Farsopoli(Calciopoli) (21 Viewers)

[serfaraaz]

Not Moratti, but Rossi had his own (left sided) party some years ago.

(And where were the wrongdoings? Even the sportive court admitted they haven't found anything)

no wrongdoing then why didnt coni send juve back to seriea:eyebrows:

 

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[C4ISR]

If Juve will win the Tar appeal, they'll (we) demand Figc 500 millions euro for the damages.

As much as i would like that to happen, it wont, at least not that amount. Re-paying Juve for damages is realistic though, but 500 mil, do the FIGC even have that kind of money?

 

[isha00]

I was quite sure they wouldn't have given us Serie A back..

can we appeal to the tar and do u think the european court will give us justice

We can appeal and, well, I think it's very possibile that they'll invalidate the verdicts, but I can't be 100% sure, cause I'm not part of either of them. :wink:
I guess we'll have to wait, see and hope Juve will be more decise in getting what they/we want, this time.
The only thing that worries me is that the pressure on the courts will be enormous, because, until the case is open, the championships won't start and if we'll win one of the appeals, FIGC will have to decide if they want to start with the sportive courts again (in this case we won't see italian calcio till at least october) or let it go.

 

[serfaraaz]

isha00 u seem to be optimistic before every appeal but then if we havent done wrong anything wrong according coni then why r we in serieb

 

[serfaraaz]

I was quite sure they wouldn't have given us Serie A back..

We can appeal and, well, I think it's very possibile that they'll invalidate the verdicts, but I can't be 100% sure, cause I'm not part of either of them. :wink:
I guess we'll have to wait, see and hope Juve will be more decise in getting what they/we want, this time.
The only thing that worries me is that the pressure on the courts will be enormous, because, until the case is open, the championships won't start and if we'll win one of the appeals, FIGC will have to decide if they want to start with the sportive courts again (in this case we won't see italian calcio till at least october) or let it go.

but u said coni will give us seriea status plus -30 points deductions

 

[isha00]

no wrongdoing then why didnt coni send juve back to seriea:eyebrows:

I could tell you that Rossi and his staff are interisti from head to toe, but I'll quote some statements of 2 of the judges of the first (I think) sportive trial, that were in an article I translated some days ago:

I should write about Juventus, I’ll talk about Inter. About Juventus everything was said by Piero Sandulli, the president of the federal court, not by Luciano Moggi: “There aren't any illicit behaviors, everything was regular, that championship wasn’t falsified, the only doubt was about Lecce-Parma”. And so, you’ll say, why B, 2 scudetti taken away, A in 2 years (if you think about it) and a raped grandma? This was explained by another judge of the court, a certain Mario Serio from Palermo, Sicily: “We tried to interpret a collective feeling, we listened to what the common people said and we tried to get in tune with them”. Very, very, very serious. And also the confirmation that the fraud was not moggiopoli, but rather “clean-calciopoli” . This joke called calciopoli could only be believed by our joke-of-a-country and now also the executioners are confirming it. So this is what happened: everything was legitimate, but since the drunk people of the bar under the curva sud wanted Juve to take it, judges had to make it so. But if they had to follow the “collective feeling”, wasn’t it easier to smack Moggi Luciano’s head?

 

[isha00]

but u said coni will give us seriea status plus -30 points deductions

Could give us -30 Serie A or penalized B. I said that cause that's what the rumors said. With a -30 A, or even a -20 A, we would get surely relegated, that's why it was possible.

 

[serfaraaz]

“We tried to interpret a collective feeling, we listened to what the common people said and we tried to get in tune with them”. okay this has confirmed that judicial system is corrupted by moratti or berlusconi

 

[serfaraaz]

Could give us -30 Serie A or penalized B. I said that cause that's what the rumors said. With a -30 A, or even a -20 A, we would get surely relegated, that's why it was possible.

yeah one year in serieb and the prospect of buffon leaving if we get back in seriea

 

[serfaraaz]

last question isha00 about tv rights deal with sky do uhave any idea how much the new renegotiated deal will be

 

[Adrian]

i wouldnt want to play in serie A with a deducted 30 point penalty simply because it will mean the season after we'll be in B anyway. Minus 30 points in serie A is way to hard to come back from.

Considering many of our key players have left the club already, paying juve for damages would be the best choice. it may be contradicting but the club already knows its playing in serie B, the youngsters are stepping up and there is a good unity at the moment. I think the FIGC should match the fees of what we lost our players for. That would be fair considering we sold our best players at lower fees than we would have if this whole saga never happened.

 

[white_rabbit]

IMO this is pure politics. now that berlisconi's government fallen the lefts are trying to destroy everything he established as a system. seireA right clubs "if there is such a thing" are the ones got involved in the scandal (what a coincidence ) and juve got the most punishment because of two things. 1- there is a myth that juve is above the law (if any team its milan .. birlesconi was the prime minister for gods sake ) 2-the media exploded over the moggi tapes which technically doesn’t prove anything but give the public an impression of guilt

as for the TAR. I don't know but what I had an impression of is that the appeal to the TAR could result in either nothing happening or the whole FIGC verdict will be invalid and we go back to seireA as if nothing happened... correct this information if its wrong

 

[HelterSkelter]

mark mentioned something about there being a possibility of the season being cancelled if the hearing takes too long.does that mean that there would be absoloutley no league or cup football in italy?and will the italian sides still be able to play in europe if the season gets cancelled?

 

[Badass J Elkann]

mark mentioned something about there being a possibility of the season being cancelled if the hearing takes too long.does that mean that there would be absoloutley no league or cup football in italy?and will the italian sides still be able to play in europe if the season gets cancelled?

well the hearing will go through at the most 2 more courts so i doubt it will be canceled, just delayed a further month or so. which will have an effect on our qualifiers for euro 2008

 

[isha00]

last question isha00 about tv rights deal with sky do uhave any idea how much the new renegotiated deal will be

I think I heard they won't be renegotiated.

 

[serfaraaz]

I think I heard they won't be renegotiated.

94 million euros for serieb

 

[pavelnedved]

I heard they would be renegotiated.

 

[Chxta]

I don't want to illude you, anyway here's a Nesti's (He is a journalist who also posts his news on j1897) rumor:



If Juve will win the Tar appeal, they'll (we) demand Figc 500 millions euro for the damages.

It would be wonderful, wouldn't it?

(But, even if we'll win the appeal, I strongly doubt our managment will do anything like this. It just isn't like them )

It would.

 

[BlanquiNegro]

IMO this is pure politics. now that berlisconi's government fallen the lefts are trying to destroy everything he established as a system. seireA right clubs "if there is such a thing" are the ones got involved in the scandal (what a coincidence ) and juve got the most punishment because of two things. 1- there is a myth that juve is above the law (if any team its milan .. birlesconi was the prime minister for gods sake ) 2-the media exploded over the moggi tapes which technically doesn’t prove anything but give the public an impression of guilt

as for the TAR. I don't know but what I had an impression of is that the appeal to the TAR could result in either nothing happening or the whole FIGC verdict will be invalid and we go back to seireA as if nothing happened... correct this information if its wrong

is there any poss. for the court(TAR) to reject the case in the first place?

 

[serfaraaz]

juve to appeal in tar which means european ban Juventus: azionisti decidono di ricorrere al Tar

18:18 del 20 agosto

La società non l'ha fatto ancora, gli azionisti sì: una rappresentanza di loro ha presentato il primo ricorso al Tar del Lazio. Sostengono che nel processo sportivo terminato con la condanna della Juventus "non si può proprio parlare di terzietà e imparzialità del giudice". http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=23&a=14215