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Juventus plan to take sanctions case to courts threatens football season
Juventus, the Italian football club found guilty of match fixing, is expected to abandon the sports justice system and turn to an Italian administrative court in its fight to overturn sanctions imposed by a football federation tribunal last month.
The bold move could lead football officials to suspend the opening of Italy's football season and would challenge the current dispute resolution system imposed by Uefa and Fifa, the organisations that manage European and world football.
The board of Juventus will meet today to discuss the move, which is being recommended by Giovanni Cobolli Gigli, the club's chairman and Jean Claude Blanc, chief executive, people close to the situation told the FT over the weekend. Ifil, the Agnelli family holding company that owns 60 per cent of the club, is also said to support the action.
The proposal to turn to the regular courts follows the failure last Friday of Italy's Olympic committee to mediate between Juventus and Federcalcio, the Italian football league. This was the club's second appeal since July 14, when it was relegated to Serie B and stripped of its last two Italian championship titles.
If, as expected, the board agrees to turn to the regular judicial system, it would be the first move outside the sports justice system by one of the clubs involved in Italy's latest football scandal. Alternatively, Juventus could accept the current punishment or appeal to an Olympic committee arbiter.
The club's appeal to the Lazio region's administrative court would be on the basis that Juventus was punished disproportionately and that it has suffered tens of millions of euros in damages as a result of being relegated to Serie B. The three other clubs found guilty of match- fixing were sanctioned only with a points deduction but not relegation.
Juventus is expected to continue its demand for a return to the premier league and restitution of its championship title for the 2005/06 season.
A decision in favour of Juventus would also probably nullify the sanctions against the other clubs involved in the scandal, creating uncertainty as to which teams make up the A and B leagues. This possibility might force Federcalcio to suspend the football season opening.
It would also challenge Uefa and Fifa rules on dispute resolution, which restrict recourse to the sports justice system. Appeal to a regular court could lead to Juventus being expelled from both organisations.
Financial Times
Juventus, the Italian football club found guilty of match fixing, is expected to abandon the sports justice system and turn to an Italian administrative court in its fight to overturn sanctions imposed by a football federation tribunal last month.
The bold move could lead football officials to suspend the opening of Italy's football season and would challenge the current dispute resolution system imposed by Uefa and Fifa, the organisations that manage European and world football.
The board of Juventus will meet today to discuss the move, which is being recommended by Giovanni Cobolli Gigli, the club's chairman and Jean Claude Blanc, chief executive, people close to the situation told the FT over the weekend. Ifil, the Agnelli family holding company that owns 60 per cent of the club, is also said to support the action.
The proposal to turn to the regular courts follows the failure last Friday of Italy's Olympic committee to mediate between Juventus and Federcalcio, the Italian football league. This was the club's second appeal since July 14, when it was relegated to Serie B and stripped of its last two Italian championship titles.
If, as expected, the board agrees to turn to the regular judicial system, it would be the first move outside the sports justice system by one of the clubs involved in Italy's latest football scandal. Alternatively, Juventus could accept the current punishment or appeal to an Olympic committee arbiter.
The club's appeal to the Lazio region's administrative court would be on the basis that Juventus was punished disproportionately and that it has suffered tens of millions of euros in damages as a result of being relegated to Serie B. The three other clubs found guilty of match- fixing were sanctioned only with a points deduction but not relegation.
Juventus is expected to continue its demand for a return to the premier league and restitution of its championship title for the 2005/06 season.
A decision in favour of Juventus would also probably nullify the sanctions against the other clubs involved in the scandal, creating uncertainty as to which teams make up the A and B leagues. This possibility might force Federcalcio to suspend the football season opening.
It would also challenge Uefa and Fifa rules on dispute resolution, which restrict recourse to the sports justice system. Appeal to a regular court could lead to Juventus being expelled from both organisations.
Financial Times
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cobolli gigli will defend the honor of juve
what you think
please discuss
http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Squadre/Juventus/Primo_Piano/2006/08_Agosto/21/cobolli.shtml
Cobolli: "Difendo l'onore Juve"
Oggi il c.d.a. bianconero voterà il ricorso al Tar, fondato sia sull'aspetto dell'equità che del danno patrimoniale provocato. Il presidente: "Chiediamo di essere trattati come gli altri"
Giovanni Cobolli Gigli, presidente della Juve. ApTORINO, 21 agosto 2006 - Stamattina alle 10 si tiene l’ennesimo drammatico c.d.a. della Juve in questo 2006. Fallita la conciliazione del Coni, la società — e la proprietà, vista la presenza in consiglio dell’amministratore delegato della Ifil Carlo Sant’Albano — voteranno il ricorso al Tar. Senza arroganza, ma con fermezza. Significa uscire dall’ambito della giustizia sportiva e un’escalation del confronto fra il club e la Federazione. Nel caso in cui il Tar, che si riunisce il 6 settembre, sospendesse o annullasse le decisioni della Corte federale la Figc si vedrebbe bloccare i campionati a tre giorni dal via.
