baggio

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Jun 3, 2003
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What I would like to hear from his haters are potential replacements they have in mind. What are the GM's of their choice and how familiar are they with their work? With the amount of excessive criticism they show I must think they have some better solution.
You know being a GM at a club like Juve is often said to be a very hard job. I think it also has its fair share of benefits like access to other big clubs, access to a wider pool of players, maybe even a small amount of money. For me, Marrotta has not been exceptional, more par for the course. I do think someone like Marino, Sabatini and the like would've all done what he did (as good or as bad). The only contention is, how many of them could've actually adapted to a big club mentality better than he has.

That to me has been Marrotta's weakness. I know a lot of people will disagree but he has spent too long chasing different levels of ambition than what Juve as a club have ingrained in its DNA. Those midtable ambitions condition you very differently. How you spend on quantity rather than quality, panic buys, an inability to negotiate for the more elite level of players. It's perhaps why you'll see, he has helped put a base together, but is often out of his depth when trying to make that leap of quality. I hope and pray it works out this summer for him though coz I have nothing personal against him. But every other GM in his place with basic knowledge and know-how and a network of agents and friends, could've done what he has done in building the team after having spent about 220 m in transfers over three seasons. We just don't know to what degree the other guys would damage or create for the club because itll always remain a hypothetical question. I'm sure at some point in his Juve tenure, Marrotta is going to have to spend the money he seems uncomfortable to spend right now on the bigger players. Anyone would have to. And that requires a certain mentality and approach. Maybe Marrotta will inculcate it over time if he's around. I mean that with no malice whatsoever.
 

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Marotta has done well to improve our squad but it seems he is incapable of making the step from strong to very strong or something along those lines. Marotta likes to invest in youth and has made a very competitive squad but if he doesnt bring in one of tevez/higuain/jovetic this mercato will not be as good as the last 2 mercatos
 

Cronios

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MArotta has done nothing well, how can we have such a sort memory?
Last year, right after the summer transfer, we were griefing the failure to achieve every major tarnsfer target we had.
We were onwed and ridiculized in the Melo and Giovinco deals, we have yet again fail to get a CF and yet again got a new Borriello, yet again failed to gain a starter LB/LWB, yet again failed to sell deadwood.
Again favored quantity over quality.
The title wqas never in question as long as we have Conte, maybe Conte would have won it with the Tiagos, Melos and Amauris, that would mean that Secco did a fine job then?

We should seperate the work of the transfer director and the work of the coach.
The transfer directors job ends once the transfer window closes, its up to the coach from there.
 

ZoSo

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Jul 11, 2011
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MArotta has done nothing well, how can we have such a sort memory?
Last year, right after the summer transfer, we were griefing the failure to achieve every major tarnsfer target we had.
We were onwed and ridiculized in the Melo and Giovinco deals, we have yet again fail to get a CF and yet again got a new Borriello, yet again failed to gain a starter LB/LWB, yet again failed to sell deadwood.
Again favored quantity over quality.
The title wqas never in question as long as we have Conte, maybe Conte would have won it with the Tiagos, Melos and Amauris, that would mean that Secco did a fine job then?

We should seperate the work of the transfer director and the work of the coach.
The transfer directors job ends once the transfer window closes, its up to the coach from there.
I agree 100%. Peluso + Padoin instead of one great LWB :sergio:
 

baggio

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Jun 3, 2003
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Marotta has done well to improve our squad but it seems he is incapable of making the step from strong to very strong or something along those lines. Marotta likes to invest in youth and has made a very competitive squad but if he doesnt bring in one of tevez/higuain/jovetic this mercato will not be as good as the last 2 mercatos
The last mercato was good? At the start of it we needed to cover two core positions. CF and LwB. This is what we ended up doing along with any other 'key' acquisitions I've missed out.. Lucio, Pogba, Isla, Asamoah, Giovinco......and BENDTNER. Lucio packed off in the winter. Isla is back on the market this season, and if he leaves it will be at a loss because he's not seemingly in the coach's plans. Pogba was a revelation. Asamoah, bought as a CM, was used by Conte at LwB since he wasn't provided a natural player there. Giovinco for my money has been a failure. Do we need to talk about Bendtner? We are back on the market for a CF/SS. And an LwB. I'm not a hater, but let's be real. It was not a good mercato. It's probably why Conte wants more control over the mercato decisions.
 

JuveJay

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It is, you should try it sometime. :)
Maybe if you used paragraphs it would be easier to sift through the mass of exaggeration and outright lies ;)

But please, continue along this line of absolutely no credit for the work that has been done. It's easier to separate you from those who want to discuss the real criticism of our current regime; that we haven't sufficiently improved our attack. By June 17th 2013, at least.

