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Who would you like to see coach Juve this summer?

  • Benitez

  • Pellegrini

  • Allegri

  • Gasperini

  • Prandelli

  • Blanc


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Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
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So we've gone from Hiddink, to Benitez, to Prandelli, to Del Neri.
Now be prepared for something similar with the players we'll buy.
From Zlatan or Torres, to Dzeko, to Cavani, or even: from Zlatan or Torres, to Dzeko, to Cavani, to our attack is good as it is.

On second thought, I'd rather keep our attack as it is than add Cavani or anyone else who isn't any better than our current attackers.
 

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Lo-Pan

Disciple of Gonzo
Feb 11, 2009
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Hiring a Del Neri is just a step back. The problem with the management is that so far, they themselves have not known what they expect of the team. Their goals are unclear. And moving ahead with such confusion is what has led to the likes of Hiddink staying away. Even Benitez for that matter may have sensed the indecision, and at a time like that he rather deal with the incompetency he faces at Liverpool given how long he's been there, than come into a new environment and deal with the same issues. Yes, our management is to blame on some fronts. When you're looking to switch formations and have acquired players accordingly, it's only fair to give that set of personnel some continuity. A large portion of why our team's performances have been less than acceptable this season has been lack of continuity. Hopefully, Agnelli being close to Juve would help undo the mess we currently find ourselves in. I like the appointment of Marotta, he seems capable.

Zaccheroni is probably the most incompetent coach one could come across, but I have to agree with him when he says this squad doesnt need an entire overhaul. It's what we tried to do last year, by bringing in a bunch of new players without duly assigning what was expected of them. Couple that with injuries over the course of the year and you'll see why we haven't played as a unit.

Just as importantly, we must consider that we shifted the entire onus of team play on to new acquisitions like Diego - which only made it harder for them to perform, when really it should've been a gradual shift of responsibility from the old guard to the new. Even now, I think the board would be making a huge error in dismantling the team as a whole. What they should do instead is identify their core, while retaining the old guard to help keep the team together and let them gel into a formation, that currently is screaming to be a 4-2-3-1.

We all know Prandelli is a better fit for that formation because Del Neri would be more comfortable deploying a 4-4-2. It's only going to be another short sighted decision, quick fix solution because we're going to have to massively re-invest in the mercato, when all we should be looking at doing is plugging the holes on the wing and in defense to better suit the 4-2-3-1 - that too without a revolution in the squad. I wouldnt lay great emphasis on the fact that we finished 7th. That's got more to do with our mental preparation than quality at hand. This season has been an anomally and would not set us up for more disappointment if our approach is right. Which is why, the focus on youth this season is all the more imperative, with Del Piero soon to pass on the mantle as the crucible of this team. The likes of Giovinco, Diego, Caceres, Iaqo and new generation players need a coach to believe in them and let them play football the only way they know how. Unfortunately, Del Neri even if i was to avoid looking at his achievements or the lack of them, is not the kind of man who can breathe life into the new generation waiting in the wings.
I agree, mate, that we have a half decent core. But I am certain that the squad needs major renovation...caceres and Iago you mention...Caceres has proven awful defensively, and encouraging going forward. Iago had not even played for us...Including them is ridiculous, in such a statement, for they CANNOT be part of our class core, for they have yet to prove their class. I could add Giovinco to that list as he has done nothing for us, because he hasnot been given the chance to do anything for us, on a regular basis...so, I will assume, that truly, like myself, you see Buffon and Chiellini as the only CORE...2 players. Which demands complete renovation of a faltering, aging, and lacking quality squad.

Who do you mean, by 'the old guard?'
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
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so you are saying that you cannot see the difference between a manager who has managed his team to 4th position with a squad perhaps less capable than ours on paper???
Doesn't this logic make Delio Rossi better than Prandelli and the often mentioned Gasperini?

You can't look at one single season to compare coaches. What's next, will we look at single matches to compare coaches? Ferrara beat Del Neri 5:1 this season.
Del Neri is overall less successful than Zaccheroni (check one of my previous posts here) and this successful 2009/2010 season doesn't make him a good candidate for the Juve bench.
 

JuventinMalti

Senior Member
Apr 5, 2006
575
Enough idolisation of the old guard please. Yes, they stayed with us in Serie B. So what? Psychologically speaking I think they're the cause of the team's unsettlement, not its cure.

Them staying with us in B has elevated them to mythical beings. They have a higher standing than anybody else in the team, for both sporting and affectionate reasons. Consequently they are the ones calling the shots in the dressing room, and no coach (at least certainly not the ones we had since B) could keep them under control. They have the fans backing and so they expect to be treated like royalty. This undoubtedly creates an internal power struggle that only the likes of Hiddink, Mourinho and Capello are cabale of resolving.

Despite loving and respecting them to bits, the Old Guard are what's holding this team back at this point in time. They are holding the team back from developing into something new. I know it's not a popular thing to say around here, but hell, most truths aren't popular.
 

Lo-Pan

Disciple of Gonzo
Feb 11, 2009
2,788
Doesn't this logic make Delio Rossi better than Prandelli and the often mentioned Gasperini?

You can't look at one single season to compare coaches. What's next, will we look at single matches to compare coaches? Ferrara beat Del Neri 5:1 this season.
Del Neri is overall less successful than Zaccheroni (check one of my previous posts here) and this successful 2009/2010 season doesn't make him a good candidate for the Juve bench.
sUGGesting what I wrote leads onto, logically, judging managers on individual matches is offensively puerile and plain dumb. a season is so obviously more a decent measure than a single match that it's equally a waste of time, for me to elaborate...

