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ronaldo could have accepted 8m to play for jj. he asked for 31m instead.
adorableronaldo could have accepted 8m to play for jj. he asked for 31m instead.
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It's not just that. His annual "loyalty bonuses" and short term deals to hold the club hostage to do what he wanted.
He absolutely financially crippled that club, and they didnt have the balls to ever tell him no. It's funny, because it fucked over Barcelona and essentially ended up wasting the rest of Messi's club career.
His farewell to Barcelona fans was getting humiliated by Bayern in the Champions League, PSG was a massive failure, and now he's wasting away his final years in the MLS.
He absolutely financially crippled that club, and they didnt have the balls to ever tell him no. It's funny, because it fucked over Barcelona and essentially ended up wasting the rest of Messi's club career.
His farewell to Barcelona fans was getting humiliated by Bayern in the Champions League, PSG was a massive failure, and now he's wasting away his final years in the MLS.
Wasting away his final years? Dude he's completed football. Won the World Cup at 35, multiple Copa's overseeing one of the most successful periods in Argentina's history. What more does he need to do lol
As for Barca, they blew nearly a billion on some horrible transfers. They were spending more money than City while he was there. Not to mention all the massive long term contracts of their senatori like Pique, Alba, Busquets and the likes.
The difference between Madrid and Barca is Madrid refreshed their squad with young talents they scouted and poached early like Vinicius, Valverde, Camavinga and a very smart free transfers like Rudiger and Alaba while Barca went for hollywood style transfers.
Saying Messi crippled the club financially is a very lazy and convenient narrative. Another one of your 'hot takes' I guess.
There's something called having a competent management which Barca have been missing for almost a decade now.
As for Barca, they blew nearly a billion on some horrible transfers. They were spending more money than City while he was there. Not to mention all the massive long term contracts of their senatori like Pique, Alba, Busquets and the likes.
The difference between Madrid and Barca is Madrid refreshed their squad with young talents they scouted and poached early like Vinicius, Valverde, Camavinga and a very smart free transfers like Rudiger and Alaba while Barca went for hollywood style transfers.
Saying Messi crippled the club financially is a very lazy and convenient narrative. Another one of your 'hot takes' I guess.
There's something called having a competent management which Barca have been missing for almost a decade now.
I said "wasting the rest of Messi's club career," which is what he did post-Barcelona. His PSG tenure was a massive failure that no one cares about and now he's in the MLS.
And yeah, you got the "incompetent management" part right. Why do you think all of Messi's buddies got paid? Why did Barcelona sign all those expensive players in the transfer market?
it's like Lebron in the NBA, when he and his cronies run the show and make all the decisions behind the scenes, or threaten to leave because of his short term contracts.
When you give a player all that power to do what he demands, that is what happens. But they had no choice. If they didnt give in to all of his demands and he'd leave (and let his PR team throw the club under the bus on the way out), they would have revolted.
Luckily for Barcelona, the league did the dirty work for them. Otherwise, they might've be like Bordeaux.
If you dont think Messi is responsible for their situation right now, and didnt milk that club for every cent he could get, you're clueless. That doesnt happen at Real Madrid because they let no player be bigger than the club.
And yeah, you got the "incompetent management" part right. Why do you think all of Messi's buddies got paid? Why did Barcelona sign all those expensive players in the transfer market?
it's like Lebron in the NBA, when he and his cronies run the show and make all the decisions behind the scenes, or threaten to leave because of his short term contracts.
When you give a player all that power to do what he demands, that is what happens. But they had no choice. If they didnt give in to all of his demands and he'd leave (and let his PR team throw the club under the bus on the way out), they would have revolted.
Luckily for Barcelona, the league did the dirty work for them. Otherwise, they might've be like Bordeaux.
If you dont think Messi is responsible for their situation right now, and didnt milk that club for every cent he could get, you're clueless. That doesnt happen at Real Madrid because they let no player be bigger than the club.
