Federico Chiesa (32 Viewers)

[Bianconero81]

No, he isn't. Even if he is, he has every fucking right to be, when he's consistently being deployed out of a position. If I were playing for Failegri, I would have probably punched him and spit in his face. Thank fuck I'm not a footballer.

 

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[s4tch]

he is a primadonna, but i get his frustration. he played a good game, he should have stayed on. and being subbed out at 60-70 minutes. he has only 6 full matches this season, of course he's disappointed

 

[TheLaz]

This anger is what players need to have. It shows you that he cares. It's grinta and determination to win

 

[Osman]

Nothing primadonna about it. We seen true primadonnas. This a player who is already frustrated with coming back from long and labourous injury.


On top of that he plays under a coach who insists to play him out of position, play defensive low block that yells at any player taking attacking risks. And when they finally attack, gameplan is defenders back passing for 30 passes until isolated attacker is forced to run into pack defences.


And on top of that even when you are playing you are subbed out like clock work at 60 evey time?


He is more patient then primadonna at this point. Because this whole sitaution is nonsensical. Even if he hasn't personally played well and suffered from regaining his former form after injury. This is bizzare working conditions he is under.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Allegri's a retard.

 

[campionesidd]

Allegri's a retard.

He has Alzheimers

Big difference.

 

[TheLaz]

Nothing primadonna about it. We seen true primadonnas. This a player who is already frustrated with coming back from long and labourous injury.


On top of that he plays under a coach who insists to play him out of position, play defensive low block that yells at any player taking attacking risks. And when they finally attack, gameplan is defenders back passing for 30 passes until isolated attacker is forced to run into pack defences.


And on top of that even when you are playing you are subbed out like clock work at 60 evey time?


He is more patient then primadonna at this point. Because this whole sitaution is nonsensical. Even if he hasn't personally played well and suffered from regaining his former form after injury. This is bizzare working conditions he is under.

Post of the year

 

[Brny44]

Nothing primadonna about it. We seen true primadonnas. This a player who is already frustrated with coming back from long and labourous injury.


On top of that he plays under a coach who insists to play him out of position, play defensive low block that yells at any player taking attacking risks. And when they finally attack, gameplan is defenders back passing for 30 passes until isolated attacker is forced to run into pack defences.


And on top of that even when you are playing you are subbed out like clock work at 60 evey time?


He is more patient then primadonna at this point. Because this whole sitaution is nonsensical. Even if he hasn't personally played well and suffered from regaining his former form after injury. This is bizzare working conditions he is under.

Users who didnt like this post because they think that it's not the coach but the players

- vlad
- patshitsi
- juve123
- and a few others...

The usual suspects...the same ammount of brain cells like ultras.

 

[Sadomin]

Nothing primadonna about it. We seen true primadonnas. This a player who is already frustrated with coming back from long and labourous injury.


On top of that he plays under a coach who insists to play him out of position, play defensive low block that yells at any player taking attacking risks. And when they finally attack, gameplan is defenders back passing for 30 passes until isolated attacker is forced to run into pack defences.


And on top of that even when you are playing you are subbed out like clock work at 60 evey time?


He is more patient then primadonna at this point. Because this whole sitaution is nonsensical. Even if he hasn't personally played well and suffered from regaining his former form after injury. This is bizzare working conditions he is under.

This. Reminds me of Del Piero vs Capello, i.e. a successful and stubborn manager who simply can't fit in certain types of underperforming star players (post-injury) in their pragmatic approach to football. Chiesa to bounce back like ADP?

 

[loyada]

This. Reminds me of Del Piero vs Capello, i.e. a successful and stubborn manager who simply can't fit in certain types of underperforming star players (post-injury) in their pragmatic approach to football. Chiesa to bounce back like ADP?

Capello was stubborn and hardly deviated from his 4-4-2, same as Carlo Ancelotti at the beginning of his career, in his book Il mio albero di Natale , he describes how he forced Zola to play wide which prompted him leaving for Chelsea, and how how he vetoed Roberto Baggio joining Parma for tactical reason. But for his credit, he regretted both of these decisions later, became more flexible tactically and success followed.

https://sport.sky.it/calciomercato/...997-roberto-baggio-al-parma-ancelotti-dice-no

 

[Osman]

Users who didnt like this post because they think that it's not the coach but the players

- vlad
- patshitsi
- juve123
- and a few others...

The usual suspects...the same ammount of brain cells like ultras.

Please for the love of God, don't start bringing the tribalistic kindergarten mudfight in this thread. I avoid the repetitive Allegri thread for a reason, want to retain my braincells as much as possible.


