Fiore: Camoranesi should go (1 Viewer)

[River]

Fact is if he has an italian passport he can play for the national team. Fiore should concentrate on trying to WIN his place back in the team rather than moaning about it.

 

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[gray]

++ [ originally posted by Martin ] ++
So we're talking biologic nationality now?

Martin, I'm quite interested to hear your answer to the question i posed a while ago.

My parents are both Korean, but I was born in Australia. I speak Korean at home, eat Korean food, most of my friends are Korean, I'd blindly support Korea over Australia in a sporting match, and I go back to visit at least every 3 years. Would it be Deco-esque of me to play for Korea?

 

[The Pado]

++ [ originally posted by Shenanigans ] ++
did spalletti really say that?!

Yes, he did, and he too looks good with a shaven head

Gray, I am of the opinion that you should represent Korea.

 

[gray]

I'm not disagreeing with you, and to be honest I'd want to represent Korea more than Australia, but why do you say that?

I mean I was born and raised here, and if I was half-decent, I'm sure Australians would be outraged if I did represent Korea, since I owe my development and whatnot to Australia

 

[IncuboRossonero]

++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++

Martin, I'm quite interested to hear your answer to the question i posed a while ago.

My parents are both Korean, but I was born in Australia. I speak Korean at home, eat Korean food, most of my friends are Korean, I'd blindly support Korea over Australia in a sporting match, and I go back to visit at least every 3 years. Would it be Deco-esque of me to play for Korea?

with all due respect Graham the issue here was Camoranesi and not Graham. So making your case does not strengthen the Camo arguement. Camo was born in Argentina...did not speak Italian at home and most of his friends were not Italian and his parents were not from Italy. More over, the first time he went to Italy was for occupation (football) reasons. In addition he was a refute from Argentina.
Selecting a player like Camo is not truly being a national team but fishing for players outside your nation which goes against the whole nation of a "National team".

 

[nina]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++
I think the team is far from united for many reasons...Trap's inability to bring them together: there have been 'clicks' of players in this team since 2002 as Totti-Vieri-Inzaghi had a bond with very little communication with Del Piero. The lack of communication between Totti-DP was very obvious yesterday as was the lack of chemistry and team work.

Everything would be much better in the team if Trap stepped down from the Totti cloud and would treat every player on the team the same. He gets special treatments despite not performing to not even mention how many times he had an 'injury' when Italy played friendlies or not so important matches. If I'm not mistaken, San Paolo turned down the call-up and one of the reasons was also Totti.

 

[gray]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++
with all due respect Graham the issue here was Camoranesi and not Graham. So making your case does not strengthen the Camo arguement. Camo was born in Argentina...did not speak Italian at home and most of his friends were not Italian and his parents were not from Italy. More over, the first time he went to Italy was for occupation (football) reasons. In addition he was a refute from Argentina.
Selecting a player like Camo is not truly being a national team but fishing for players outside your nation which goes against the whole nation of a "National team".

With all due respect Nick, I wasn't talking to you

I understand the distance Camo has from Italy, but I was replying to Martin's question about nationality being bioligical, which is a very interesting issue, and I'm curious about people's opinions on such situations as my own

 

[*aca*]

++ [ originally posted by Padovano ] ++


I don't know what you mean by "blindest post". Do you deny Del Piero's footballing skills that the world, except for you, has seen since 1992? You disagree with me because Del Piero did nothing over 60 minutes against Denmark? Well then, I guess Italy is not a good footballing nation and Totti is not world class - based upon the one game played yesterday. This is your reasoning.

I refered to you saying that none of the nations you mention has a player with skills that equal DP. Thats blind faith in a player which, with all due respect, is not the player he was in mid 90's. And that based on last two years performance, which is, at best, average

He has a name. And no form whatsoever.

and please, dont put words i havent said in my mouth.

 

[Maher]

I also think that he should go not only from the nt but from juve also cause he is 99% of the time not doing anything always it is easy to loose ball from him.

 

[Eaglesnake_1]

thats and opinion to be respected...but is not shared for the big majority of this forums...you can check the poll "ADP not for juve?" and look at the results....

 

[delpiero10]

Why not be more patient, he only played the first 65 minutes of this tournament, he might come back and be good and score goals.

