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Marotta keeps getting results but little respect
Have you ever met someone who keeps achieving a lot yet he never gets credit for it? That pretty much sums up how Beppe Marotta is perceived by many Calcio fans. Before he became Juve's executive director, the club was in free fall in the standings and was also carrying considerable debt. Now Juve is on the verge of winning it's fourth scudetto in a row with a realistic chance of making it to at least the Champions league semifinals, in addition Marotta ensured Juve is in the top 10 clubs in the world for financial revenues, at a time where many Italian clubs are struggling financially. But the architect of this success, both on and off the field, is hardly ever mentioned as the reason for the club's remarkable turnaround.
Conte rightfully received a lot of the praise for the club's resurgence the first season he returned to Turin. But Marotta didn't even get the credit for hiring him, since Conte was reportedly president Andrea Agnelli's choice, if that wasn't enough many fail to point out that the team Conte had for his first scudetto as a coach featured many players brought in by Marotta including Vidal (a player Conte admitted he wasn't familiar with when he was hired), Lichtsteiner and Vucinic. Two of the key players on that team, Barzagli and Matri, were in Turin even before Conte became the coach. Of course Conte is now gone, and yet Juve keeps winning despite Marotta having to find a replacement in July, yet he doesn't get credit for that either. The summer of Conte's second season Pogba arrived, but of course for some that had nothing to do with Marotta- in their minds that was all thanks to Pogba's agent Raiola's relationship with Nedved.
The Marotta critics will point to fact sporting director Paratici is mainly responsible for picking the players- and that is true. But Marotta was the one who took the gamble to bring Paratici to Turin with him from Sampdoria when he got the Juve job. Where Marotta deserves enormous (and all of the) credit is finding creative ways to strenghten Juve's squad while vastly improving the club's balance sheet. But even for that he gets criticized, the "Marotta loan with option to buy special" is often used to mock him- but anyone who understands how finances at football clubs work, knows that is very shortsighted since this formula spreads out the cost of the player over an extra year on the financial books.
Marotta saw the damage the Diego, Amauri and Felipe Melo deals did to Juve's books. These were players with very high book values who weren't performing on the pitch (and if you understand transfer fee amortization over time you also understand why Marotta kept loaning Felipe Melo rather than selling him for pennies on the dollar). Marotta uses a formula that worked wonders for Juve- he is willing to spend a high transfer fee as long as the player earns low wages (Asamoah, Morata) or sign a player to high wages (Tevez, Pirlo, Llorente) as long as he is fairly cheap transfer wise or arrives as a free transfer. This formula ensured that each player on Juve's financial books didn't have an exorbitant figure, and is one of the main reasons Juve had no need to sell players like Vidal or Pogba even for a big offer (contrast that to what happened at Milan with Ibrahimovic and Thiago Silva). But of course being disciplined like this isn't as sexy as signing someone like Alexi Sanchez who didn't fit Juve's parameters. Juve has certainly tried to get big names like Falcao, Van Persie etc over the years but they would only pull the trigger if it was on their own terms.
On top of being very disciplined, Marotta has also shown he is very creative. The deals he has made with Sassuolo in recent years are proof of that. With co ownerships being outlawed in Italy this coming summer, Marotta found a way to still reap the benefits of them, the Simone Zaza deal will be a blueprint you will see other clubs imitating. Juventus sold their half to Zaza for €8 million, but retained the right to buy him back for €15 million this summer, and €18 million in 2016- this is essentially a co ownership in disguise with set financial parameters- Zaza gets playing time and Juve can decide if he's worth the investment.
It would certainly be naive to overlook the mistakes Marotta has made. While if you support him it's easy to point to fact he brought in Morata, Pogba, Vidal, Pirlo, Barzagli and Lichtsteiner for less than PSG spent on David Luiz he has also had some deals he would love to have back. The Martinez deal with Catania comes to mind, as well as the Gabbiadini sale to Napoli just last January- but there isn't one executive with a long track record who doesn't have mistakes on their resume and Marotta was tasked with rebuilding the club.