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ZoSo

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Jul 11, 2011
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The last mercato was good? At the start of it we needed to cover two core positions. CF and LwB. This is what we ended up doing along with any other 'key' acquisitions I've missed out.. Lucio, Pogba, Isla, Asamoah, Giovinco......and BENDTNER. Lucio packed off in the winter. Isla is back on the market this season, and if he leaves it will be at a loss because he's not seemingly in the coach's plans. Pogba was a revelation. Asamoah, bought as a CM, was used by Conte at LwB since he wasn't provided a natural player there. Giovinco for my money has been a failure. Do we need to talk about Bendtner? We are back on the market for a CF/SS. And an LwB. I'm not a hater, but let's be real. It was not a good mercato. It's probably why Conte wants more control over the mercato decisions.
I'm pretty sure we were forced into the Isla deal, otherwise they wouldn't sell Asamoah. Marotta :derp:
 
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The last mercato was good? At the start of it we needed to cover two core positions. CF and LwB. This is what we ended up doing along with any other 'key' acquisitions I've missed out.. Lucio, Pogba, Isla, Asamoah, Giovinco......and BENDTNER. Lucio packed off in the winter. Isla is back on the market this season, and if he leaves it will be at a loss because he's not seemingly in the coach's plans. Pogba was a revelation. Asamoah, bought as a CM, was used by Conte at LwB since he wasn't provided a natural player there. Giovinco for my money has been a failure. Do we need to talk about Bendtner? We are back on the market for a CF/SS. And an LwB. I'm not a hater, but let's be real. It was not a good mercato. It's probably why Conte wants more control over the mercato decisions.
we got a gem in pogba for nothing and we got a very good backup cm in asamoah, it was great i said it was good. Thats all yes I want to see the Cf but supposedly we didnt have any money just like this year. Bullshit. All im saying is Marotta has done well but I dont think we will see this Top Player or an major improvement in our attack unless we hire a different director
 

baggio

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Maybe if you used paragraphs it would be easier to sift through the mass of exaggeration and outright lies ;)

But please, continue along this line of absolutely no credit for the work that has been done. It's easier to separate you from those who want to discuss the real criticism of our current regime; that we haven't sufficiently improved our attack. By June 17th 2012, at least.
Outright lies? Haha. Id love to take your word for it. ;)

And nice little manipulation saying I don't credit him for the work he's done. When you do that, at least do it well. If you actually dint take what I say personally, like he was related to you, you'd find there was a difference between crediting him for his strengths, and differentiating that from 'He has won us two scudetti. Taken us to the CL QF'. Unfortunately, it's easier to stand up against the criticism than actually see where the distinction lies for some of the people here.

Oh look, paragraphs. Might make things simpler, as much as I doubt it. ;)
 
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Im not a fan of Marotta at all and honestly he may have got us this far but everyone can only do so much. If we can find someone better we have to replace him if not then maybe Agnelli should start to get more into the mercato
 

baggio

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we got a gem in pogba for nothing and we got a very good backup cm in asamoah, it was great i said it was good. Thats all yes I want to see the Cf but supposedly we didnt have any money just like this year. Bullshit. All im saying is Marotta has done well but I dont think we will see this Top Player or an major improvement in our attack unless we hire a different director
Yea, even the bit about not having the money, like you said is bullshit. Asamoah if considered a CM at Juve under these circumstances kinda begs the question why you'd spend 18m on a 5th choice CM? And yes, if we didn't have the money, we wouldn't chase after RvP, knowing his wages and Arsenal's asking fee. GdM said we went in late with a 30m offer for Jojo but left it too late for Fiorentina to find a replacement. But hey, clearly the society are a lot closer to the truth than DiMarzio. I would only agree with the last part of your post after the end of this mercato, though I am beginning to suspect it myself. :)
 

Vlad

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Sometimes I feell you're debating just for the sake of it.:D Anyway it's never boring on this and Marchisio's forum.
If only you could trim down your posts a bit...
 

JuveJay

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Outright lies? Haha. Id love to take your word for it. ;)

And nice little manipulation saying I don't credit him for the work he's done. When you do that, at least do it well. If you actually dint take what I say personally, like he was related to you, you'd find there was a difference between crediting him for his strengths, and differentiating that from 'He has won us two scudetti. Taken us to the CL QF'. Unfortunately, it's easier to stand up against the criticism than actually see where the distinction lies for some of the people here.

Oh look, paragraphs. Might make things simpler, as much as I doubt it. ;)
Quick, say something positive about Marotta before people stop believing you.

The personal dig, ouch. You got me. Anyway, as fun as this was I'd like to get back to talk about the real issue. It seems there are people who are willing to do that.
 

baggio

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Jun 3, 2003
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Quick, say something positive about Marotta before people stop believing you.

The personal dig, ouch. You got me. Anyway, as fun as this was I'd like to get back to talk about the real issue. It seems there are people who are willing to do that.
They stopped believing me since 17th June 2012 looks like. :D

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Perfetto signore Baggio. Bravissimo ragazzo.:D
It's just the typing speed, goddamit. :D
 
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i think Llorente will be the only improvement and if anyone we will probably bring in Diamanti. We will secure Ogbonna by overpaying for a 5th choice cb and then we will sign another versatile cm or another rwb because we dont have enough
 

JuveJay

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Im not a fan of Marotta at all and honestly he may have got us this far but everyone can only do so much. If we can find someone better we have to replace him if not then maybe Agnelli should start to get more into the mercato
I think what Marotta can be criticised for is what happens in direct talks, when you are getting down to the nitty gritty aspect with money. Maybe we've just been blown out of the water so far (definitely the case with Agüero and Van Persie), but you can make a case for what happens in negotiations, up to a point. Could someone else do it better? Maybe. A more convincing argument, more external power. Moggi had that, but now only Galliani has that.

We can't pretend that he allocates money or is in complete control of market strategy, we have several people involved above and around him and a group of shareholders. See Arsenal for a similar situation over the last few years.
 

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