Giuseppe Marotta (74 Viewers)

[JuveJay]

This team as it is right now will not win the cl, so he's wrong to say there's very little he can add to better the team.

It's the same discussion, talking about not being able to buy ready made €30m players.

 

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[The Arif]

Marrotta said it himself, that he regrets not closing RVP, and the reason given for that was that the club didn't want to pay 30m for a player in the last year of his contract. That was the reason why the deal didn't close. Llorente may have coated 36m in his buyout clause, but a guy like Dzeko wouldve come for less. Much less. If only we kept the trail going. Unfortunately, once we sniffed out the Llorente situation, that was the wise opportunity Marrotta is talking about. There was no excuse to end up with Bendtner who was not a top player but a standby. That situation could and should have been avoided, but Marrotta's inabilities had a lot to do with our last minute tussles with clubs like the mighty Siena.

And people can say what they want about our depth, competency, level of quality, but this year, we'll see where the club and Marrotta really stand. A lot of it according to me, hinges on the fact that he failed on his primary task.

About RvP, to quote you "the club didn't want to pay 30m for a player in the last year of his contract". So that's Marotta's fault, really. And yes, I agree Dzeko costs less than what Bilbao asked for Llorente. But was Dzeko avaiable? I think not. I agree about Bendtner not being a top player, but it's not like we splashed the cash to sign him, since he came on loan. We needed a 5th striker, so Bendtner being here on loan is better than nothing at all.

 

[baggio]

All I am reading so far is 'ok, we don't have the money to pay those fees/wages, but we have to'.

Its a vicious cycle really. You want to win a continental title, you're going to have to break into the league of the big boys on their terms. Consider the knock on effect, because an investment like the one we are talking about more often than not ends up paying for itself.

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About RvP, to quote you "the club didn't want to pay 30m for a player in the last year of his contract". So that's Marotta's fault, really. And yes, I agree Dzeko costs less than what Bilbao asked for Llorente. But was Dzeko avaiable? I think not. I agree about Bendtner not being a top player, but it's not like we splashed the cash to sign him, since he came on loan. We needed a 5th striker, so Bendtner being here on loan is better than nothing at all.

But 'the club ' did have 30m for Jovetic?!? Of course, Dzeko was available. Every player has a price. Shitty even put a price on him. He himself was willing to take a wage cut, but instead Marrotta thought hed get Llorente for cheap. Thats why we lost out. You have to know how to negotiate. Marrotta doesn't know how to do that because he has spent far too long in mid table clubs where the demands and ambitions are different. As are the mercato spend patterns. I don't remember Juve ever loaning, co-loaning, co-owning players in their history the way they have these past three years. Bendtner being here on loan, is like Borriello on loan in Jan last year. The only thing common to the both of those deals is Marrotta. We have bought/loaned 30 plus players in the last 3 years of mercato dealings. That's not how big clubs function to begin with, whether the team needs an overhaul or not.

 

[Cheesio]

Its a vicious cycle really. You want to win a continental title, you're going to have to break into the league of the big boys on their terms. Consider the knock on effect, because an investment like the one we are talking about more often than not ends up paying for itself.

Exactly, We won't be able to win in Europe unless we are ready to spend and spend big for a cuople of WC players.
Marotta saying that CL is the first source of income, so if he wants to leave a mark in this competition and earn all the benefits from participating in it, we should enter aiming to win and reinforce the team in right way in order to be able to compete with the best.

 

[The Arif]

Its a vicious cycle really. You want to win a continental title, you're going to have to break into the league of the big boys on their terms. Consider the knock on effect, because an investment like the one we are talking about more often than not ends up paying for itself.

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But 'the club ' did have 30m for Jovetic?!? Of course, Dzeko was available. Every player has a price. You have to know how to negotiate. Marrotta doesn't know how to do that because he has spent far too long in mid table clubs where the demands and ambitions are different. As our the mercato spend patterns. I don't remember Juve ever loaning, co-loaning players in their history the way they have these past three years. Bendtner being here on loan, is like Borriello on loan in Jan last year. The only thing common to the both of those deals is Marrotta.

Yeah, every player has a price. But that doesn't mean the price is within our reach. So he wasn't really 'avaiable' when you look at it. And if we would've gotten Jovetic, he would've come here on a way lower wages than the likes of Dzeko and RvP.