Let's just focus on discussing football and not toxic gotcha moments.

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This. Reminds me of Del Piero vs Capello, i.e. a successful and stubborn manager who simply can't fit in certain types of underperforming star players (post-injury) in their pragmatic approach to football. Chiesa to bounce back like ADP?

Yup. It's Allegri 2.0 only too (he was more adaptive and less infantile first stint), the more his football fail the more stubborn and abrasive he becomes (he left Milan beefing with half the roster).

Chiesa is a big boy and star name so he can take it. I worry more for the young players he throws under the bus in press conferences, or for silly stuff like hairstyles, or audibly yells at games for trying to play their game instead of pass back or waste time. Those kinda small moments can have negative impact on the development of a youngster.

 

[JuveJay]

Think his juventino father will still have some influence on his future.

 

[Osman]

Think his juventino father will still have some influence on his future.

Enrico is Juventino? Didn't know that. Odd he never played for us. Tho truthfully he wasn't good enough for Juve level, more midtable striker.

 

[JuveJay]

Enrico is Juventino? Didn't know that. Odd he never played for us. Tho truthfully he wasn't good enough for Juve level, more midtable striker.

"Ho un solo rammarico: quello di non aver mai vestito la maglia della Juventus, che ha sempre rappresentato il mio punto di riferimento".
- Italian Tony Cottee

 

[magician]

Enrico is Juventino? Didn't know that. Odd he never played for us. Tho truthfully he wasn't good enough for Juve level, more midtable striker.

Midtable striker? I'd take Enrico over Dybala, and Mandzukic, possibly even over Higuain after his record breaking season. Enrico played at the time when Italian strikers were at their peak in the talent pool.

 

[Osman]

Midtable striker? I'd take Enrico over Dybala, and Mandzukic, possibly even over Higuain after his record breaking season. Enrico played at the time when Italian strikers were at their peak in the talent pool.

Total and utter bull. Watched most his career, and he was quick counter attacking mid level striker for starting position. He could been at Juve as backup at best (Amoruso type role). Had 2 seasons or so of being consistent top chart scorer in Samp and Fiorentina, decent 5 year stretch being called up for Azzurri in fringe role, otherwise he was typical small or middtable striker. A cup specialist more then consistent top league scorer.


Higauin is one of the best top strikers of his era, Chiesa Sr nowhere close to him. Not even in same stratosphere.


Not even worth replying to the Dybala bit, dude being a successful key figure in Juve most his days with 115 goals total and all around creative force, is way better then a speedster striker spent most his days in Samp or Siena. Dybala is not primarily a scorer but still has a better scoring average.


I know we have rose tinted nostalgia vision of all things golden era 90s Serie A. But total bull to suggest just that.



What's next Mark Luliano was better then current era CBs?

 

[JuveJay]

I think Enrico Chiesa was better than you're giving him credit for, but agree re Dybala.

He often wasn't the established first choice striker or focal point of attack but once he was at Fiorentina he had a great season and then got killed by a serious knee injury. He was basically in his twilight years once he returned.

I'm pretty sure that injury-free at age, say, 25-32 he'd have comfortably been a 20+ goal per season striker in current Serie A and first choice forward for Italy.

 

[Osman]

I think Enrico Chiesa was better than you're giving him credit for, but agree re Dybala.

He often wasn't the established first choice striker or focal point of attack but once he was at Fiorentina he had a great season and then got killed by a serious knee injury. He was basically in his twilight years once he returned.

I'm pretty sure that injury-free at age, say, 25-32 he'd have comfortably been a 20+ goal per season striker in current Serie A and first choice forward for Italy.

I rate him for his young season in Samp, profilic, and later in Viola where he was the man for a season. If he kept up that type of level I would agreed with y'll, that's the level Higauin and Dybala been able to maintain since they were young (until injuries or Big Mac binges).


I know he was slowed down by injuries. But strictly focusing on what he did for the comparison, tho the what if scenario can be acknowledged. And imo what he achieved production wise (only 2 seasons of high level scoring when a scorer was his main skillset) and stayed strictly at midtable or small sides whole career, it's insulting to Higauin or Dybala to say he was better than them.


Still a good player, but would been mainly bench player for Juve back then. But it's also good for him he didn't join a top club in a way, because being the main guy in smaller side paid well back then.




P.S Being first choice for current Azzurri only requires a passport and a pulse, he would been easily better then current options.

 

[Kevster]

Lol imagine calling chiesa a primadonna

Clueless fans

 

[Tak!]

Maybe we should the fine for Chiesa should be written down as "should have caused more fuss earlier" as a signal towards Allegri to leave.