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The Arif

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    ++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++
    so you don't currently have a copy of PES3 in your home?! :eek:

    I've got a ripped version that fits on a CD, with only the English language packs. I could send it to you if u wanted

    I play PES3 at my friend's PS2. ;)

    I'd appreciate if you'd send it to me gray. :thumb:
     

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    gray

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    No worries. Do you have a broadband connection or do I need to ship a CD half way across the world? :D

    we'd be best off discussing this via PM, cos this is the part where it gets shady :p I'm off to sleep now though, so lemme know via PM how I can get that out to ya mate ;)
     

    Bjerknes

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    ++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++
    http://www.computerandvideogames.co...erandvideogames.com/reviews/reviews_story.php(que)id=109648

    60 out of 100

    By a cruel stroke of fate, the review copy of FIFA 2005 dropped on my doormat on the very same day as an early copy of Pro Evolution Soccer 4. Guess which one I've been playing the most? The one I'm being paid to, naturally, as beyond all else, I am a professional. Not that it makes an iota of difference. Anyone who can distinguish between shit and treacle knows that PES is by far the superior game, yet FIFA continues to outsell it by the bucketful - thanks largely to official licences and a marketing budget that could buy Rooney.

    Much of the game's appeal has to do with aesthetics, and while there's undeniably a minor thrill to be had in running out at Old Trafford in this year's kit, for all the difference it makes you might as well be watching it on TV. And while Pro Evo is traditionally categorised as the more hardcore game, in actual fact this is something of a red herring - it's FIFA that actually requires the greater joypad gymnastics to instigate such half-baked ideas as the Off The Ball controls.

    This year's gimmick is the First Touch feature, whereby a tap of the second analogue stick causes the receiving player to play the ball into space. At best you'll buy yourself half a yard, but as often as not it results in losing possession and is scarcely worth the risk.

    So with the main new feature largely redundant, you're simply left with yet another sluggish, indistinguishable FIFA game. It's also tactically perverse, with defenders lurking on the edge of the box, and forwards showing little inclination to push up.

    The counter-intuitive control system means that you're often battling against the game rather than the opposition, and it's mainly unsatisfying. The set pieces remain dreadful, and in football you're only as strong as your weakest link. Overall, it's a remarkably uninvolving experience, and scoring or conceding goals barely registers a flicker of emotion.

    If you can cope with it, there is a 15-season career mode in place, although it's not entirely realistic. For instance, having been sacked from Chester City following a dismal start to the season (that bit is realistic) I immediately secured a post at crack Brazilian outfit Vasco da Gama. Along with these two ends of the footballing spectrum, there are more than 350 official team and league licences from around the world, as well as some 12,000 licensed players.

    But I'll never see more than a fraction of them, as FIFA 2005 has already been ditched in favour of PES4, a game that will comfortably last through winter and beyond. I'm wasting my time. Thank you and goodbye.
    Sounds like the PES maker's 10 year-old son wrote that review. You'll have to do better than that Graham.
     

    Bjerknes

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    ++ [ originally posted by Majed ] ++
    :thumb: Alex

    Now this thread is getting fair... It's about time we got some input from a non-Fifa bias person (who has barely even played WE )

    ........

    Anyway,
    I think It's hard to convince Andy and Arif to change...
    They don't value the beautiful game as much as the commercial things like licenses, kits, league names..etc. ;)
    Fvck that Majed. I can watch the "beautiful game", yes the REAL beautiful game on TV or soccerstreams or UEFA.com, or you can play the real thing yourself. But for a video game standpoint I prefer the managerial aspects of it, not the damn gameplay which a matter of fact isn't that behind PES or whatever the hell its called IF AT ALL. There is no friggin point on having anything other than FIFA if you like full seasons and play with people like Sergio across the internet.
     

    gray

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    ++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
    But for a video game standpoint I prefer the managerial aspects of it, not the damn gameplay which a matter of fact isn't that behind PES or whatever the hell its called IF AT ALL.
    So you're saying that from a video game point of view, you don't care about the gameplay?

    If you care about managerial aspects, then go play Championship Manager. Otherwise, you're playing two half-baked manager/soccer sim games when you could play purer versions of both types of games in the form of CM and PES.

    How can you even begin to judge anything about PES's gameplay without even giving it a try?
    ++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
    There is no friggin point on having anything other than FIFA if you like full seasons and play with people like Sergio across the internet.
    So you'll give PES a shot when it gets full seasons and online play? (in the near future, I imagine)
     

    gray

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    PES3 doesn't have the official licensing for the official leagues like Serie A and Champions League, so they can't have the same competition structure etc.

    I'm pretty sure PES4 has all that stuff though, which is why I asked whether Andy would be willing to give the PES series a shot if it got all the stuff that's deterring him from playing at the moment
     

    Bjerknes

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    ++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++

    So you're saying that from a video game point of view, you don't care about the gameplay?

    If you care about managerial aspects, then go play Championship Manager. Otherwise, you're playing two half-baked manager/soccer sim games when you could play purer versions of both types of games in the form of CM and PES.

    How can you even begin to judge anything about PES's gameplay without even giving it a try?

    So you'll give PES a shot when it gets full seasons and online play? (in the near future, I imagine)
    Graham I've been over this several times. Of course I care about gameplay, but I like the aspects of managing a club (from both a Moggi and Capello standpoint if you know what I mean) more. You might have many friends who love football and love those types of video games; Most of my friends don't give a rat's ass about soccer in general, and if they do they still don't play FIFA. You must understand that. That's why I like FIFA better, because the managerial aspects (League Names, Licenses, etc) are in place with FIFA.

