Giuseppe Marotta (151 Viewers)

[frzl]

Scudetto goal

If he scored on every previous chance he was given, it wouldn't come down to that.

the same goes for every single one of our other strikers . last season as well as this season ^^

 

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[Klin]

LOL

Isla is redundant now.

 

[Cheesio]

You are back

 

[Klin]

 

[Hydde]

There are a lot of ifs and buts, but the fact is that the Cesena-goal was absolutely vital in winning the scudetto. In hindsight, all of the goals scored that season were, but there was just something about the timing of that goal. It was a bleak afternoon, we didn't look like scoring after Pirlo's penalty miss, and that goal came out of nowhere. It was the first time I really believed that we could win the scudetto (but I was a huge pessimist last season).

IMO, that Borrielo goal, and Del piero´s last magic trick against Lazio were the goals that sealed our scudetto.

 

[K.O.]

IMO, that Borrielo goal, and Del piero´s last magic trick against Lazio were the goals that sealed our scudetto.

Don't forget Matri's equalizer against Milan in San Siro. It was still early, yes but psychologically, it was huge for us to not lose that game.

 

[Hydde]

that too.

 

[Cronios]

thank you mr marotta for bringing back giovinco

this deal will remain one of the most co own epic fail deals ever.
We gave away his half for nearly nothing and then to take him back, we pay enough to make it one of the biggest serie A summer transfer deals...

Just a clause would avoid getting abused thaaat hard and would have saved us the embarrashment, now every small time serie A team, knows that they can take advantage of our managerial incompetence...

 

[Hust]

thats why co-owns are a bitch

fuck loans too

 

[Klin]

You are thaaaat wrong.

You embarrash me.

 

[Hust]

eh?

 

[JuveJay]

We gave away his half for nearly nothing

3.5 million nothings, to be prechise.

 

[Raz]

this deal will remain one of the most co own epic fail deals ever.
We gave away his half for nearly nothing and then to take him back, we pay enough to make it one of the biggest serie A summer transfer deals...

Just a clause would avoid getting abused thaaat hard and would have saved us the embarrashment, now every small time serie A team, knows that they can take advantage of our managerial incompetence...

I doubt you get the idea behind co-owns. To put it simply you let the other team invest in the player so they would be interested in his development (unlike loans where the team will use the player if it benifits them in present or simply no loan where he would just be spending his time in the stands). And if the player develops they get their return on investment and we get a player who has improved and wouldn't have had chance to improve with us.

No need to put blame on marrota because of the fact that when the deal was made Giovinco wasn't exactly a very good player.

 

[Cronios]

I doubt you get the idea behind co-owns. To put it simply you let the other team invest in the player so they would be interested in his development (unlike loans where the team will use the player if it benifits them in present or simply no loan where he would just be spending his time in the stands). And if the player develops they get their return on investment and we get a player who has improved and wouldn't have had chance to improve with us.

No need to put blame on marrota because of the fact that when the deal was made Giovinco wasn't exactly a very good player.

It was a grave,grave error of judgement to think that Giovinco was not a very good player. (only a clueless manager would have thought of that, we are talking about one of the most talented players of his generation)
He was just misused. It was THE worst possible moment of his carrier to choose making such a deal, 3,5 mil, even at his worst was hardly more than 30% of his value, we would need 3 times that cash to co own a talent of his caliber, esp back in our ItalJuve days.
And Giovinco, for this level was classy enough to become a starter, regardless of being economical investment or not, he was so much better, than the other available options,
that would consist of an irreplacable perfromance upgrade, that no coach would afford to bench.

Even at the worst case scenario,Marotta should opt to make such a deal, right after a year in a smaller team, that would have proper playing tie in his position and not exactly right after been treated like we did to him...
Far too many mistakes were made on this deal, that demonstrates how clueless Marotta is in so many managerial dimensions, we had the player and should have used the terms of our interest,
no other team, influent and powerful as much as Juve was ever abused like that before and prolly never will...

