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.AB.

Mafioso
Jul 15, 2002
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++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
The points rule was to stop Schummi. look at last season for example, Kimmi had a chance to be champion even if he won only one race, while Schumacher won, what, 7 or 8? The winner isnt rewarded enough, it's possible to be champion without a single win.
Winning isnt everything, Consistency is the key, Look at it this way, Kimi finished 2 point behind Schummi despite winning just one race.

There was no instance where u could say schumi could have done better last year.

But for Kimi

1. He could have won the Aus Gp, He got a drive through penalty for going 0.9 kmph faster than the speed limit(Cost him 4 points), Schummi would have got away with it.

2. Kimi was on his way to Victory in Brazil, but the race was stopped Abruptly because of a crash. He was awarded the victory but stripped of it later.

3. Was unstoppable at the European Gp, but his engine blew.

4. I dont need to get even started about the mechanical faiures.



He was awsome yesterday dispite, having a downshift problem and body damage.
 

Torkel

f(s+1)=3((s +1)-1=3s
Jul 12, 2002
3,537
Judas Button will drive for Williams next year, trust me. They should cut him loose now, kick him in the nuts and leave him without a drive for the rest of the year, it's a shame what he did.
 

.AB.

Mafioso
Jul 15, 2002
1,042
From itv.com/f1

Jenson Button has revealed that he turned down more money from BAR to move to Williams.

Button confirmed he had been made a counter-offer - but said his heart was set on Williams.
 

.AB.

Mafioso
Jul 15, 2002
1,042
guys do u think its better for Mclaren/Williams to finish 5th rather than 4th in the championship coz team finishing 5th and downwards can test an extra car on friday sessions next year.
 

.AB.

Mafioso
Jul 15, 2002
1,042
The FIA has supplied Formula One’s Technical Working Group (TWG) with three sets of proposals aimed at reducing the performance of the cars in the coming seasons.

All include key changes to bodywork and aerodynamic regulations, designed to reduce the amount of downforce, and one features the much-talked-about switch to smaller 2.4 litre V8 engines for the 2006 season.

While putting forward the three packages for consideration, the FIA said it would also be willing to consider a combination of various elements from the different packages, if all the teams can agree.

In addition, the FIA asked for the immediate consideration of two safety-related measures that it would like to introduce as soon as possible. One is eliminating the use of materials that leave sharp shards of debris on the track in the event of an accident. The second is a reduction in the car weight limit so the use of ballast can be eliminated, thus reducing the amount of energy to be dissipated in a crash.

The TWG was due to meet on Monday September 6 to discuss the proposals.

Details of the FIA packages in full:

Package 1 consists of the FIA's suggestions for Sporting and Technical Regulations dated 16 July 2004 with the following differences:

1) The following amendments will be made to Article 3:
3.7 Front bodywork height :
3.7.1 All bodywork situated forward of a point lying 330mm behind the front wheel centre line, and more than 250mm from the centre line of the car, must be no less than 100mm 150mm and no more than 300mm 350mm above the reference plane.
Furthermore, all bodywork situated forward of a point lying 330mm in front of the front wheel centre line, and more than 250mm from the centre line of the car, must be no less than 150mm and no more than 350mm above the reference plane.
3.7.2 All bodywork situated forward of a point lying 330mm in front of the front wheel centre line must be no less than 50mm above the reference plane.

2) Additional constraints will be placed on engines in 2006 :
- The cylinder bore will be fixed
- The cylinder spacing and engine length will be fixed
- The crankshaft centre line height will be fixed
- The engine mounting points front and rear will be fixed

Package 2 consists of the FIA's suggestions for Sporting and Technical Regulations dated 16 July 2004 with the following amendments to Article 3:

