[GER] Bundesliga 2014/2015 (13 Viewers)

[Fred]

I can't believe we have guardiola fanboys here.
Ancelotti is better.

I would place Ancelotti and Mourinho above Pep, who took a well oiled machine in Bayern last season and screwed up it.

Both great managers, you can make a case for them. IMHO Pep is better than both, and by the time he retires I'm pretty sure he'd be the more decorated manager.

He's not a revolutionary. Calm down.

Of course he is, he changed the way the best Spanish NT in history played, he has also indirectly affected the way the German NT plays. He's created a brand of football, that is very much associated with him, and his idea of playing with a false #9 while not easily applied, is revolutionary. He is also the best coach in Barcelona's history.

I believe he's a revolutionary manager; his ideas have had an impact on every country he coaches in. I'm pretty sure by the time he retires he'll go down as one of the best in history. Instead of hating, you guys should be grateful you were around in his era.

Why is Fred trolling?

Has he lost a bet, or something?

You can dismiss it as trolling, that way you can run away from making a counter argument. Its a results business; Pep gets you results.

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Guzzle a bottle of Vodka while being fucked by a horse.

I don't expect people to answer that question seriously. Because it forces you to create a reasonable scenario upon which you'll admit Pep is a good coach, for example you might say if he wins the CL with Bayern, then I'll consider him a great coach. But then deep down inside, most of you guys know he'll probably win a CL with Bayern sooner or later(assuming he coaches them for the next couple of years at least).

 

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[Vlad]

Top managers don't lose CL semis 1-5 on their turf, simple as that. He has certain style of football, but it is becoming obsolete. In Europe, with his current tiki-taka bs tactics we will see more of his failures in years to come.

German NT started playing much better and eventually won the WC once they discarded his methods and returned to more direct approach in their games.

Pep cannot be mentioned in the same line as Carlo or Mou, both are vastly superior managers and more flexible in their methods, coaches capable of introducing more changes in their game, and evolve as the time goes by.

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Spalleti introduced false nine with Totti way before Pep and I'm pretty sure if we go further back we'll find even more managers.

As for him as a character he's the most disgusting cunt that has ever lived, phony. Nothing to be grateful for.

 

[Bianconero81]

I don't expect people to answer that question seriously. Because it forces you to create a reasonable scenario upon which you'll admit Pep is a good coach, for example you might say if he wins the CL with Bayern, then I'll consider him a great coach. But then deep down inside, most of you guys know he'll probably win a CL with Bayern sooner or later(assuming he coaches them for the next couple of years at least).

Why r u so butt hurt when it comes to Pep? You are defending him as if he is your father.

I don't like the way he sets up his team; his Bayern lack drive and motivation. They may have won the Bundesliga in record fashion, but they looked out of their element in the CL, and were cruelly exposed by Madrid.

Pep needs to win and do consistently well outside of his comfort zone (aka Barcelona) for me to consider him a truly great coach.

Mourinho and Ancelotti have both managed to do so, and for that reason, I consider them better coaches.

 

[Fred]

Top managers don't lose CL semis 1-5 on their turf, simple as that. He has certain style of football, but it is becoming obsolete. In Europe, with his current tiki-taka bs tactics we will see more of his failures in years to come.

German NT started playing much better and eventually won the WC once they discarded his methods and returned to more direct approach in their games.

Pep cannot be mentioned in the same line as Carlo or Mou, both are vastly superior managers and more flexible in their methods, coaches capable of introducing more changes in their game, and evolve as the time goes by.

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As for the false nine Spaletti used Totti as one way before Pep and I'm pretty sure if we go further back we'll find even more managers.

As for him as a character he's the most disgusting cunt that has ever lived, phony.

I can play this game too.

Top managers don't take one of the strongest Milan sides, and lose 4-0 to Deportivo after winning the first leg 4-1.
Top managers don't manage teams like Chelsea, PSG, Real Madrid, Juventus and Milan for 15+ years and only manage to win 3 league titles.

Top managers don't lose their first classico 5-0 by the very same manager you call inflexible and mediocre.
Top managers don't get spanked at their own turf time and time again by inflexible, mediocre managers who play obsolete football and have phony characters.
Top managers don't go two straight seasons winning absolutely zero trophies despite having teams that cost 300-400M

You're right about the false 9, Spaletti and Totti btw, completely forgot about that; I loved that Roma team, one of the most entertaining sides I've watched in recent memory.

So you say that Pep's style of football is becoming obsolete and we will see him fail for years to come. My question to you is; what if he wins another CL with his obsolete tiki taka tactics, will you admit you're wrong?

 

[Vlad]

So you say that Pep's style of football is becoming obsolete and we will see him fail for years to come. My question to you is; what if he wins another CL with his obsolete tiki taka tactics, will you admit you're wrong?

Counter question, if he doesn't or if he gets spanked again will you admit that his methods are obsolete?

That fact is he got amazing Bayern side, fantastic team to watch, full of great players, very direct in the final 3rd and has managed to turn them into unbearable, boring side, he incapacitated them. He's like a plague.

 

[j0ker]

You can dismiss it as trolling, that way you can run away from making a counter argument. Its a results business; Pep gets you results.

I remember the time when you weren't a "fan boy".

 

[JCK]

Of course he is, he changed the way the best Spanish NT in history played, he has also indirectly affected the way the German NT plays. He's created a brand of football, that is very much associated with him, and his idea of playing with a false #9 while not easily applied, is revolutionary. He is also the best coach in Barcelona's history.

