a player, but by a tactical team performance.

if any azzurri player ever impressed me, it was maldini and baresi.

when i hear juventus and azzurri, i automatically think to all the years del piero failed to make much of a positive impact, the bleeding dept beeing when we lost the european championship to france when he missed 2 golden chances.
But after his achievements at juventus, and how he helped in the 2006 world cup, i forgave him.

juventus doesnt tie me to the azzurri, their playstyle does

 

[Bjerknes]

Tough luck then if your region doesn't have a team. You are betraying your own allegiance to your region. I know you won't even attempt to understand why your argument is so stupid and retarded and rooted deeply in stupid tribalism but go on anyway.

My argument isn't rooted in tribalism, it's rooted in reality. Club football is a global business nowadays. International football is based on nationality. That much is clear. If you're not Italian, you don't share anything with their culture or their people, so there isn't a reason to support the Azzurri. It is that simple.

When Italy won the World Cup in 2006, it was a win for their nation, not anyone else's. Your mistake is that you are trying to cloud the reality of what international and club football is based on. The whole "region" argument is void anyway considering Juve has always had a lot of support from Southern Italy.

Are you honestly this stupid? Football as a business is not a good investment other than for entertainment and playthings for rich men. Why do you think the FFP rules are coming? Have you even looked at financial statements of the top clubs around the world? If you are an investor, you demand profits to increase the value of your shares, and that doesn't come from winning the Scudetto or the Premier League.

Football is not usually a good investment from a big club's standpoint, you are right about that. But my point still stands. Club football is a multinational sport and business in this day and age. I can buy shares in Juventus, Juventus can field a team full of non-Italians. This club has always been located in the city of Turin, but its identity is the club itself, not Italy or a specific region of the world. That is where your argument fails.

 

[edgardavids2608]

when you really get down to it football is entertainment. They are payed to entertain us and thats it. Without fans thay have no money and no one plays just like some stupid olympic sport lik curling. Having said this there is another reaon we like it as well and thats the passion and loyalty that builds for the team. Yes it is a little weird to have a love for the Azzuri with no real connection but if they entertain you and you really want them to win.(lets say against Brazil) or whoever and they lose it builds kind of a bond because all your mates make fun and stuff.

Basically just because you arent from there its ok to be a fan of them because its all entertainment anyway. Dont tell me Bjerk that every game you watch that doesnt have your country in it you dont root for one team or the other? Or you like the way some teams styles are more than others. Also when all your favorite players play for them and they play the same style as your favorite club for the most part its understandable

 

[Hust]

Of course you can. But be honest with yourself. If Italy had zero World Cups, would you be supporting them now? Would you really? I seriously doubt that, for very good reason.




You're not understand the crux of the issue here. In international football, unless you're a martian, you already have your own football team. But various places around the world might not even have a local football team, like where I'm from.



You need an Italian passport to play for Italy. You don't need one to play in club football. Those are the rules, mind you. International football is based on nationality. Since the passport issue is what FIFA uses as legal differentiation between nationalities, it is very important. How can one NOT bring Passports into international football?

Some folks like to live in fairytale land. Many of them are Azzurri fans from around the globe.




WRONG. My interest would be in sporting as well, considering the greater the success on the pitch, the more success for the shares of the club. In buying them I have a direct interest in how the club performs on the pitch AND in the books.