Presidente Cobolli Gigli, si rende conto della portata e delle conseguenze di quello che state per fare?
"Noi abbiamo il dovere di salvaguardare l’onore della squadra, dei giocatori, di 12 milioni di tifosi, nonché il patrimonio della società. E la lettura delle motivazioni della seconda sentenza, quella della Corte federale, ha rafforzato la nostra convinzione di essere nel giusto quando chiediamo un trattamento uguale a quello delle altre società, che sono state riammesse in serie A. E’ quello che abbiamo fatto presente in primo luogo venerdì, in sede di conciliazione, ancor prima delle considerazioni sul danno patrimoniale".
Non vi hanno ascoltato?
"Il fatto è che la Federazione non ha proposto assolutamente nulla. Noi abbiamo fatto richieste precise, cioè la serie A con penalizzazione e la restituzione dello scudetto 2005-06, che non era sotto giudizio. I rappresentanti della Figc invece, dopo un lungo giro di tavolo a cui erano presenti anche le società terze, hanno detto che al massimo potevano esaminare una revisione della pena pecuniaria e del numero di giornate di squalifica del campo. Ci siamo lasciati con rammarico, almeno da parte nostra".
E ora?
"Adesso abbiamo due strade. La prima, che batteremo di sicuro, è quella di ricorrere all’ultimo grado della giustizia sportiva, ovvero l’Arbitrato del Coni. Farò io stesso la proposta al cda. Ma siccome i tempi sono troppo lunghi per una decisione (cioè dopo il 9 settembre, giorno dell’inizio dei campionati, ndr), discuteremo approfonditamente anche del ricorso al Tar, che è più tempestivo. Poi sarà il consiglio a decidere".
Su cosa fonderete il ricorso alla giustizia ordinaria?
"Sia sull’aspetto dell’equità, vista la grande disparità delle sentenze, sia su quello del danno patrimoniale".
Detto che martedì si potrà intuire l’orientamento del Tar di fronte ai ricorsi di Moggi e di Giraudo, voi cosa vi aspettate?
"Il Tar ha il potere di sospendere delle decisioni. Ma qualora ravvisasse un danno sproporzionato rispetto alle possibilità economiche e dunque una lesione del diritto di concorrenza, c’è anche la possibilità che il giudice rinvii la questione alla Corte di giustizia Europea, competente in materia. Ed è per questo che ci siamo rivolti all’avvocato Dupont (quello di Bosman, ndr)".
A quel punto chiedereste i danni alla Federazione?
"Sarebbe una conseguenza. Sì, in prospettiva c’è anche questa ipotesi".
freetranslation
Cobolli Lilies: "I should save the honor Juve" (Gazette of the Sport) Today the c. d. to. bianconero will vote the recourse to the Tar: "It ask to to be treated like the other club". This morning to 10 it is held the umpteenth dramatic c. d. to. of the Juve in this 2006. Failed the settlement of the Cone, the society — and the property, seen the presence in advice of the director delegated some Ifil Carlo Sant' Alban — will vote the recourse to the Tar. In the case in which the Tar, that it is reunited 6 September, suspended or canceled the decisions of the federal Court the Figc would have been seen to block the championships to three days from the road.
President Cobolli Lilies, it is given back account of the course and of the results of what you are about to do? "We have the duty of to safeguard the honor of the squad, of the gamblers, of 12 millions of fans, as well as the property of the society. And the reading of the justifications of the second sentence, that of the federal Court, strengthened our conviction of to be in the correctly when we ask an equal treatment to that of the other society, that you were riammesse in series TO. And 'what we did present in first place Friday, in seat of settlement, still before the consideration on the property damage".
They did not listen to yourselves? "It make is that the Federation did not propose absolutely nothing. We did precise requests, that is to say the series TO with penalty and the return of the badge 2005-06, that is not under judgment. The representatives of the Figc instead, after a long turn of table to that were present also the third society, said that to the utmost were able to examine a revision of the financial trouble and of the number of days of disqualifies some field. We are left ourselves with regret, at least aside ours".
And now? "Now we have two roads. The first one, that we will beat of secure, is that of to run back the last degree of the sporty justice, that is aribrated it of the Cone. Farò I same the proposal to the cda. But since the times are too long for a decision (that is to say after 9 September, day of the beginning of the championships, editor's note), we will discuss deepened also of the recourse to the Tar, that is timelier. Then it will be the advice to decide".