 

[baggio]

Yeah, every player has a price. But that doesn't mean the price is within our reach. So he wasn't really 'avaiable' when you look at it. And if we would've gotten Jovetic, he would've come here on a way lower wages than the likes of Dzeko and RvP.

Look, it's really a very simple argument when you talk of players of a certain level. They attract other big names, they attract fan following, they bring people to the stadiums, they sell merchandise. In essence they pay a part of their purchase price if not the whole sum. Do you think Cristiano Ronaldo is a liability for Real?! RVP would have a similar effect on Juve. And personally, I'm not even the type of guy who likes having a team of prima donnas. I'd much rather we create stars like we used to back in the day. But since Calciopoli, the balance of power has shifted. Economies have tilted, and football is actually going to be a lot better after FFP kicks in truly, but up until that time if we come out and say we wanna boss Europe, then we got to realise we aren't the juve of old. We are playing catch up, amd to bridge that gap, we need the type of player to launch us into europe'a conscience on and off the pitch. And that player is going to come at a price in the current climate. It's very unfortunate, but it's true. And till we don't break the bank or figure out our priorities, we need to stop creating and living off the bs we are fed through these interviews. I appreciate Marrotta's honesty, but I'd have appreciated it more had he not gone hammer and tongs about a top player since his arrival here and not had us end up with Bendtner and Borriello. He's the one who got rid of Trezeguet and in three years hasn't been able to suitably replace him. If that isn't a failure I dunno what is.

 

[Nzoric]

CL is a source of income, but our numbers are still in the red. Expect our current transfer strategy to repeat itself atleast for a couple of years. Agnelli has a good strategy of fiscal responsibility over large spending. I personally think we have a team that is worth much more than what we actually payed for it, a new stadium, champions league and 46 league games unbeaten. If we can keep up those results with our current mercatto strategy then it's boarderline witchcraft.

 

[baggio]

CL is a source of income, but our numbers are still in the red. Expect our current transfer strategy to repeat itself atleast for a couple of years. Agnelli has a good strategy of fiscal responsibility over large spending. I personally think we have a team that is worth much more than what we actually payed for it, a new stadium, champions league and 46 league games unbeaten. If we can keep up those results with our current mercatto strategy then it's boarderline witchcraft.

That's where the contradiction lies really. This team holds appreciated value, but the appreciation is inflated because of the season we just had. These players make for a great unit together, but despite the unit, there is no reference point in the final third. And when you lack that, you lack a lot more than people may otherwise perceive. The CL is a very valuable source of income, and to be a part of it requires a well rounded level of investment. Including, the kind of marquee signings that keep you in the game when it comes to the commercial aspect thats become bigger than the game itself.

 

[The Arif]

Look, it's really a very simple argument when you talk of players of a certain level. They attract other big names, they attract fan following, they bring people to the stadiums, they sell merchandise. In essence they pay a part of their purchase price if not the whole sum. Do you think Cristiano Ronaldo is a liability for Real?! RVP would have a similar effect on Juve. And personally, I'm not even the type of guy who likes having a team of prima donnas. I'd much rather we create stars like we used to back in the day. But since Calciopoli, the balance of power has shifted. Economies have tilted, and football is actually going to be a lot better after FFP kicks in truly, but up until that time if we come out and say we wanna boss Europe, then we got to realise we aren't the juve of old. We are playing catch up, amd to bridge that gap, we need the type of player to launch us into europe'a conscience on and off the pitch. And that player is going to come at a price in the current climate. It's very unfortunate, but it's true. And till we don't break the bank or figure out our priorities, we need to stop creating and living off the bs we are fed through these interviews. I appreciate Marrotta's honesty, but I'd have appreciated it more had he not gone hammer and tongs about a top player since his arrival here and not had us end up with Bendtner and Borriello. He's the one who got rid of Trezeguet and in three years hasn't been able to suitably replace him. If that isn't a failure I dunno what is.

I understand all of that, really. The point is that you can't spend more cash than what you have. That's the whole point. Italian football is in decline, and it's close to impossible to attract big names right now. You even see the likes of Inter and Milan (who have/had massive wage bill) trying to reduce their wages. It's just the way it is, really, and we have to accept the reality. Juve (or any other italian team) for the coming years at least, will not pay crazy wages when their biggest wage bill at the club currently is 5mill. And to attract top players, you're gonna have to double that wage. I never said it won't pay off if we sign some top player, because it will, but Italian clubs in general don't have the luxury to take such a 'gamble'.

