Giuseppe Marotta (69 Viewers)

[Bianconero_Aus]

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Poor child, you missed the point again.
We are not discussing if Matri's, Giaccherini's, Pepe's, Vucinic's, Giovinco's or etc
dribbles are fancy or not, this is smth subjective.
The point is that none of them is a prolific finisher and never was.
It was a mistake that Marotta has signed them for that, a mistake we are paying with the lack of finishing that haunts and becomes more serious, the more competitive matches we play.

So they are all supporting strikers, as their primary characteristics helps them to offer support, rather than score/finish.
The main reason the common fan, likes about the SSs, is dribbling, with AM's, they usually the best bribblers of the team and the common fans, who care lttle about technical attributes, they tend to love them the most because of that.
I dont care which particular trait clicks for everyone on any of players, i do care about the lack of finishing, that has been systematically neglected, as a priority, while picking forwards.

So ill give that fancy dribble, or whatever reason they like those SSs, because it would be a meaningless discussion to try and convince them, that their touch, run, fickle, pass, lob etc, is not as fancy and what not.
I am accepting for gtanted that, not to waste time with their fans, just to focus on the real dea, the finishing and goals is smth that can be measured with numbers.
It is not subjective, it is smth can be measured!

Matri surely lacks that, Marotta has hired for that, with a hefty overrated a ammount i may add,
with an ammount our direct competitors secured far more competitive finishers.
So the fault lies on Marotta at any case, as he has made an error in judgement.

That was imo clear, since the day he has signed Matri and this is what i criticised.
He was young, impressive amoung the fans for whatever reason, but he never has grown into the finisher Marotta has hoped.
And how did he fixed that mistake? With Vucinic. Again nice player, fancy dribbler or not, but NOT a finisher.
And how does he repairs that second mistake? With borrierofl and then with Bendtner and so on and which spot gets the premium part of our budget in the mean time, the supporting strikers and CMs...

This year he had no excuses, we were campions, in CL, very promising, at best financial state, he had a full summer to find one, more than 50mil (sum commited on Asamoah, Isla and Giovinco alone)
he has accepted the mistakes of the past and declared that our primary target is a prolific finisher.
And what did he do? He have commited 40mil on two more sub midfielders, 10 mil to get our SS back, because he didnt add a bay back clause and only loaned Bendtner...

Really, what more proof of incompetence to you ask??

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[JuveJay]

I love how used those pictures

Do you think someone might actually read it now?

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Do you think someone might actually read it now?

the chances have increased

 

[Hængebøffer]

I'm sorry I don't get it.

Sorry, I meant is*.
I think I confuse you with someone else. All the name changes ffs.

 

[Salvatore]

Keep hearing that salary argument over and over again in this forum, seriously what's the difference between paying 2-4 mil for each of our 6 attackers (Martinez included) which will take the total to around 15-20 mil on average or instead paying 5-7 mil for 3 top attackers ?

I work with numbers all my life and I fail to understand your guys argument about how we can afford to pay to those 6 players yet we can't pay that "same amount" to 3 or even 2 players ?

Combined, Matri, Quagliarella, Giovinco, Vučinić and Martínez were purchased over a period of 2 years, in four different transfer windows. It isn't as simple as going back in time and collecting all the money from those deals to spend on one player. You'd have to start cutting players from the transfer windows to get one name. Up to you whether you prefer that or not.

And you've mentioned Man City in your previous posts, so failing to recognise the lack of competitiveness Juventus has with them (or quite a few big clubs) regarding salary is avoiding a lot here.

You didn't provide any evidence for Silva and Tévez costing "50m" alone in transfer fees, which I'm fairly certain is wrong. Salary included takes them both miles above what Juventus is paying. You can include Agüero in that as well.

 

[Jem83]

Sorry, I meant is*.
I think I confuse you with someone else. All the name changes ffs.

You apologized.

According to section 531 of the Society's penile code, you will not receive any sanctions.