Many of Marotta's critics like to compare him to Luciano Moggi, but in my opinion that isn't a very fair comparison. While Moggi will rightfully go down as one of the best sporting directors in the history of the sport, both for the players he acquired as well as fact he kept a balanced budget, he operated in a radically different Serie A than the one Marotta is in now. Top players were willing to come to Italy in Moggi's days, this isn't the case today for many of the top talents on market, and as great as Moggi was he also has some moves he would love to take back. Marotta has been able to keep all of Juve's stars at a time where all other top teams in Italy have to sell, he is the perfect director for this climate.
Finally Marotta is starting to get credit, the acquisitions of Tevez and Morata are changing how he's perceived and are bringing success to Juve in Europe. But just last summer I criticized Marotta for going for Morata instead of Iturbe, but he has been proven right at least so far. While the Gabbiadini deal looks very bad today, many forget that Marotta also ensured Juve fully owns defender Rugani just last January- he is the best defensive prospect in Italy and will likely be a great long term replacement for Barzagli.
Marotta has ensured Juve is set up very well for the future- the club has the best squad in Italy and still controls the destiny of many top prospects like Rugani, Berardi and Zaza. Juventus is strong enough financially that they can keep all of their best players unless they want to leave, that is saying a lot for Italy these days. As I write this article, Marotta is celebrating his 58th birthday, I wish him the best and hope he starts getting the credit he very much deserves. I suspect he is fine with his colleagues taking the credit as long as Juve keeps winning.
http://gianlucadimarzio.com/en/calciomercato/marotta-keeps-getting-results-but-little-respect/
Marotta keeps getting results but little respect
Have you ever met someone who keeps achieving a lot yet he never gets credit for it? That pretty much sums up how Beppe Marotta is perceived by many Calcio fans. Before he became Juve's executive director, the club was in free fall in the standings and was also carrying considerable debt. Now Juve is on the verge of winning it's fourth scudetto in a row with a realistic chance of making it to at least the Champions league semifinals, in addition Marotta ensured Juve is in the top 10 clubs in the world for financial revenues, at a time where many Italian clubs are struggling financially. But the architect of this success, both on and off the field, is hardly ever mentioned as the reason for the club's remarkable turnaround.
Conte rightfully received a lot of the praise for the club's resurgence the first season he returned to Turin. But Marotta didn't even get the credit for hiring him, since Conte was reportedly president Andrea Agnelli's choice, if that wasn't enough many fail to point out that the team Conte had for his first scudetto as a coach featured many players brought in by Marotta including Vidal (a player Conte admitted he wasn't familiar with when he was hired), Lichtsteiner and Vucinic. Two of the key players on that team, Barzagli and Matri, were in Turin even before Conte became the coach. Of course Conte is now gone, and yet Juve keeps winning despite Marotta having to find a replacement in July, yet he doesn't get credit for that either. The summer of Conte's second season Pogba arrived, but of course for some that had nothing to do with Marotta- in their minds that was all thanks to Pogba's agent Raiola's relationship with Nedved.
The Marotta critics will point to fact sporting director Paratici is mainly responsible for picking the players- and that is true. But Marotta was the one who took the gamble to bring Paratici to Turin with him from Sampdoria when he got the Juve job. Where Marotta deserves enormous (and all of the) credit is finding creative ways to strenghten Juve's squad while vastly improving the club's balance sheet. But even for that he gets criticized, the "Marotta loan with option to buy special" is often used to mock him- but anyone who understands how finances at football clubs work, knows that is very shortsighted since this formula spreads out the cost of the player over an extra year on the financial books.
Marotta saw the damage the Diego, Amauri and Felipe Melo deals did to Juve's books. These were players with very high book values who weren't performing on the pitch (and if you understand transfer fee amortization over time you also understand why Marotta kept loaning Felipe Melo rather than selling him for pennies on the dollar). Marotta uses a formula that worked wonders for Juve- he is willing to spend a high transfer fee as long as the player earns low wages (Asamoah, Morata) or sign a player to high wages (Tevez, Pirlo, Llorente) as long as he is fairly cheap transfer wise or arrives as a free transfer. This formula ensured that each player on Juve's financial books didn't have an exorbitant figure, and is one of the main reasons Juve had no need to sell players like Vidal or Pogba even for a big offer (contrast that to what happened at Milan with Ibrahimovic and Thiago Silva). But of course being disciplined like this isn't as sexy as signing someone like Alexi Sanchez who didn't fit Juve's parameters. Juve has certainly tried to get big names like Falcao, Van Persie etc over the years but they would only pull the trigger if it was on their own terms.