That's not saying much at all though considering that barca were the biggest chokers before 2006. They were always a star studded team that fails year in year out. Talking about history ..... 8 years!!

 

[Fred]

Counter question, if he doesn't or if he gets spanked again will you admit that his methods are obsolete?

That fact is he got amazing Bayern side, fantastic team to watch, full of great players, very direct in the final 3rd and has managed to turn them into unbearable, boring side, he incapacitated them. He's like a plague.

But your question is different, because what if he continually takes Bayern to the final stages and loses to teams like Real or Barcelona, theres no shame in that. There are a million ways he could fail to win the CL, so I can't answer that question conclusively.

Tiki taka when its neutralized by a team who know how to stop it, becomes nothing but defenders passing it sideways aimlessly, but at its very best, it is one pof the most entertaining playing styles for me.

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I remember the time when you weren't a "fan boy".

Everybody's a fanboy of someone, does not take anything away from my arguments though.

 

[frzl]

martinez injury confirmed, out for 6 months (at least i guess?)

 

[Fred]

That's not saying much at all though considering that barca were the biggest chokers before 2006. They were always a star studded team that fails year in year out. Talking about history ..... 8 years!!

The late eighties, early nineties - the Cruyff era was a largely successful one for Barca too.

 

[JCK]

The late eighties, early nineties - the Cruyff era was a largely successful one for Barca too.

Domestically maybe but regionally they were the chokers of the chokers.

 

[Red]

Of course he is, he changed the way the best Spanish NT in history played, he has also indirectly affected the way the German NT plays. He's created a brand of football, that is very much associated with him, and his idea of playing with a false #9 while not easily applied, is revolutionary. He is also the best coach in Barcelona's history.

I believe he's a revolutionary manager; his ideas have had an impact on every country he coaches in. I'm pretty sure by the time he retires he'll go down as one of the best in history. Instead of hating, you guys should be grateful you were around in his era.

Looking purely at the 'revolutionary' bit, as I'm not really interested in getting into a debate about how good a coach Guardiola is:

I don't think he's done anything significant enough to be considered revolutionary.

He's altered things a little, but everything he has done, that I can think of, is merely another step along from what someone else was already doing.

He's evolutionary in my book.

He's tinkered with Total Football, but that hd already been evolving for almost 40 years.

He's used a 'false nine', but that concept had been around for quite a while even if no-one had bothered to put a label on it, but that goes back in some form at least as far as Puskas's Hungary team and we've seen Totti in that role more recently.

The biggest thing I can think of Guardiola doing to change football is the really extreme emphasis on keeping possession. I can't think of anyone else who has come close to trying to have as much possession as Guardiola teams do.

And I believe that to be a development that is not good for football.

Anyway, no-one has played like Guardiola, as no-one had put those pre-existing concepts together in the way he has, but I don't think he's actually come up with anything of sufficient originality to be considered 'revolutionary'.

Then again, I think almost nothing in football (or the world in general) is revolutionary - it's almost invariably a case of just developing someone else's idea a little further or adjusting it to suit yourself.

 

[Emmet]

Pep wasn't a revolutionary, the last modern revolutionary was Sacchi away back in the late 80's.

Pep just took his ideas from Cruyff but implemented way more possession than his mentor's Dream Team side of the early '90s.

 

[MikeM]

Of course he is, he changed the way the best Spanish NT in history played, he has also indirectly affected the way the German NT plays. He's created a brand of football, that is very much associated with him, and his idea of playing with a false #9 while not easily applied, is revolutionary. He is also the best coach in Barcelona's history.

I believe he's a revolutionary manager; his ideas have had an impact on every country he coaches in. I'm pretty sure by the time he retires he'll go down as one of the best in history. Instead of hating, you guys should be grateful you were around in his era.

You've got to be joking. The false 9 is not revolutionary. Luciano Spalletti was using Totti there before Pep was even coaching! Spalletti was using the "4-6-0" almost 10 years ago.

But I guess I forgot Serie A doesn't exist anymore lol.

 

[Eddy]

You've got to be joking. The false 9 is not revolutionary. Luciano Spalletti was using Totti there before Pep was even coaching! Spalletti was using the "4-6-0" almost 10 years ago.

But I guess I forgot Serie A doesn't exist anymore lol.

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/03/05/teams-of-the-decade-5-roma-2007/

 

[ALC]

People saying Ancelotti is better than Guardiola are the ones trolling imo. Like the teams he coached weren't the most stacked in the world at the time? And people blame Guardiola for being inflexible. Look at what Ancelotti did with Juve.

He has one more Champions League than Guardiola and a shitload more years of experience. Guardiola will surpass his pig looking face in trophies. And I hate Guardiola.

 

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[Vlad]

You do know what was wrong with Juve at that time and the reason why Ancelotti was relativelly unsuccessful?

For the rest of that post, oh boy...

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

People saying Ancelotti is better than Guardiola are the ones trolling imo. Like the teams he coached weren't the most stacked in the world at the time? And people blame Guardiola for being inflexible. Look at what Ancelotti did with Juve.

He has one more Champions League than Guardiola and a shitload more years of experience. Guardiola will surpass his pig looking face in trophies. And I hate Guardiola.

Ancelotti is one of the most overrated managers in history

 

[Osman]

Guardiola is better coach then Ancelotti so far despite being the younger one.