General Religion & Philosophy Discussion Thread (22 Viewers)

[JuveJay]

It's belief.

Belief based on revelation and backed up by rational thinking, but it of course cannot be conclusively proved philosophically or scientifically, as these have their own inherent limitations, as does the human intellect, it can however be strongly inferred when one looks at the evidence with humility.

Hmmm.

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God = figment of imagination

Did you read this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23672150

It's what I've considered most likely all along. If you consider what the brain can do on drugs or in states of extreme then when it is about to die, with some individuals not clinically dead you could get a lot of activity. I can see why it would be quite brilliant for those who return.

 

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Hmmm.

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Did you read this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23672150

It's what I've considered most likely all along. If you consider what the brain can do on drugs or in states of extreme then when it is about to die, with some individuals not clinically dead you could get a lot of activity. I can see why it would be quite brilliant for those who return.

Everyone has a belief - whether they know it or not.

Some believe that science is the ultimate truth, the be all and end all. Others don't subscribe to this paradigm and believe that view is limited.

 

[Maddy]

Everyone has a belief - whether they know it or not.

Nope

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Did you read this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23672150

It's what I've considered most likely all along. If you consider what the brain can do on drugs or in states of extreme then when it is about to die, with some individuals not clinically dead you could get a lot of activity. I can see why it would be quite brilliant for those who return.

Yes I did. Unsurprising, although quite fascinating. I wonder what exactly triggers that phenomenon. Life the step by step process of causation.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Everyone has a belief - whether they know it or not.

Some believe that science is the ultimate truth, and be all and end all. Others believe that view is limited.

Science isn't the truth. Science is the most reliable method to explain phenomena.

And yes, science is limited. But it doesn't mean you get to fill in the gaps with your preferred god.

 

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Science isn't the truth. Science is the most reliable method to explain phenomena.

And yes, science is limited. But it doesn't mean you get to fill in the gaps with your preferred god.

Science is a supplement to explaining metaphysical truth.

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Nope

You believe God doesn't exist?

 

[Maddy]

You believe God doesn't exist?

Nope

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Science is a supplement to explaining metaphysical truth.

It's not a "supplement". Stop spouting non sense that your preachers brainwashed you with.

 

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Nope

So that's your belief

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It's not a "supplement". Stop spouting non sense that your preachers brainwashed you with.

Why should you be allowed to dribble the emptiness your atheist masters brainwash you with

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Why should you be allowed to dribble the emptiness your atheist masters brainwash you with

Because science is not an atheist concept. It's independent of it. The only people stupid enough to reject the scientific process are theists who are biased towards a primitive means of gaining knowledge: god and revelation.

 

[Maddy]

So that's your belief )

Nope

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I'm still surprised at how theists just can't grasp the idea that attacking science is futile. Doing so it's just a way of asserting a god of the gaps. And if you had even a bit of intellectual honesty, you'd realize how pathetically flawed that concept is.

If you believe in god, stop attacking science and start proving your god.

 

[Eddy]

Astral Projection

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

What about it?

 

[Eddy]

I have yet to try it.

 

[JuveJay]

Everyone has a belief - whether they know it or not.

Some believe that science is the ultimate truth, the be all and end all. Others don't subscribe to this paradigm and believe that view is limited.

But the kind of belief required for religion doesn't use rational, yet in itself it is rational for a human to have belief, evidently.

 

[swag]

@JuveJay

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23872765

Fucking BBC... did they really have to call that section "Science & Environment" as if the two are mutually exclusive??

It's been considered for a long time, that they brought both water and life, I suppose both are mutually compatible. It's extremely likely there was life on Mars at some point.

Obviously we're a long way from proving these things, but science is science, if these elements are 'alien' because of the time scales then it is what it is. Earth is full of material coming in from space, we know this for a fact, and the inner solar system is far less turbulent now than it was.

Shit, the universe is raining life juice all over in the vacuum of space. All it needs is a little semi-hospitable place to take root to start growing. It's almost impossible to stop life from sprouting up everywhere in the universe: it's like the cockroaches in Rodrigo Taddei's underpants.

Whether you believe in a God or not, that's pretty damn metaphysically mind-blowing if you asked me.

Everyone has a belief - whether they know it or not.

BLOOM!

I've been saying this all along. Saying you're an athiest is a belief system like any other. Don't give me that "I'm special and I live in exceptionlism" crap. We all have belief systems that fill in the blanks for the universe's infinite unknowns. And every belief system throughout history has been subject to the, "No, but my belief system is superior to yours!" nonsense since the beginning of time. They all have their dubious points.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

BLOOM!

I've been saying this all along. Saying you're an athiest is a belief system like any other. Don't give me that "I'm special and I live in exceptionlism" crap. We all have belief systems that fill in the blanks for the universe's infinite unknowns. And every belief system throughout history has been subject to the, "No, but my belief system is superior to yours!" nonsense since the beginning of time. They all have their dubious points.

Yes, atheists do have a belief system like everyone else. It's just not based on flimsy concepts like god and religion.

And like in any other field, finding a better system is something humans always strive towards. That's how progress happens. And part of that progress involves showing why one system is better than the other. Dubious points are perhaps unavoidable. But isn't it better to choose a system with the least dubious points? And judging by your posts in the Syria thread, Greg, you too believe that religion has more dubious points than science or atheism.

 

[swag]

Yes, atheists do have a belief system like everyone else. It's just not based on flimsy concepts like god and religion.

And like in any other field, finding a better system is something humans always strive towards. That's how progress happens. And part of that progress involves showing why one system is better than the other. Dubious points are perhaps unavoidable. But isn't it better to choose a system with the least dubious points? And judging by your posts in the Syria thread, Greg, you too believe that religion has more dubious points than science or atheism.

Oh, I do agree that leaping to conclude ghosts are the answer to everything is hardly a better system. Hell, even Scooby Doo figured out what most religions have not.

The issue is most atheists act as if they are somehow immune from belief systems, when in fact they follow the exact some behavior models as any other:
* Holy figures
* Religious texts
* Claiming intellectual superiority over all other "false gods" before them
* Prosthelytizing

The only thing missing are the silly hats.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Oh, I do agree that leaping to conclude ghosts are the answer to everything is hardly a better system. Hell, even Scooby Doo figured out what most religions have not.

The issue is most atheists act as if they are somehow immune from belief systems, when in fact they follow the exact some behavior models as any other:
* Holy figures
* Religious texts
* Claiming intellectual superiority over all other "false gods" before them
* Prosthelytizing

The only thing missing are the silly hats.

"Only" thing? Was there an Atheist Inquisition that I missed studying about in history class?

Also, aren't you essentially proselytizing to misguided atheists with that very post? And how would you differentiate proselytism and the practice of imparting ideas, as described in the declaration of human rights?

EDIT: Also, blasphemy is not even close to existing on the same level as it does in the "other" religions. BLOOM!

EDIT 2: Oh, and no creation myths in atheism either.