 

[baggio]

I understand all of that, really. The point is that you can't spend more cash than what you have. That's the whole point. Italian football is in decline, and it's close to impossible to attract big names right now. You even see the likes of Inter and Milan (who have/had massive wage bill) trying to reduce their wages. It's just the way it is, really, and we have to accept the reality. Juve (or any other italian team) for the coming years at least, will not pay crazy wages when their biggest wage bill at the club currently is 5mill. And to attract top players, you're gonna have to double that wage. I never said it won't pay off if we sign some top player, because it will, but Italian clubs in general don't have the luxury to take such a 'gamble'.

It would be wrong to club Juve with other Italian clubs. Getting our own stadium has put us so far ahead of these guys that it's almost like we are fiscally ahead of them by about 5 years really. You're absolutely right bout Italian clubs on the whole, but juve no longer fits that stereotype and to imagine that we are only at 60 pct of the project, you know at its going to make the club self sustaining on a whole new level. My point is something else. This investment that we are debating is going to have to be made sooner or later. Given the season we had, and the fact that we on our one acknowledged having money to spend, and seeing the amount we have spent in the last three seasons, with help from our parent comoany. There is simply no excuse to have Bendtner on our books after all of that. None at all. The failure rests purely on Marrotta's shoulders for that. At least as far as I'm concerned and that may actually be why Conte's new contract is going to give him the last word on the transfer market. That's what they're saying anyway.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Like Merda Noms said, it's gonna probably take a few more seasons of constant CL Football (and obviously revenue) for us to even think about attracting the "top stars" in football. Even then, most players don't find Serie A as attractive as the EPL or La Liga anymore, and that's probably going to be the case for many more years. I think we should just focus on youth development, and spending wisely on not just star players to increase our profile, but players who fit the coaches demands and who can give us the best bang for buck.

 

[Nzoric]

That's where the contradiction lies really. This team holds appreciated value, but the appreciation is inflated because of the season we just had. These players make for a great unit together, but despite the unit, there is no reference point in the final third. And when you lack that, you lack a lot more than people may otherwise perceive. The CL is a very valuable source of income, and to be a part of it requires a well rounded level of investment. Including, the kind of marquee signings that keep you in the game when it comes to the commercial aspect thats become bigger than the game itself.

Of course the value of the team rises when you're unbeaten for 46 games straight. Marchisio stepped into the big scene, he always had potential but he proved to be a clutch player last season. Pirlo's resurgence, Vidal's first season of world class displays. Buffon finding his form again, same with Barzagli. I know it's far fetched, but pundits in Denmark have us as favorites for a semi-final spot in CHL, that's how much people value our team. If we can get that far in the chl using this formula for two years, why not walk the line and see where it can bring us in the future?

 

[The Arif]

It would be wrong to club Juve with other Italian clubs. Getting our own stadium has put us so far ahead of these guys that it's almost like we are fiscally ahead of them by about 5 years really. You're absolutely right bout Italian clubs on the whole, but juve no longer fits that stereotype and to imagine that we are only at 60 pct of the project, you know at its going to make the club self sustaining on a whole new level. My point is something else. This investment that we are debating is going to have to be made sooner or later. Given the season we had, and the fact that we on our one acknowledged having money to spend, and seeing the amount we have spent in the last three seasons, with help from our parent comoany. There is simply no excuse to have Bendtner on our books after all of that. None at all. The failure rests purely on Marrotta's shoulders for that. At least as far as I'm concerned and that may actually be why Conte's new contract is going to give him the last word on the transfer market. That's what they're saying anyway.

We are not totally uncomparable with other italian clubs either. Look at Inter, for example, and how much they benefited from Calciopoli and all of that. They won title after title, and on top of that, they won the treble. That's pure attraction for top players if you ask me. And look at what happened to them after that. The problem is deeper than you make it out to be. It's not just a sporting problem, but more of an economical problem here. And Italian clubs will never be able to pay the wages like EPL or La Liga clubs do, unless they sell some or all the shares to rich Sheikhs or something.

 

[Nzoric]

@The Arif

Or if the Italian clubs change the entire infrastructure behind the clubs. Much like we're doing, self-owned stadium, museums etc.