    *Until I am guaranteed that any other game has a better Season format, all the player and team licenses such as FIFA are in place, online gaming is available, and all other respective licenses are acquired, I will be playing FIFA. It's all about which game YOU like the most, not what others think.
     

    Majed

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    ++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++

    I think the Fifa titles suffer a lot from the fact that they have so much pressure to release a game every single year, since their titles are Fifa 2004, 2005 etc. IMO they've gotten themselves into a bit of a rut with regards to that little predicament, and while they're obviously making millions from every Fifa title published, it doesn't help the overall polished-ness of their games
    I don't think there's much pressure in the fact that a title has to be released every year. Konami releases two two WE titles every year (or one and a half since the next is an update).

    Late summer 2002: WE6
    Jan 2003: WE6 int
    Late Summer 2003: WE7
    Jan 2004: WE7 int
    Late Summer 2005: WE8

    Fifa'd really have a tough task if they try to change to improve the game play drasticly.. little additions like first touch shouldn't be too hard. WE8 improved the first touch while still making the controls easy.
     

    Majed

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    ++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


    Graham I've been over this several times. Of course I care about gameplay, but I like the aspects of managing a club (from both a Moggi and Capello standpoint if you know what I mean) more. You might have many friends who love football and love those types of video games; Most of my friends don't give a rat's ass about soccer in general, and if they do they still don't play FIFA. You must understand that. That's why I like FIFA better, because the managerial aspects (League Names, Licenses, etc) are in place with FIFA.

    *Until I am guaranteed that any other game has a better Season format, all the player and team licenses such as FIFA are in place, online gaming is available, and all other respective licenses are acquired, I will be playing FIFA. It's all about which game YOU like the most, not what others think.
    Andy, hear me out... (or read me out) I know that you care about the managing aspects and the official standard league forms, but PES has way more than you think.

    1. If you like being Capello, the tactics/formation menus in WE simply incredible that nobody talks about it because the reviewers focus too much on the gameplay. You immediately notice the effects in the game. you're whole style can change. The teamwork points that are given to the players help them settle in better. there's just so much depth in the tactical point of view that you really feal that you can make the team play in your style.

    2. The Moggi aspect of buying and selling. WE's Master league has options where you buu/sell/loan the players. there are negotiations with other teams. young players' stats increase if you train them or let them play in league game and make them score or assist. players even age as seasons go buy and you notice that in gameplay. all the aspects are there Except the fact that it's called serie A or EPL. Whe you get into the little details, the main league format isn't important anymore. Think of the league and cup as if Europe united all it's leagues and made one huge league with different divisions (where you get relegated and promoted) and also a cup. The season's go by and it's almost as good. You're missing outon so much just for a problem that you'll find is very minor if you just play the game.... (If you ever do play PES4 or WE8, start with the edited patch... it'll help you settle in knowing that there fans are yelling " Alessandro Del Pierp" or "Forza Juve!" and Del Piero's got his black/silver/orange Adidas f-50s on and the tape around his socks...
     

    Bjerknes

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    Thats what I don't like Majed, the lack of these "real" Leagues. I don't like made up leagues because its not like reality at all. The Serie A, Champions League, and Coppa Italia are very impotant to me. Same thing with the internet gaming aspect in which Graham has stated that will be incorporated for months now, but to no prevail. And yes I also do like the special licenses that no other game maker has.

    So yeah I'm still with FIFA.
     
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    ++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
    Thats what I don't like Majed, the lack of these "real" Leagues. I don't like made up leagues because its not like reality at all. The Serie A, Champions League, and Coppa Italia are very impotant to me. Same thing with the internet gaming aspect in which Graham has stated that will be incorporated for months now, but to no prevail. And yes I also do like the special licenses that no other game maker has.

    So yeah I'm still with FIFA.

    have you even tried the game ?
     

    Majed

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    ++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
    Thats what I don't like Majed, the lack of these "real" Leagues. I don't like made up leagues because its not like reality at all. The Serie A, Champions League, and Coppa Italia are very impotant to me. Same thing with the internet gaming aspect in which Graham has stated that will be incorporated for months now, but to no prevail. And yes I also do like the special licenses that no other game maker has.

    So yeah I'm still with FIFA.
    Very well... I always knew you valued the "realism" very highly. You have a point too about the online gaming thing since not many of your friends are soccer-friendly. :)
     

    Bjerknes

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    ++ [ originally posted by Majed ] ++


    Very well... I always knew you valued the "realism" very highly. You have a point too about the online gaming thing since not many of your friends are soccer-friendly. :)
    Exactly. The two friends who I used to play with are at other colleges now, so I play against them online. I also play against Sergio, the only true Juve fan I ever talked to personally.
     

    Majed

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    cool... but when WE goes online you're going to get your ass to the store and buy that game, I'll give you 4 months to practice too... then It's kick-ass time....
     

    Majed

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    ++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
    If WE EVER goes online. :D
    ouch!! :D


    As far as I'm concerned, it's not that important... most of my friends play WE anyway... when we're all together, we make a little knock-out ternament or we play 2 v. 2 teams (very fun and challanging) or 3 v. 3 (very messy!! It's hillarious)
     

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