I am not saying he is a good candidate. I am saying...who else is there??? If nobody else, then Del Neri seems like an improvement on what we presently have, and he is likely to give Giovinco a chance, and replace Camo with some of our riches...he is also coming off yes just ONE, but still, a season of definite success. He is better than Zach, for me presently.

If you wish to expand massively and wrongly, my words to include managers judged on ONE MATCH...then enjoy yourself, but expect no more responses on such ridiculous debate.
 

baggio

Senior Member
Jun 3, 2003
19,250
have you ever thought of the possiblity that said coaches do not want to join Juve?
Corvino isnt Fiorentina's coach. Prandelli is. Corvino saying Prandelli is staying, means nothing. Decide what you have an issue with, Prandelli being young or him being unavailable. And even if he's unavailable, Del Neri isnt the next best thing, Gasperini is.
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,382
Corvino isnt Fiorentina's coach. Prandelli is. Corvino saying Prandelli is staying, means nothing. Decide what you have an issue with, Prandelli being young or him being unavailable. And even if he's unavailable, Del Neri isnt the next best thing, Gasperini is.
How can you judge that Gasperini is better than Del Neri?
 

Suns

Release clause?
May 22, 2009
22,086
Second time we're appointing a coach cause of what he did with a small team. We appointed Ranieri cause he saved Parma from relegation and we're appointing Del Neri cause he did good enough with Sampdoria this season.
 

baggio

Senior Member
Jun 3, 2003
19,250
Who do you mean, by 'the old guard?'
By definition, the old guard would be Buffon, Camoranesi, Trezeguet and Del Piero. Sure, we want to get rid of two of those in no uncertain terms, but ideally they should be allowed to play out the length of their contracts. Even if it means paying them their wages, because it's very important they mentor people like Diego, Marchisio, Giovinco, Chiellini and to a lesser extent Sissoko, Melo (if he stays) and Iaquinta with everything they've learnt in all those years of winning titles. I know this maybe an idyllic stance to some, but the fact of the matter is, none of the younger players on the squad have seen the success the older players have. They'll only know what it takes to win, when they play or train alongside these guys. Look at how much difference Neddy's absence makes in the dressing room. Letting both Camo and Trez go together in one season is going to hurt more, and not necessarily be for the better.
 

baggio

Senior Member
Jun 3, 2003
19,250
How can you judge that Gasperini is better than Del Neri?
He's been with Juventus before. As player, and then as coach. He has overseen the primavera squad before, some of the players could be drafted in to the senior team. His 3-4-3 style is more attacking and contemporary than the staid 4-4-2 that Del Neri plays, and he's finished 5th with a Genoa team, one position short of Del Neri's Sampdoria this season (again if i'm not mistaken) - his biggest achievement to date. Call me an optimist, but I'd rather go with a comparitively 'younger' coach than one with 25 years of experience of having been nothing but mediocre.
 

icemaη

Rab's Husband - The Regista
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Aug 27, 2008
36,354
Second time we're appointing a coach cause of what he did with a small team. We appointed Ranieri cause he saved Parma from relegation and we're appointing Del Neri cause he did good enough with Sampdoria this season.
Ranieri has a much better CV than Delneri.
 

Badass J Elkann

It's time to go!!
Feb 12, 2006
68,956
But would u not rather have a top coach then a hack?

I dont think if u give a hack an extra 2 months to work he will do anything amazing in that time. Look at Man City.. Mancini came in mid season and moved them up un the league so they just barely missed CL. A good coach can do alot.

If we have Marotta and Agnelli to do our transfers and make smart buys why would it be bad to wait on a good coach. We should be thinking for the next 3 or 4 years. Not just get a manager cuz he is free a month earlier then a quality one.
Worst comes to worst and we screw up our Europa league qualification.
and as i said we would have great difficulty persuading any manager to join us who are already preparing their own teams for the world cup, their FA would most likely disallow any talks regarding their managers till after the world cup, by then its more or less too late anyways.

Anyhow i wouldn't call Del Neri a hack, what he did at Chievo, Atalanta and Samp is fairly respectable, its not like we're hiring malessani now is it?
 

BIG DADDY!!!

Senior Member
Mar 12, 2004
5,302
Miha tipped for the Samp job Friday 14 May, 2010

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Catania boss Sinisa Mihajlovic is the favourite to succeed Gigi Del Neri at Sampdoria if he leaves for Juventus next week as expected.

It would appear that Del Neri has already reached an agreement with Juventus and that Sunday's match against Napoli will be his last in charge of Sampdoria.

The Blucerchiati are reluctant to lose him and even released a statement yesterday, warning clubs that they are not a supermarket.

However, Sampdoria President Riccardo Garrone is resigned to the fact and has already started planning to replace Del Neri.

Mihajlovic is the No 1 candidate, not just because of the wonderful job he has done at Catania this season.

The 40-year-old Serb spent four years with Sampdoria as a player and is still fondly remembered among the club's fans.

Luring him away from Catania will be tricky though as he is under contract, which could lead Samp to hire Chievo Coach Mimmo Di Carlo.

The 46-year-old's existing deal with Chievo is due to expire and many feel he is ready to make the step up to a bigger club.

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