 

[Raz]

It was a grave,grave error of judgement to think that Giovinco was not a very good player. (only a clueless manager would have thought of that)
He was just misused. It was THE worst possible moment of his carrier to choose making such a deal, 3,5 mil, even at his worst was hardly more than 30% of his value, we would need 3 times that cash to co own a talent of his caliber.
And Giovinco, for this level was classy enough to become a starter, regardless of being economical investment or not, he was so much better than the other available options, that consist of an irreplacable perfromance upgrade.

So even at the owrst case scenario, he should opt to make such a deal, right after a year in a smaller team and not exactly right after been treated like we did to him...

Whatever man.

 

[JuveJay]

even at his worst was hardly more than 30% of his value

If that was the case you would think that we would be fighting off clubs to co-own him at such a bargain price. As it was only Parma were willing to take a chance on him, with a €0.5m loan and €3m co-ownership.

 

[Cronios]

If that was the case you would think that we would be fighting off clubs to co-own him at such a bargain price. As it was only Parma were willing to take a chance on him, with a €0.5m loan and €3m co-ownership.

you dont know that, just assuming by the press talk...
and even a clause that would not allow Parma to abuse us that hard, wouldnt have been a deal breaker, since the co own tag was already such a bargain.

 

[Raz]

you dont know that, just assuming by the press talk...

Don't you think if there were bigger offers or a lot of interest the price would be higher, simple supply demand stuff here, which I don't doubt even you think Marotta is competent at that.

Anyway, my last repsonse to you, since obviously you are trolling or just playing it plain dumb.

 

[JuveJay]

you dont know that, just assuming by the press talk...

Actually, the words of Parma's president Tommaso Ghirardi.

Remember the €3.5m is for half of Giovinco, so at that time he was valued at €7m. By saying that it was 30% of his then value you're essentially saying that at that point he was worth €23m, which is obviously ridiculous.

I said at the time that I thought personally he was worth €8m-€9m tops, but you have to consider the market. See above comments.

 

[Cronios]

Don't you think if there were bigger offers or a lot of interest the price would be higher, simple supply demand stuff here, which I don't doubt even you think Marotta is competent at that.

Anyway, my last repsonse to you, since obviously you are trolling or just playing it plain dumb.

Normally yes, but with a mamager as incompetent as Marotta, no, Marotta never ever managed to sell a player close to his price tag, not even half to that.
This is proven throughthough the years to be his greatest weakness and has been proved with too many players, so this was not a coincidence.

Giovinco, DC and Marchisio were able to help our team, even back in the days (in serie B) we still had Treze, DP, Camo and Neddy, they were our biggest talents, selling them off was very unwise
and he tried that with all 3 of them, which was obviously proved to be yet another mistake...

I am not trolling, it is my firm opinion since the day we were accepting the deal, before it was even signed, that this would be a very serious mistake, because his price was hugely underrated and we are open at huge danger to overspend when we will decide to buy him back.

It happened exactly as i assumed, i was yet again proved right by the history, in this case.
We lost money when we sold off his half in such a low ammount, we lost the services of the player when we needed an option of creativity (and forced to waste even more buying temporary replacements) and then again lost too much cash to get his half back, because they can overrate him as much as they want, since there was no buy back clause.

I warned about each aspect of this deal, in this very forum, so this cannot be denied, you could accuse me of trolling for predicting this fiasko back then, but not after it happened exactly how i predicted...
but i guess that you never do pay attention to constructive criticism, you just think that every point of criticism so happens for the shake of it... and not because the ones who bother to criticise, only does it because he actually loves this team and wants the best for her, rather than troll his fellow supporters.

I only wanted us to prevent that disaster from heppening, it was so predictable and if i could see this, so should a man been payed for this job...
but he failed, yet again, so is he a traitor, or just stupid? I dont know, this remains to be seen...

The point is that our team suffers because of this, all it was needed was a buy back clause.