On top of being very disciplined, Marotta has also shown he is very creative. The deals he has made with Sassuolo in recent years are proof of that. With co ownerships being outlawed in Italy this coming summer, Marotta found a way to still reap the benefits of them, the Simone Zaza deal will be a blueprint you will see other clubs imitating. Juventus sold their half to Zaza for €8 million, but retained the right to buy him back for €15 million this summer, and €18 million in 2016- this is essentially a co ownership in disguise with set financial parameters- Zaza gets playing time and Juve can decide if he's worth the investment.
It would certainly be naive to overlook the mistakes Marotta has made. While if you support him it's easy to point to fact he brought in Morata, Pogba, Vidal, Pirlo, Barzagli and Lichtsteiner for less than PSG spent on David Luiz he has also had some deals he would love to have back. The Martinez deal with Catania comes to mind, as well as the Gabbiadini sale to Napoli just last January- but there isn't one executive with a long track record who doesn't have mistakes on their resume and Marotta was tasked with rebuilding the club.
Many of Marotta's critics like to compare him to Luciano Moggi, but in my opinion that isn't a very fair comparison. While Moggi will rightfully go down as one of the best sporting directors in the history of the sport, both for the players he acquired as well as fact he kept a balanced budget, he operated in a radically different Serie A than the one Marotta is in now. Top players were willing to come to Italy in Moggi's days, this isn't the case today for many of the top talents on market, and as great as Moggi was he also has some moves he would love to take back. Marotta has been able to keep all of Juve's stars at a time where all other top teams in Italy have to sell, he is the perfect director for this climate.
Finally Marotta is starting to get credit, the acquisitions of Tevez and Morata are changing how he's perceived and are bringing success to Juve in Europe. But just last summer I criticized Marotta for going for Morata instead of Iturbe, but he has been proven right at least so far. While the Gabbiadini deal looks very bad today, many forget that Marotta also ensured Juve fully owns defender Rugani just last January- he is the best defensive prospect in Italy and will likely be a great long term replacement for Barzagli.
Marotta has ensured Juve is set up very well for the future- the club has the best squad in Italy and still controls the destiny of many top prospects like Rugani, Berardi and Zaza. Juventus is strong enough financially that they can keep all of their best players unless they want to leave, that is saying a lot for Italy these days. As I write this article, Marotta is celebrating his 58th birthday, I wish him the best and hope he starts getting the credit he very much deserves. I suspect he is fine with his colleagues taking the credit as long as Juve keeps winning.
He deserved it
He has done his mistakes but overol he has been truly stelar for us. Pirlo, Vidal, Pogba Tevez and maybe Morata, turned out to be extremely solid signings. The Pogba one being the decisive one, that will bring the goods to juve in one way or another.
With all his penny pinching, he has done a great job for us indeed. And if we didnt have gone all in for a estelar player yet, is because we truly cant. But TBH, after the Tevez deal and the Iturbe bullet dodging.... we really have learned that with Marotta, we need to let him do his thing.
With all his penny pinching, he has done a great job for us indeed. And if we didnt have gone all in for a estelar player yet, is because we truly cant. But TBH, after the Tevez deal and the Iturbe bullet dodging.... we really have learned that with Marotta, we need to let him do his thing.
Thats because of Conte, not Marotta, Conte could have done the same, with Secco's signings, learn how to judge properly or STFU yrself...
You do sound like a troll more than i do, your post contains more insults than arguments...
For seven years i have been proving how and why, our board makes decisions based on those nationalistic criteria, from early June just like now and for seven years ppl claim thats early and expect them to turn around and sign the players we need, till the very last day. But it never happens, so here we are now, re-living the same moments again...
So i better start raising this question as soon as i see the first signs. Since i see that ppl never learn...
The ussual amount we spend every year in the past 7 years is 50mil, plus cash from the sales.
We ussually spend it all on CMs and SSs and buy cheap/free squad players as defenders.
ATM, we have comitted 30mil on 2 CMs, about to commit from 15-20 on two more and are considering 15mil SSs.
The interest for above than Peluso-like defenders is still at minimum.
This is exactly how it started in the past 7 years. 7 consecutive years is not a coincidence and each and every year we were hoping for the best, we were told that this time we will favor quality over quantity, untill the very last day... but every time it was proved to be any empty promise/hope...