On thing you will melt the recourse to the ordinary justice? "It is on the appearance of the equity, seen the large disparity of the sentences, is on that of the property damage. The Tar has the power of to suspend some decisions. But in case it recognized a disproportionate damage with respect to the economical possibility and therefore an injury of the law of competition, there is also the possibility that the judge you return the matter to the European Court of justice, competing about. And it is for this that there we are you upset the lawyer Dupont (that of Bosman, editor's note)".
To that I push you would ask the damages to the Federation? "It has been a result. Yes, in perspective there it is also this hypothesis".
what you think
please discuss
http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Squadre/Juventus/Primo_Piano/2006/08_Agosto/21/cobolli.shtml
Cobolli: "Difendo l'onore Juve"
Oggi il c.d.a. bianconero voterà il ricorso al Tar, fondato sia sull'aspetto dell'equità che del danno patrimoniale provocato. Il presidente: "Chiediamo di essere trattati come gli altri"
Giovanni Cobolli Gigli, presidente della Juve. ApTORINO, 21 agosto 2006 - Stamattina alle 10 si tiene l’ennesimo drammatico c.d.a. della Juve in questo 2006. Fallita la conciliazione del Coni, la società — e la proprietà, vista la presenza in consiglio dell’amministratore delegato della Ifil Carlo Sant’Albano — voteranno il ricorso al Tar. Senza arroganza, ma con fermezza. Significa uscire dall’ambito della giustizia sportiva e un’escalation del confronto fra il club e la Federazione. Nel caso in cui il Tar, che si riunisce il 6 settembre, sospendesse o annullasse le decisioni della Corte federale la Figc si vedrebbe bloccare i campionati a tre giorni dal via.
Presidente Cobolli Gigli, si rende conto della portata e delle conseguenze di quello che state per fare?
"Noi abbiamo il dovere di salvaguardare l’onore della squadra, dei giocatori, di 12 milioni di tifosi, nonché il patrimonio della società. E la lettura delle motivazioni della seconda sentenza, quella della Corte federale, ha rafforzato la nostra convinzione di essere nel giusto quando chiediamo un trattamento uguale a quello delle altre società, che sono state riammesse in serie A. E’ quello che abbiamo fatto presente in primo luogo venerdì, in sede di conciliazione, ancor prima delle considerazioni sul danno patrimoniale".
Non vi hanno ascoltato?
"Il fatto è che la Federazione non ha proposto assolutamente nulla. Noi abbiamo fatto richieste precise, cioè la serie A con penalizzazione e la restituzione dello scudetto 2005-06, che non era sotto giudizio. I rappresentanti della Figc invece, dopo un lungo giro di tavolo a cui erano presenti anche le società terze, hanno detto che al massimo potevano esaminare una revisione della pena pecuniaria e del numero di giornate di squalifica del campo. Ci siamo lasciati con rammarico, almeno da parte nostra".
E ora?
"Adesso abbiamo due strade. La prima, che batteremo di sicuro, è quella di ricorrere all’ultimo grado della giustizia sportiva, ovvero l’Arbitrato del Coni. Farò io stesso la proposta al cda. Ma siccome i tempi sono troppo lunghi per una decisione (cioè dopo il 9 settembre, giorno dell’inizio dei campionati, ndr), discuteremo approfonditamente anche del ricorso al Tar, che è più tempestivo. Poi sarà il consiglio a decidere".
Su cosa fonderete il ricorso alla giustizia ordinaria?
"Sia sull’aspetto dell’equità, vista la grande disparità delle sentenze, sia su quello del danno patrimoniale".
Detto che martedì si potrà intuire l’orientamento del Tar di fronte ai ricorsi di Moggi e di Giraudo, voi cosa vi aspettate?
"Il Tar ha il potere di sospendere delle decisioni. Ma qualora ravvisasse un danno sproporzionato rispetto alle possibilità economiche e dunque una lesione del diritto di concorrenza, c’è anche la possibilità che il giudice rinvii la questione alla Corte di giustizia Europea, competente in materia. Ed è per questo che ci siamo rivolti all’avvocato Dupont (quello di Bosman, ndr)".
A quel punto chiedereste i danni alla Federazione?
"Sarebbe una conseguenza. Sì, in prospettiva c’è anche questa ipotesi".
freetranslation
Cobolli Lilies: "I should save the honor Juve" (Gazette of the Sport) Today the c. d. to. bianconero will vote the recourse to the Tar: "It ask to to be treated like the other club". This morning to 10 it is held the umpteenth dramatic c. d. to. of the Juve in this 2006. Failed the settlement of the Cone, the society — and the property, seen the presence in advice of the director delegated some Ifil Carlo Sant' Alban — will vote the recourse to the Tar. In the case in which the Tar, that it is reunited 6 September, suspended or canceled the decisions of the federal Court the Figc would have been seen to block the championships to three days from the road.