 

[baggio]

Like Merda Noms said, it's gonna probably take a few more seasons of constant CL Football (and obviously revenue) for us to even think about attracting the "top stars" in football. Even then, most players don't find Serie A as attractive as the EPL or La Liga anymore, and that's probably going to be the case for many more years. I think we should just focus on youth development, and spending wisely on not just star players to increase our profile, but players who fit the coaches demands and who can give us the best bang for buck.

At any point in the above mentioned cycle, you're still going to be paying through your nose to bring the top player or that category of player. Also, increasing our profile is going to soon become as important as owning our own stadium, because if you really want to leverage a Juve town, you're going to have to have an appeal that goes beyond Italy. A top player is a multifaceted opportunity for the stage the club is at currently.

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@The Arif

Or if the Italian clubs change the entire infrastructure behind the clubs. Much like we're doing, self-owned stadium, museums etc.

They'll be forced to, but they're at least half a decade behind us.

 

[The Arif]

@The Arif

Or if the Italian clubs change the entire infrastructure behind the clubs. Much like we're doing, self-owned stadium, museums etc.

Yes, but it will take years until most of Italian clubs get their own stadiums.

 

[Nzoric]

At any point in the above mentioned cycle, you're still going to be paying through your nose to bring the top player or that category of player. Also, increasing our profile is going to soon become as important as owning our own stadium, because if you really want to leverage a Juve town, you're going to have to have an appeal that goes beyond Italy. A top player is a multifaceted opportunity for the stage the club is at currently.

But what do you want from our management? We all agree that a top profile player should arrive when the possibility shows itself. Look at what happened to Milan, they spent like crazy to get their club out of the latest slump, now the stars left them and Milan do not have money to make any significant purchases because Ibra's and Silva's wages drained them dry for the past years. If you want a top profile player you have to pay, it's not so much the 30/40/50m transfer fee, I'm sure we could manage that. It's more the 10m / year wages and that you would destabilize the budget by allowing one player to do so. What keeps the likes of Arturo and Chiellini from demanding the same? We simply can't do that, yet.

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Yes, but it will take years until most of Italian clubs get their own stadiums.

Definitely, but the time might come when we can compete with the english again, soon... might be stretching it though

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Yes, but it will take years until most of Italian clubs get their own stadiums.

Definitely, but the time might come when we can compete with the english again, soon... might be stretching it though

 

[Zacheryah]

Baggio, first of all i'm glad you see that marotta couldnt spend outside his budged.

next, what was torrez real value at pool ? perhaps 50 mil
chelsea want to buy, pool didnt want to sell
ended up beeing sold for 90 mil

If the club doesnt want to sell, they'll likely part with 150%-200% of the players actual market value.

dzeko, would be worth 20-25 mil, but city didnt wanna sell, so no way they'd accept under 40 mil,wich they would have immediatly spend on rvp

rvp, was allways impossibru, with that sick wage of him, and man utd took a gamble, because they are allowed to have 700+mil dept, and got a gigantic revenue.

mer de noms was spot on. we need seasons like this, increasing our profile, winning or seconding scudetto's, getting group stages and possibly beyond.


our finances are in the red, we allready took risks and overspend to rehaul this team.

=>buy players for "the right price" that the coach needs, and keep signing promising players, to increase the level of our youngsters by a great deal, with an eye of possible integration in the first team one day.

 

[Cheesio]

Baggio, first of all i'm glad you see that marotta couldnt spend outside his budged.

next, what was torrez real value at pool ? perhaps 50 mil
chelsea want to buy, pool didnt want to sell
ended up beeing sold for 90 mil.

 

[Zacheryah]

Definitely, but the time might come when we can compete with the english again, soon... might be stretching it though

Bayeren munchen.

For a decade their competition was really average, apart from munchen, on the championsleague level where it matters

dortmund at the end of the 90ties once
leverkusen around 2000, then nothing xcept for bayern

They managed to keep up because of good signings for the right price, and their massive commercial deals.


Currently Juventus is the only point of referrence for italian football in europe. we are the "unbeaten champions", the azurri is "mostly juventus"

napoli "isnt even in cl", milan "is considered crap after the sales by every guy that knows a football is round", inter "has been crap since mou left"

If we can continue what we do, we can reach so many italians worldwide, who see us as the only competitive italian team left.


we have quite the grow margain, and with good financial management and excellent yought like pogba, like marchisio was (currently rated 87 in fifa13), like verratti allmost was. we can close the gab