Exactly! And even if he does, even one of the other 2, miss a few matches, because of injuries/suspensions, we will be forced to play a youngster or an offensive wingback as CB,
lets say this happens in the CL vs Barca or in the cup final vs Napoli, or in a title decider vs Milan.
Wont we regret not having a decent back up solution, then?
For the 3 CMs, we already had more options and opted to invest further 30mil (so far at least) for depth, why forget the defence? (again?)
Our defense, not our defenders though, Bonucci is far from the best defenders in Europe, actually considering his frequent blunders and catastrophic mistakes, the fact that he was a liability for the greater part of the season and before Borriello arrives, he was with great consistency, our weakest player on the pitch,
he can hardly be considered decent, let alone good or top. So there is a lot of space for improvement there.
And although serie A is weak now and we might not need it, why shouldnt we close the quality gap between us and the Milano based teams and further improve our team, for both the domestic and the CL performances?
Even Barca or other nearly flawless team, seek out ways to improve, why not us?
Because we have won a title/decade in the decaying Italian league?
We are an international power, or at least we aspire to become yet again, we are the proud of Italy, the standard barrier, we set the bar for everyone else to follow!
This has always been the case and IMO is also a reason why the Italian championship is becoming weaker and weaker.
Because we are not there to keep those standards up there.
We are Juventus FFS, we have some high standards of high quality football, we should not forget that! Never!
Exactly! And i dont mind their presence that much, as much as their untouched starter status.
Borriello is a classic example, there is no other chance that he would be considered a starter, in a non-Italian Juve level team!
And i dont believe that we would tolerate such mediocrity, if he wasnt Italian.
I dont mind him because he is Italian, i mind him because he is a crappy player.
The fact that he is Italian though, unfortunately comes first and we tolerate his crappy performances!
This is what i criticize.
He underperforms, he needs to be replaced, i dont mind if the player who will replace him will be Italian (Rossi) or not (Cavani),
the fact is that he must be replaced by a better player, but he is tolerated because of nationalistic reasons, thats what really matters!
Another classic example is the defense.
Italy atm lacks talents in the defence, thats pretty obvious, by taking a look on the roster of the NT.
The NT could have called any Italian player, regardless of his contract and club cost.
But the choices are so little and so limited, that the best they can do is call our men and between them and the rest, the next best choice is a DM.
This is a proof that there no options of equivalent or better quality of Italian defenders, so its time to look elsewhere for this particularly area.
But we insist on bringing Stendardos, Grossos, Molinaros, Mottas and Pelusos.
Of course, naturally the NT will pick up our pick, because that would be the lesser bad.
But why should we limit ourselves with Italian options in each and every line?
We should make some exceptions, in order to keep the balance.
I m not saying to buy the best options we can in every line and become the second Internationale, most certainly not, we have, always had and will have, an Italian core.
But since we cant find another decent Italian CB (simply because there is no other one, xcept than Nesta and maybe Rannochia),
we should make a compromise and buy a foreigner.
Buffon, Bonucci, Chiellini and Barzagli are enough to keep our Italian core, a Rolando, Dede, Vidic or whatever among them, would not turn us into Inter. Thats what i mean by keeping the balance.
But a Bocchetti, Astori or any other crappy/mediocre/overrated Italian player, who is only considered, simply because he is Italian and thats the best Italy may offer atm, wouldnt...
At any case, my point was that With Asamoah, Isla and Pogba as our first acquisitions, the days of Ital-Juve project,
(of favoring nationality as the only criteria), are finally over!
And personally i m glad for that, not because i hate Italians, but because of the restrictions, on quality, this policy has imposed to us, in the past seven years, are now finally lifted!
And for that, a big
and the board, coach or President or whoever it was the one demanded that!
I tried to make a positive notice here, but the nationalists and my haters are so desperate to attack me...
You do sound like a troll more than i do, your post contains more insults than arguments...
For seven years i have been proving how and why, our board makes decisions based on those nationalistic criteria, from early June just like now and for seven years ppl claim thats early and expect them to turn around and sign the players we need, till the very last day. But it never happens, so here we are now, re-living the same moments again...
So i better start raising this question as soon as i see the first signs. Since i see that ppl never learn...
The ussual amount we spend every year in the past 7 years is 50mil, plus cash from the sales.