President Cobolli Lilies, it is given back account of the course and of the results of what you are about to do? "We have the duty of to safeguard the honor of the squad, of the gamblers, of 12 millions of fans, as well as the property of the society. And the reading of the justifications of the second sentence, that of the federal Court, strengthened our conviction of to be in the correctly when we ask an equal treatment to that of the other society, that you were riammesse in series TO. And 'what we did present in first place Friday, in seat of settlement, still before the consideration on the property damage".
They did not listen to yourselves? "It make is that the Federation did not propose absolutely nothing. We did precise requests, that is to say the series TO with penalty and the return of the badge 2005-06, that is not under judgment. The representatives of the Figc instead, after a long turn of table to that were present also the third society, said that to the utmost were able to examine a revision of the financial trouble and of the number of days of disqualifies some field. We are left ourselves with regret, at least aside ours".
And now? "Now we have two roads. The first one, that we will beat of secure, is that of to run back the last degree of the sporty justice, that is aribrated it of the Cone. Farò I same the proposal to the cda. But since the times are too long for a decision (that is to say after 9 September, day of the beginning of the championships, editor's note), we will discuss deepened also of the recourse to the Tar, that is timelier. Then it will be the advice to decide".
On thing you will melt the recourse to the ordinary justice? "It is on the appearance of the equity, seen the large disparity of the sentences, is on that of the property damage. The Tar has the power of to suspend some decisions. But in case it recognized a disproportionate damage with respect to the economical possibility and therefore an injury of the law of competition, there is also the possibility that the judge you return the matter to the European Court of justice, competing about. And it is for this that there we are you upset the lawyer Dupont (that of Bosman, editor's note)".
To that I push you would ask the damages to the Federation? "It has been a result. Yes, in perspective there it is also this hypothesis".
Let's wait the ordinary courts to act before we say they are all corrupted. In the doping appeal we got justice, didn't we? And bribing a sportive FIGC judge is not the same as bribing a regular one.
Anyway, it was Rossi himself that said that all FIGC clubs would get excluded from the European competitions for a couple of years, if someone appealed to Tar.
I posted it a couple of pages back.
Anyway, it was Rossi himself that said that all FIGC clubs would get excluded from the European competitions for a couple of years, if someone appealed to Tar.
I posted it a couple of pages back.
It's official: we are going to Tar
Juventus to Appeal Demotion, Says Ruling Will Impact Sales Pagina 1/2
By Alessandra Migliaccio
Aug. 21 (Bloomberg) -- Juventus Football Club SpA, said it
the club's demotion to Division B for match fixing will appeal
to a regional court, after failing to reach agreement with
Italy's soccer federation to reduce the sentence.
``We have been forced to appeal to Lazio's regional court
in order to protect shareholders, third parties and fans,''
Juventus said in an e-mailed statement, following a board
meeting today. The team added that it may seek arbitration
through sports authorities.
Juventus said the impact of the verdict on revenue
will be ``drastic.''
Juventus failed to convince the Italian Olympic Committee,
which oversees all sports federations in Italy, to arbitrate
between the club and the national soccer federation, the club
said in a statement on Aug. 18. The federation organized the
sports court that ruled Juventus must begin next season in
Division B with a 17-point penalty.
--Editor: Davis.
Finally!
Juventus to Appeal Demotion, Says Ruling Will Impact Sales Pagina 1/2
By Alessandra Migliaccio
Aug. 21 (Bloomberg) -- Juventus Football Club SpA, said it
the club's demotion to Division B for match fixing will appeal
to a regional court, after failing to reach agreement with
Italy's soccer federation to reduce the sentence.
``We have been forced to appeal to Lazio's regional court
in order to protect shareholders, third parties and fans,''
Juventus said in an e-mailed statement, following a board
meeting today. The team added that it may seek arbitration
through sports authorities.
Juventus said the impact of the verdict on revenue
will be ``drastic.''
Juventus failed to convince the Italian Olympic Committee,
which oversees all sports federations in Italy, to arbitrate
between the club and the national soccer federation, the club
said in a statement on Aug. 18. The federation organized the
sports court that ruled Juventus must begin next season in
Division B with a 17-point penalty.
--Editor: Davis.
Finally!
am guessing thats wats going to happen.Since we r going to start the appeal on the 6th
and it would take at least two weeks for the verdict imo.
The thing thats a concern for is the Fifa and Uefa, they wouldnt want the appeal to succeed as there wont be any need for the sporting judicial system anymore.As the civil one would override it anyday.
and it would take at least two weeks for the verdict imo.
The thing thats a concern for is the Fifa and Uefa, they wouldnt want the appeal to succeed as there wont be any need for the sporting judicial system anymore.As the civil one would override it anyday.
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