You have received automatic legal councelling from The Society's chamber of Law.
You will be billed $ 25 000 (Cr$ 50 000) for this service.

 

[Klin]

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

You apologized.

According to section 531 of the Society's penile code, you will not receive any sanctions.

You have received automatic legal councelling from The Society's chamber of Law.
You will be billed $ 25 000 (Cr$ 50 000) for this service.

Classic Jem

 

[only-juve]

I think you're using figures in Euros for Juve players, and Pound Sterling for City players. In Euros:


Martinez €12m
Quagliarella €15m
Matri €18m
Giovinco €7.5m
Vucinic €15m

Total: €67.5m

Salaries before tax

Martinez 4 x €3m = €12m
Quagliarella 5 x €3m = €15m
Matri 6.5 x €3m = €19.5m
Giovinco 3 x €2.8m = €8.4m
Vucinic 4 x €5m = €20m

Total: €74.9m

I've said that we paid "around 70 mil euros" fees on our attackers that's almost the same figure you have up there which is 67.5 mil (just 2.5 mil short).

I've said we're paying between 2-4 mil on salaries And your numbers pretty much again confirms that.

Agüero €45m
Silva €30m
Tevez €47m

Total: €122m

For the Tevez part:

After protracted negotiations, Tévez signed a five-year contract with Manchester United's cross-town rivals, Manchester City, after a medical on 14 July 2009.[55] On 12 September, it was claimed that the transfer fee was £47million, a British transfer record, but this was later denied by both Manchester City and Media Sports Investments

From where I quote Tevez fee it says that City paid 30 mil euros not 47 BP.

Salaries before tax

Agüero 5 x €13m = €65m
Silva 4 x €8.5m = €34m
Tevez 5 x €10.75m = €53.75m

Total: €152.75m

Tevez salary could be as well wrong here.

Combined, Matri, Quagliarella, Giovinco, Vučinić and Martínez were purchased over a period of 2 years, in four different transfer windows. It isn't as simple as going back in time and collecting all the money from those deals to spend on one player. You'd have to start cutting players from the transfer windows to get one name. Up to you whether you prefer that or not.

And you've mentioned Man City in your previous posts, so failing to recognise the lack of competitiveness Juventus has with them (or quite a few big clubs) regarding salary is avoiding a lot here.

You didn't provide any evidence for Silva and Tévez costing "50m" alone in transfer fees, which I'm fairly certain is wrong. Salary included takes them both miles above what Juventus is paying. You can include Agüero in that as well.

Pretty much what I've said to Juvejay up there, those were the figures that I've found on various websites.

 

[JuveJay]

I've said that we paid "around 70 mil euros" fees on our attackers that's almost the same figure you have up there which is 67.5 mil (just 2.5 mil short).

I've said we're paying between 2-4 mil on salaries And your numbers pretty much again confirms that.

I didn't contest that.

For the Tevez part:

From where I quote Tevez fee it says that City paid 30 mil euros not 47 BP.

Read again, I typed €47m, not £47m. After a bit of research if you put the figure down to £40m (€47m at the time) you could consider it a lower estimate, when you exclude all messy fees dealing with the company who owned him. So I did you a favour there.

Tevez salary could be as well wrong here.

Change that into Euros.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

JuveJay pulling out the motherfuckin' payslips and shit, I like where he's going in this thread

 

[Jem83]

Jay got this

 

[.zero]

You apologized.

According to section 531 of the Society's penile code, you will not receive any sanctions.

You have received automatic legal councelling from The Society's chamber of Law.
You will be billed $ 25 000 (Cr$ 50 000) for this service.

 

[Fake Melo]

Top player

 

[Enron]

Told you Juve don't have a scoring problem.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Told you Juve don't have a scoring problem.

But we have an efficiency problem

 

[Salvo]

 

[Tommy]

 

[Klin]

Grazie Beppe.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

I bow down towards Turin and pray to him.