We ussually spend it all on CMs and SSs and buy cheap/free squad players as defenders.
ATM, we have comitted 30mil on 2 CMs, about to commit from 15-20 on two more and are considering 15mil SSs.
The interest for above than Peluso-like defenders is still at minimum.
This is exactly how it started in the past 7 years. 7 consecutive years is not a coincidence and each and every year we were hoping for the best, we were told that this time we will favor quality over quantity, untill the very last day... but every time it was proved to be any empty promise/hope...
Exactly! And even if he does, even one of the other 2, miss a few matches, because of injuries/suspensions, we will be forced to play a youngster or an offensive wingback as CB,
lets say this happens in the CL vs Barca or in the cup final vs Napoli, or in a title decider vs Milan.
Wont we regret not having a decent back up solution, then?
For the 3 CMs, we already had more options and opted to invest further 30mil (so far at least) for depth, why forget the defence? (again?)
Our defense, not our defenders though, Bonucci is far from the best defenders in Europe, actually considering his frequent blunders and catastrophic mistakes, the fact that he was a liability for the greater part of the season and before Borriello arrives, he was with great consistency, our weakest player on the pitch,
he can hardly be considered decent, let alone good or top. So there is a lot of space for improvement there.
And although serie A is weak now and we might not need it, why shouldnt we close the quality gap between us and the Milano based teams and further improve our team, for both the domestic and the CL performances?
Even Barca or other nearly flawless team, seek out ways to improve, why not us?
Because we have won a title/decade in the decaying Italian league?
We are an international power, or at least we aspire to become yet again, we are the proud of Italy, the standard barrier, we set the bar for everyone else to follow!
This has always been the case and IMO is also a reason why the Italian championship is becoming weaker and weaker.
Because we are not there to keep those standards up there.
We are Juventus FFS, we have some high standards of high quality football, we should not forget that! Never!
Exactly! And i dont mind their presence that much, as much as their untouched starter status.
Borriello is a classic example, there is no other chance that he would be considered a starter, in a non-Italian Juve level team!
And i dont believe that we would tolerate such mediocrity, if he wasnt Italian.
I dont mind him because he is Italian, i mind him because he is a crappy player.
The fact that he is Italian though, unfortunately comes first and we tolerate his crappy performances!
This is what i criticize.
He underperforms, he needs to be replaced, i dont mind if the player who will replace him will be Italian (Rossi) or not (Cavani),
the fact is that he must be replaced by a better player, but he is tolerated because of nationalistic reasons, thats what really matters!
Another classic example is the defense.
Italy atm lacks talents in the defence, thats pretty obvious, by taking a look on the roster of the NT.
The NT could have called any Italian player, regardless of his contract and club cost.
But the choices are so little and so limited, that the best they can do is call our men and between them and the rest, the next best choice is a DM.
This is a proof that there no options of equivalent or better quality of Italian defenders, so its time to look elsewhere for this particularly area.
But we insist on bringing Stendardos, Grossos, Molinaros, Mottas and Pelusos.
Of course, naturally the NT will pick up our pick, because that would be the lesser bad.
But why should we limit ourselves with Italian options in each and every line?
We should make some exceptions, in order to keep the balance.
I m not saying to buy the best options we can in every line and become the second Internationale, most certainly not, we have, always had and will have, an Italian core.
But since we cant find another decent Italian CB (simply because there is no other one, xcept than Nesta and maybe Rannochia),
we should make a compromise and buy a foreigner.
Buffon, Bonucci, Chiellini and Barzagli are enough to keep our Italian core, a Rolando, Dede, Vidic or whatever among them, would not turn us into Inter. Thats what i mean by keeping the balance.
But a Bocchetti, Astori or any other crappy/mediocre/overrated Italian player, who is only considered, simply because he is Italian and thats the best Italy may offer atm, wouldnt...
At any case, my point was that With Asamoah, Isla and Pogba as our first acquisitions, the days of Ital-Juve project,
(of favoring nationality as the only criteria), are finally over!
And personally i m glad for that, not because i hate Italians, but because of the restrictions, on quality, this policy has imposed to us, in the past seven years, are now finally lifted!
And for that, a big
and the board, coach or President or whoever it was the one demanded that!I tried to make a positive notice here, but the nationalists and my haters are so desperate to attack me...
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