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Maybe I'm an optimist but I think there are quite a few managers who can right this ship.
We didn't lose because of a lack of talent. We lost due to injuries to key player(s) (mostly Bremer), a regularly depleted backline (and no Huijsen or sufficient rotation options), key players not playing to their level (Vlahovic stands out the most here), and key purchases not playing to their previous ability (Luiz, Koopmeiners specifically).
There could be any number of reasons for these but the LEAST likely reason in my opinion is that these players all suddenly forgot how to play the game to a proper level. Motta's system and rigid adherance to that system, Motta's inability to control the locker room, lack of leadership in the locker room when we started to spiral, lack of leadership on the field specifically in CL but throughout the season we could not maintain a lead and fell apart regularly from winning positions, lack of players playing to their abilities, and injuries that decimated our first team and backline specifically to the point we had two fullbacks playing CB for the last 1-2 months of the season.
That's a lot to cope with for ANY team and adding a new manager on top who doesn't have the control of the locker room only compounds these matters. Tudor did show that a manager the players respect can help but even with him we had a meltdown.
We need structure and stability from the manager who is willing to adjust his system to the players and injuries we have and who commands respect and instill confidence and leadership to the players.
It's possible but it won't be easy and those types of managers are rare.
We didn't lose because of a lack of talent. We lost due to injuries to key player(s) (mostly Bremer), a regularly depleted backline (and no Huijsen or sufficient rotation options), key players not playing to their level (Vlahovic stands out the most here), and key purchases not playing to their previous ability (Luiz, Koopmeiners specifically).
There could be any number of reasons for these but the LEAST likely reason in my opinion is that these players all suddenly forgot how to play the game to a proper level. Motta's system and rigid adherance to that system, Motta's inability to control the locker room, lack of leadership in the locker room when we started to spiral, lack of leadership on the field specifically in CL but throughout the season we could not maintain a lead and fell apart regularly from winning positions, lack of players playing to their abilities, and injuries that decimated our first team and backline specifically to the point we had two fullbacks playing CB for the last 1-2 months of the season.
That's a lot to cope with for ANY team and adding a new manager on top who doesn't have the control of the locker room only compounds these matters. Tudor did show that a manager the players respect can help but even with him we had a meltdown.
We need structure and stability from the manager who is willing to adjust his system to the players and injuries we have and who commands respect and instill confidence and leadership to the players.
It's possible but it won't be easy and those types of managers are rare.
Maybe it’s an unpopular opinion, but I actually think Mancini could be a good fit for the current Juventus. His experience with big teams and the titles he’s won could help him manage this young squad well. I don’t really understand why there’s so much negativity around him at TuZ. the way some people in this forum talk about Mancini, you’d think he’s Ventura or something. But the guy is far from a bad coach, he’s basically won trophies everywhere he’s gone, from Serie A to the Premier League to the Euros. Unlike many Italian managers, his style isn’t Jihadball. He’s got tons of experience in big games and finals, and what he did with Italy at Euro was nothing short of brilliant. If the hate is just because of the World Cup miss, well… even Flick completely failed with Germany and now he’s killing it at Barca or Ancelotti didn’t exactly light things up at Napoli or Everton before coming back to RM. Mancini is in a different league compared to names like Tudor, Motta, or Marco Silva. I really don’t get why he’s not being considered more seriously.
I think Emery could also be a solid option. Overall, we shouldn't waste too much time. Letting Gasperini slip away might’ve been a mistake. Now that coaches like Klopp or Conte are unavailable, coaches like Mancini or Emery could still build a strong, structured team in my opinion.
I think Emery could also be a solid option. Overall, we shouldn't waste too much time. Letting Gasperini slip away might’ve been a mistake. Now that coaches like Klopp or Conte are unavailable, coaches like Mancini or Emery could still build a strong, structured team in my opinion.
