Federico Gatti (66 Viewers)

s4tch

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Mar 23, 2015
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Amazing that people are blaming him for the own goal. That is 100% on Di Gregorio.

He was impeccable against Milan and overall one of our best players this season. With him and Bremer we are set in defence for the next 5-6 years. No way in hell do we need to go all out for a CB. Just a substitute for Bremer while he's out. Clearly Kalulu is not it.
- gatti was unlucky with that touch, he was still at the wrong place
- di gregorio did the right movement. a milan player was alone in the middle, if the cross gets to him and the goalie is still on the line, it's an easy sitter. he had to come out of the line
- gatti wasn't impeccable against milan. his passing was, his movement, positioning weren't
- he's far from being a top5 cb in the league unfortunately. even if you ignore bremer, buongiorno, bastoni, de vrij, scalvini, hien, pavard, tomori, pavlovic are better. he's good to have in the squad as he's cheap and relatively reliable, but if you want a league winning team, he's supposed to be a backup
 

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Zzak

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Sep 11, 2014
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- gatti was unlucky with that touch, he was still at the wrong place
- di gregorio did the right movement. a milan player was alone in the middle, if the cross gets to him and the goalie is still on the line, it's an easy sitter. he had to come out of the line
- gatti wasn't impeccable against milan. his passing was, his movement, positioning weren't
- he's far from being a top5 cb in the league unfortunately. even if you ignore bremer, buongiorno, bastoni, de vrij, scalvini, hien, pavard, tomori, pavlovic are better. he's good to have in the squad as he's cheap and relatively reliable, but if you want a league winning team, he's supposed to be a backup
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De vrij, Pavlovic and tomori are shit compared to Gatti. But I'll give you the rest of the players and I'll add in Acerbi as well who is far superior to De Vrij.
However, they belong to Napoli, Inter and Atalanta so they are basically untouchable. So as long as we can't buy them I think Gatti is easily a starter for us. Unless we find a good prospect outside of Italy that we can grow. Although I've had my fair share of De Ligts. And yes, Gatti is superior to De Ligt. I would not even do a straight swap between them at this point.
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
23,990
Amazing that people are blaming him for the own goal. That is 100% on Di Gregorio.

He was impeccable against Milan and overall one of our best players this season. With him and Bremer we are set in defence for the next 5-6 years. No way in hell do we need to go all out for a CB. Just a substitute for Bremer while he's out. Clearly Kalulu is not it.
Gatti, Kalulu, Savona arent nearly good enough if we want to compete. Those are mediocre players. I chuckle thinking of our current backline. Its just commically bad.
 

Stevie

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Mar 30, 2003
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Gatti, Kalulu, Savona arent nearly good enough if we want to compete. Those are mediocre players. I chuckle thinking of our current backline. Its just commically bad.
This is why I'm not completely against Motta yet. He is playing with crumbs and has still managed to stay undefeated in the league.

With a stronger defence including Bremer alot of draws would have surely been wins.
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
23,990
This is why I'm not completely against Motta yet. He is playing with crumbs and has still managed to stay undefeated in the league.

With a stronger defence including Bremer alot of draws would have surely been wins.
The problem is our play in the final 3rd. We are not creating enough to kill the game before our defense crumbles. Our endless sideways passing is easy to defend against. We had plenty of goaless draws this season. If we are playing the same way each game how can we expect different results? I just dont see it. Slight hope left but I feel his days are numbered if we see more of the same results in January. Let me remind you, 11 wins in 26 games...
 

juve123

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Aug 10, 2017
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The problem is our play in the final 3rd. We are not creating enough to kill the game before our defense crumbles. Our endless sideways passing is easy to defend against. We had plenty of goaless draws this season. If we are playing the same way each game how can we expect different results? I just dont see it. Slight hope left but I feel his days are numbered if we see more of the same results in January. Let me remind you, 11 wins in 26 games...
Why so judgemental? We will sign couple of defenders and Zirkzee who was pivotal to Motta system and then you can judge Motta in April or May if the results don't come.
 

rainhard

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May 5, 2004
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The problem is our play in the final 3rd. We are not creating enough to kill the game before our defense crumbles. Our endless sideways passing is easy to defend against. We had plenty of goaless draws this season. If we are playing the same way each game how can we expect different results? I just dont see it. Slight hope left but I feel his days are numbered if we see more of the same results in January. Let me remind you, 11 wins in 26 games...
I did sense that it is like we drop our thirst to score a goal after we lead, it is a complacency, when we are in need of a goal, we look for it aggressively high press here and there, but once we lead, we think lets try again next time,now retreat, lets try again next time, almost, retreat, lets try again, almost, lets defend the lead, uh oh the opponent become more aggressive, the fear is coming in, and eventually the shit happen, rinse and repeat
 

Stevie

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Mar 30, 2003
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I did sense that it is like we drop our thirst to score a goal after we lead, it is a complacency, when we are in need of a goal, we look for it aggressively high press here and there, but once we lead, we think lets try again next time,now retreat, lets try again next time, almost, retreat, lets try again, almost, lets defend the lead, uh oh the opponent become more aggressive, the fear is coming in, and eventually the shit happen, rinse and repeat
This was a huge part of Allegri's Juve. The only difference now is that we don't have the players to defend a lead.

We have to change this way of thinking. It's the most negative and boring football I have ever seen.
 

Lion

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Jan 24, 2007
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This is why I'm not completely against Motta yet. He is playing with crumbs and has still managed to stay undefeated in the league.

With a stronger defence including Bremer alot of draws would have surely been wins.

The best defense is offense.

If motta would train the offensive players to play better it would not be a problem cruising past these teams
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
23,990
I did sense that it is like we drop our thirst to score a goal after we lead, it is a complacency, when we are in need of a goal, we look for it aggressively high press here and there, but once we lead, we think lets try again next time,now retreat, lets try again next time, almost, retreat, lets try again, almost, lets defend the lead, uh oh the opponent become more aggressive, the fear is coming in, and eventually the shit happen, rinse and repeat
I cant even celebrate when we score because we have dropped the lead so many times. Allegri was a master considering how many points he had won with a shit squad. Bremer's injury is a huge blow, but I consider this squad stronger than last year. We have more options in attack and midfield. However, our offensive game is pathetic. Unfortunately Motta's inexperience shows in each game. Every manager outsmarts him. His subs regularly kill our game.

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This was a huge part of Allegri's Juve. The only difference now is that we don't have the players to defend a lead.

We have to change this way of thinking. It's the most negative and boring football I have ever seen.
We didnt have players last year either, Alex SandROFL, DaniLOL.... But Allegri found a way to consolidate our defense. Motta is a rookie.
 

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