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acmilan

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Nov 8, 2005
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I don't mind you being wrong, but it's wrong enough to be considered a troll IMO.
not when you are wrongfully accused :D

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WΏΏdy;3939759 said:
Why do you take him seriously Salv? He's a Pootaeng and Nocerino fanboy who believes Vidal aint world class :D
no Boa and Noce fanboy here ... and, I actually consider Vidal to be a better player than either of those two ... still not world-class though :p
 

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CaesarCod

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Mar 13, 2008
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The whole Vettel overtaking under yellow flags is wrong - It was actually Yellow and Red flags which indicates poor conditions or oil on track - something like that.

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Oh, and VETTEL WORLD CHAMPION !!!
 

Boksic

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May 11, 2005
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you don't seem too disappointed in Massa for grabbing his ankles for Alonso :p



great race by Vettel, who, unlike Alonso, fights for his points and doesn't rely on mistakes by others to gain in position. Don't know if he is the best pilot from the current crop but he sure is the one who deserves the title the most, especially considering the misfortunes over the past 2 races. He just finds a way to beat the odds, while Alonso hasn't been even the best driver in his team when it mattered most ... even if I am sure many Ferraristi would be quick to use the "inferior car" argument in defending him.
I have no problem with teammates moving over to let the lead driver through. Whether that is Vettel past Webber or Alonso past Massa. What I did not like was Schumacher moving over just because his friend was coming behind him.

Have to say that you are talking nonsense about Vettel "fighting for his points and unlike Alonso doesn't rely on mistakes of others". Vettel has more than taken advantage of others making mistakes, look at the race where he started in the pits. Most of his direct competitors to get 3rd place crashed out meaning that he only had to pass lesser teams.

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that, being able to take advantage of mistakes by others is important to win. But implying that Alonso only got where he was from others mistakes and not Vettel is incredibly blinkered.

Nonetheless, great season the best in many years and congratulations to Vettel who is an extremely talented driver.
 

WΏΏdy?

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Dec 23, 2005
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What I did not like was Schumacher moving over just because his friend was coming behind him.
So you'd rather see someone bullied and ordered to move over rather than see a friend letting another friend through? That's the first time in his entire career Schumi has done that ya know and it was not just any race, it was last race of the season and a title decider.
 

Boksic

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May 11, 2005
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I have no problem with teammates moving over for one another. It is a team sport. Why would someone move over just for their friend. I am a big Schumacher fan but that was not very professional.

As for it being his last race and a title decider, all the more reason to drive fairly and to the best of your ability.

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I have no problem with teammates moving over for one another. It is a team sport. Why would someone move over just for their friend. I am a big Schumacher fan but that was not very professional.

As for it being his last race and a title decider, all the more reason to drive fairly and to the best of your ability.
 

WΏΏdy?

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Dec 23, 2005
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I have no problem with teammates moving over for one another. It is a team sport. Why would someone move over just for their friend. I am a big Schumacher fan but that was not very professional.

As for it being his last race and a title decider, all the more reason to drive fairly and to the best of your ability.

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I have no problem with teammates moving over for one another. It is a team sport. Why would someone move over just for their friend. I am a big Schumacher fan but that was not very professional.
Are you aware of Ralf Schumacher moving over to let Michael tru in Suzuka 98? They were not teammates then.

As for it being his last race and a title decider, all the more reason to drive fairly and to the best of your ability.
Driver's championship is not a team sport, how do you see it as fair if a team mate moves over to let the other through?
 

Boksic

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May 11, 2005
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WΏΏdy;3939926 said:
Are you aware of Ralf Schumacher moving over to let Michael tru in Suzuka 98? They were not teammates then.



Driver's championship is not a team sport, how do you see it as fair if a team mate moves over to let the other through?
No I was not aware about Ralph moving over. Again I would not condone that.

If it is best for the team and/or if it helps someone's teammate win a championship then there is no problem for me. The clue is in the name that as a team-mate you work together to help one another. Every driver has a level playing field as everytime would use that tactic. Why should someone not in the same team as someone else move over for them? Why should that person have that advantage simply because they are friends with the right person? It is not really fair for all drivers and does not make it a level playing field.
 

Salvo

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Dec 17, 2007
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I'm not one of those people that hates Vettel so I'm not too angry about him winning. Great race from him today, especially after that crash, and the stuff he showed in Abu Dhabi as well. Two drives that are worthy of winning the championship.

Alonso still was the best driver this season, the fact he managed to pull it this close is incredible. Ferrari need to give him the car at some point. Massa did a lot better as well, really glad he's back.

Hamilton crashing out for his final race at Mclaren, when he is in the lead :lol2:

Fucking love this sport, that race was a fucking ride. And now I've got the build up to Milan-Juve to think about. Fantastic day of sport.
Yeah I feel for Alonso, best race driver this year for sure. Next year I hope he has a better car under him.
 

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