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i usually agree with most of your takes, but not this one buddy. we need a 101% concentrated guy, and mancini is not only not a juventino, but also a sampdoria co-owner. and he recently lost the control over a squad he made an euro winner, that doesn't scream confidence either
conte would have been all right as he's a maniac. so is gasp. hard to tell who's the best fit, it's just that the work culture at the club must change, and i could have imagined either of those two to change that. as for the rest we've been linked with, neither of them were/are as convincing as the two above, even if they aren't perfect either
i'd take many coaches. de zerbi for the tactical revolution and lolz, tudor for the commitment and knowledge of the club, fabregas just to piss off inda lol, zidane because he used to be my favorite player and other than having an extremely stacked team, he also was adaptable at real, etc. but i'd prefer to have a reliable, not clown management first.
conte would have been all right as he's a maniac. so is gasp. hard to tell who's the best fit, it's just that the work culture at the club must change, and i could have imagined either of those two to change that. as for the rest we've been linked with, neither of them were/are as convincing as the two above, even if they aren't perfect either
i'd take many coaches. de zerbi for the tactical revolution and lolz, tudor for the commitment and knowledge of the club, fabregas just to piss off inda lol, zidane because he used to be my favorite player and other than having an extremely stacked team, he also was adaptable at real, etc. but i'd prefer to have a reliable, not clown management first.
I think if we offer him 20 million per year, he'll come. Right now, Juve needs a Ronaldo-level signing on the bench. It’s really worth paying big wages to a top tier coach if it means getting the team back on track. But Elkann doesn’t have that ambition. As for Zidane, it’s also a question of ambition, if we bring him in and make a few good signings, why wouldn’t it work?
Football in Italy is so fucking out dated, even we, as fans are fucking scared to name a coach who didn't coach or play as a player in Serie A. No wonder we can't change our style and finally play attractive football if we always go for a guy who is crippled by Italian coaching school. Meanwhile Liverpool have no problem hiring Slot who has no experience in their league at all. Barca can go for Flick who never played in Spain and he makes one of the best playing teams.
This league is fucking closed when it comes to coaches it's unreal. Most of the top teams are chaning coaches and all the rumours are same old fucking names Allegri, Sarri, Motta, Juric, Gasperini, Mancini wtf is this shit.
This league is fucking closed when it comes to coaches it's unreal. Most of the top teams are chaning coaches and all the rumours are same old fucking names Allegri, Sarri, Motta, Juric, Gasperini, Mancini wtf is this shit.
I feel the choice of coach is not going to matter much as long as the administration / management side of the club remains so uninspired. I feel that to really construct something great you have to have strength in admin, on the bench and on the pitch, all sharing the same vision and pulling the same rope in the same direction. I don't see that occurring at Juventus any time soon. 
Italian coaches are prestigious around Europe, it is one of the premier coaching schools. The recycling of experienced coaches is to be expected as they don't see the necessity to go abroad as they believe their coaches are up there with the best. English managers in comparison are few and far between, or not seen as good as foreign coaches, so their clubs will inevitably sign whichever foreign coach whose stock is high and in demand. They have the opposite problem to Italy. I also think it's much easier to transplant a Dutch coach into English football, for various reasons. And then you've got the issue that the best foreign coaches will want to go to England or Spain ahead of Italy. Serie A is full of the experienced Italians and those cutting their teeth.
Roma have tried a mix of Italians, foreign coaches from calcio, and external, the latter of which all failed. Inter's foreign coaches during Moratti's era all failed bar post-Farsopoli Mourinho. Milan have tried two Portuguese coaches in a row and both failed. You can see why they revert to their "safe mode". But it's quite a small sample, and obviously many more Italians have also failed in the past 30 years.
I like the idea of a foreign coach coming in and at least trying to get us to play in a completely different way, but I'd also be fully prepared for it to be something that might take 2-3 seasons to come to fruition. If the club is at risk of missing top 4 in any season they'll invariably replace the coach so this'll never happen. It's a shitcycle.
Roma have tried a mix of Italians, foreign coaches from calcio, and external, the latter of which all failed. Inter's foreign coaches during Moratti's era all failed bar post-Farsopoli Mourinho. Milan have tried two Portuguese coaches in a row and both failed. You can see why they revert to their "safe mode". But it's quite a small sample, and obviously many more Italians have also failed in the past 30 years.
I like the idea of a foreign coach coming in and at least trying to get us to play in a completely different way, but I'd also be fully prepared for it to be something that might take 2-3 seasons to come to fruition. If the club is at risk of missing top 4 in any season they'll invariably replace the coach so this'll never happen. It's a shitcycle.