 

[Torkel]

++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++
My parents are both Korean, but I was born in Australia. I speak Korean at home, eat Korean food, most of my friends are Korean, I'd blindly support Korea over Australia in a sporting match, and I go back to visit at least every 3 years. Would it be Deco-esque of me to play for Korea?

To me, the question is: do you feel Korean or Australian?

 

[gray]

++ [ originally posted by Torkel ] ++
To me, the question is: do you feel Korean or Australian?

Actually I feel a bit of both. When I'm amongst Australian people, I get along with them great and it feels good that I fit right in. I guess more Korean though

Then again, I don't think it's all about feeling. This may be a very extreme case, but if I have no Italian blood and don't live in Italy, but live with Italians and speak Italian from birth, it doesn't qualify me to play for Italy at all.

 

[Torkel]

++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++
Then again, I don't think it's all about feeling. This may be a very extreme case, but if I have no Italian blood and don't live in Italy, but live with Italians and speak Italian from birth, it doesn't qualify me to play for Italy at all.

Of course you must have lived in the country at some point, but that is more less a given as that's required to get a citizenship in most countries.

When I talk about how important ones feelings are regarding nationality I first and foremost think about players like the French have. They've lived in France since they were very young, yet some say: you're from Africa, not France, you have no right to play for France or you'll never be truly French. It's this that IMO is wrong, as these people can feel as French as any Frenchman, and have the right to that.

 

[Sarah_old]

Hmm, I'm born a Singaporean. Lived here all my life. Having Malay roots and of Indonesian descendant from a few generations back. Speak and mix well with the Malays here. But that does not make me want to play for Malaysia (or Indonesia for that matter)...

So I can understand very much how people can be against Camo playing for Italy...(or Portugal in case of Deco)..

-S-

 

[The Pado]

++ [ originally posted by Torkel ] ++

Of course you must have lived in the country at some point, but that is more less a given as that's required to get a citizenship in most countries.

When I talk about how important ones feelings are regarding nationality I first and foremost think about players like the French have. They've lived in France since they were very young, yet some say: you're from Africa, not France, you have no right to play for France or you'll never be truly French. It's this that IMO is wrong, as these people can feel as French as any Frenchman, and have the right to that.

True. And this from the same French who claim Napoleon Bonaparte as their own. Born in Corsica (Italian at the time) and spoke Italian as his first language. Good thing is was not a footballer

 

[The Pado]

++ [ originally posted by *aca* ] ++



I refered to you saying that none of the nations you mention has a player with skills that equal DP. Thats blind faith in a player which, with all due respect, is not the player he was in mid 90's. And that based on last two years performance, which is, at best, average

He has a name. And no form whatsoever.

and please, dont put words i havent said in my mouth.

Was distracted by walking chicken without head.

 

[LEC]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
Fiore: Camoranesi should go
Saturday 12 June, 2004

Another row has broken out in the Azzurri camp after Stefano Fiore criticised Mauro Camoranesi’s decision to play for Italy.

“In my opinion,” said the Lazio midfielder, “a player should think only of wearing the jersey of his own country. Italy has enough stars to cover every role and we have no need to look elsewhere.”

This is not the first time that Fiore has come out to condemn Camoranesi’s decision to play for Italy, even though he was born in Argentina.

The Juventus man qualifies for Giovanni Trapattoni’s squad due to Italian great grandparents and only made the choice after Argentina failed to call him for international duty.

Fiore has a vested interest in this situation, as he has been pushed out of the starting eleven by Camoranesi. He was also far from impressed with suggestions Trap will give everyone a chance to shine by making massive changes for the third and final qualifying game against Bulgaria.

“To play the third match when we’re already qualified,” sniped Fiore, “would be nothing short of humiliating. I am nobody’s reserve. I don’t ask for explanations, so all I can do is try to change Trapattoni’s mind.”

The 29-year-old has impressed at Lazio this season, but Trap has chosen to stick with Camoranesi for tactical reasons.

“I didn’t come to Portugal for a holiday,” he continued. “If I’m on the bench then I’ll be disappointed, as until I see the official team sheet I will maintain hope of being in there.


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maybe thats why Fiore plays at Lazio...:fero:

 

[3pac]

why doesnt someone just slap fiore right across the face?

 

[gray]

++ [ originally posted by Sir Sebastian ] ++
why doesnt someone just slap fiore right across the face?

Because there's a queue, and Totti's in front at the moment