3.9 Bodywork between the rear wheels :
3.9.1 No bodywork more than 100mm from the car centre line, and which is situated between the rear wheel centre line and a point lying 330mm forward of it, may be more than 600mm above the reference plane.
3.9.2 No bodywork between 75mm and 480mm more than 50mm from the car centre line, and which is situated between the rear wheel centre line and a point lying 150mm behind it, may be located between 375mm and 600mm be more than 450mm above the reference plane.
3.10 Height behind the rear wheel centre line :
3.10.1 Any part of the car behind the centre line of the rear wheels must not be more than 800mm above the reference plane.
3.10.2 No bodywork behind the centre line of the rear wheels, and more than 150mm each side of the longitudinal centre line of the car, may be less than 300mm above the reference plane.
3.10.3 Any bodywork more than 150mm behind the rear wheel centre line which is between 300mm and 600mm above the reference plane, and between 75mm and 480mm from the car centre line, must lie in an area when viewed from the side of the car that is situated between 300mm and 375mm above the reference plane and between 150mm and 500mm behind the rear wheel centre line. When viewed from the side of the car no longitudinal cross section may have more than one closed section in the lower area.
Any bodywork behind the rear wheel centre line which is more than 600mm 375mm above the reference plane, and between 75mm and 480mm from the car centre line, must lie in an area when viewed from the side of the car that is situated between 600mm and 800mm above the reference plane and between the rear wheel centre line and a point 350mm behind it. When viewed from the side of the car, no longitudinal cross section may have more than two closed sections in the upper area. Furthermore, the distance between adjacent sections at any longitudinal plane must not exceed 15mm at their closest position.
In side view, the projected area of any bodywork lying between 300mm and 800mm above the reference plane and between the rear wheel centre line and a point 600mm behind it must be greater than 230000mm².
3.17.2 Bodywork may deflect no more than 10mm vertically when a 500N load is applied vertically to it 400mm 450mm forward of the rear wheel centre line and 650mm from the car centre line. The load will be applied in a downward direction using a 50mm diameter ram and an adapter of the same size, Teams must supply the latter when such a test is deemed necessary.

Package 3 consists of the FIA's suggestions for Sporting and Technical Regulations dated 16 July 2004 with the following differences for application in 2006:
1) The car reference plane will be required to extend as far forward as the front wheel centre line.
2) All turning vanes and barge boards will be forbidden.
3) The only changes to Article 5 will be the following:

5.1 Engine specification :
5.1.1 Only 4-stroke engines with reciprocating pistons are permitted.
5.1.2 Engine capacity must not exceed 2400 cc.
5.1.3 Supercharging is forbidden.
5.1.4 All engines must have 8 cylinders and the normal section of each cylinder must be circular.
5.1.5 Engines may have no more than 5 valves per cylinder.
5.2 Other means of propulsion :
5.2.1 The use of any device, other than the 2.4 litre, four stroke engine described in 5.1 above, to power the car, is not permitted.
5.2.2 The total amount of recoverable energy stored on the car must not exceed 300kJ, any which may be recovered at a rate greater than 2kW must not exceed 20kJ.

Note:

To be accompanied by a sporting rule that no team may use an engine which is not available free of charge and on a fully competitive basis to a number of other teams equal to or greater than the number of teams entered in the Championship divided by the number of different makes of engine in use, rounded up to the nearest whole number.

The supplier of each such engine (or its parent company when deemed appropriate by the FIA) would be required to give a binding undertaking to the FIA that it would not cease supply without first giving written notice during the year preceding its last full year of participation.
 

mikhail

Senior Member
Jan 24, 2003
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Woah. Lots and lots of little changes. Interesting to see barge boards ruled illegal. I've never quite figured out what they do!

"To be accompanied by a sporting rule that no team may use an engine which is not available free of charge and on a fully competitive basis to a number of other teams equal to or greater than the number of teams entered in the Championship divided by the number of different makes of engine in use, rounded up to the nearest whole number."
This one is fascinating: does it mean that a couple of teams will have the same engine as Farrari? And what poor saps will get stuck with the MacLauren engines? :p Doesn't this eliminate half the design costs from the sport? And doesn't this basically mean that the teams are heading towards everyone having the same car? That ruins half the fun of the sport.
 

Elnur_E65

Senior Member
Feb 21, 2004
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Yep. It will ruin the spirit of mechanics competition. Even though the changes would be beneficial to team I support- Williams, I am against these new regulations.

If a team wants to do better, it must IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF ITS CARS. Period.
 

.AB.

Mafioso
Jul 15, 2002
1,042
++ [ originally posted by mikhail ] ++
Woah. Lots and lots of little changes. Interesting to see barge boards ruled illegal. I've never quite figured out what they do!
They direct the air flow in to the side pods, Mclaren invented them BTW.
 

mikhail

Senior Member
Jan 24, 2003
9,576
++ [ originally posted by abhinav ] ++
They direct the air flow in to the side pods, Mclaren invented them BTW.
Thanks. The only time I really noticed them was one race, last season I think, where Schumacher's had become damaged. It didn't seem to make any difference - I think he even set a new fastest lap with them damaged.
 

kaizer

Senior Member
Nov 1, 2003
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did anyone see Monza GP? damn, gr8 race....gr8 performance by Ferrari :thumb: Schumi climbed back from 15th plave to 2nd, Rubens was in 4th, but won. they were superior tactically :)

i'm glad Rubens won :touched:
 

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