There's nothing to defend. Barcelona keeping Messi and giving in to his demands financially crippled Barcelona. He absolutely held the club hostage to get what he wanted.
I never said it wasn't worth it or they wouldnt do it again if they had the choice, because of everything they accomplished.
But I compared it to Lebron. Lebron goes into a situation, takes over control and runs the show, and then leaves that franchise in a devastating situation. The funny thing about that is, the only time he had zero power was in Miami, where he had the most success, and the team didnt crumble once he left. But he crippled Cleveland (twice) and is doing the same in LA.
I never said it wasn't worth it or they wouldnt do it again if they had the choice, because of everything they accomplished.
But I compared it to Lebron. Lebron goes into a situation, takes over control and runs the show, and then leaves that franchise in a devastating situation. The funny thing about that is, the only time he had zero power was in Miami, where he had the most success, and the team didnt crumble once he left. But he crippled Cleveland (twice) and is doing the same in LA.
messi trophies won:
La Liga: 10 titles
Copa del Rey: 7 titles
Supercopa de España: 7 titles
UEFA Champions League: 4 titles
UEFA Super Cup: 3 titles
FIFA Club World Cup: 3 titles
Ligue 1 : 2 titles
world cup: 1 title
copa america: 2
ballon d'or: 8 titles
golden shoes: 6 titles
CL top scorer: 6 times
La liga best player: 8 times
La liga top scorer: 8 times
when you win all that playing for one of the 2 best teams in the world no one cares wht he did when he left. he was already goat status when he left barca. he had nothing to prove.
La Liga: 10 titles
Copa del Rey: 7 titles
Supercopa de España: 7 titles
UEFA Champions League: 4 titles
UEFA Super Cup: 3 titles
FIFA Club World Cup: 3 titles
Ligue 1 : 2 titles
world cup: 1 title
copa america: 2
ballon d'or: 8 titles
golden shoes: 6 titles
CL top scorer: 6 times
La liga best player: 8 times
La liga top scorer: 8 times
when you win all that playing for one of the 2 best teams in the world no one cares wht he did when he left. he was already goat status when he left barca. he had nothing to prove.
Where did I say he had anything to prove or diminished his accomplishments?
I just said he wasted those years of his career. And he WANTED to stay at Barcelona, but couldnt, because he crippled them financially. Remember his press conference where he was crying after it was announced they couldnt keep him?
He'd probably be finishing out his career at Barca soon if the didnt destroy the club from the inside --- to which I also said "I never said it wasn't worth it or they wouldnt do it again if they had the choice, because of everything they accomplished."
I just said he wasted those years of his career. And he WANTED to stay at Barcelona, but couldnt, because he crippled them financially. Remember his press conference where he was crying after it was announced they couldnt keep him?
He'd probably be finishing out his career at Barca soon if the didnt destroy the club from the inside --- to which I also said "I never said it wasn't worth it or they wouldnt do it again if they had the choice, because of everything they accomplished."
We started off the summer with rumors about a sell for no less than €30M which even that was getting people riled up thinking we’d lose a key player and won’t be able to find someone as good for that kind of money, then it seemed we’ve lowered the bar and said that anything over €20M would be decent enough at this stage…
Fast forward to now and we are reading rumors of only being offered €10M by Barca and that we are holding out for at least €15M or so.
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That’s bad business and bad planning whatever way we look at it, losing him for this cheap shouldn’t have happened, ofc no less thanks to Chiesa himself who’s been an ungrateful prick that now seems willing to lower his salary to go somewhere else after burning all bridges with us for asking absurd wages, but still.
Fast forward to now and we are reading rumors of only being offered €10M by Barca and that we are holding out for at least €15M or so.
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That’s bad business and bad planning whatever way we look at it, losing him for this cheap shouldn’t have happened, ofc no less thanks to Chiesa himself who’s been an ungrateful prick that now seems willing to lower his salary to go somewhere else after burning all bridges with us for asking absurd wages, but still.