Yeah.. i agree with you for some extent. Our team is not that strong, but not that weak either. Our young players can learn from the olders. With DD as the manager, we can become a balance team and kicking...
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IF we are reinstated to serie A, dont you think we'll be spending some of that money from the players sold!
We still have a good team apart from the defence really, so with 2 desent defenders coming in, im sure we'll stay up easily even with -30 points.
Anyone saying they would prefer seria B to seria A is just plan stupid, its like someone asking you if you would like £50 or £100!
We still have a good team apart from the defence really, so with 2 desent defenders coming in, im sure we'll stay up easily even with -30 points.
Anyone saying they would prefer seria B to seria A is just plan stupid, its like someone asking you if you would like £50 or £100!
Juventus appeal to be heard this month
MILAN (Reuters) - A sports court will start hearings this month into appeals by Juventus and four officials against punishments in a match-fixing scandal that has prompted an exodus of players from the Turin club.
Juventus and several officials from clubs and Italy's football federation then lodged appeals with the Chamber of Arbitration of the Italian National Olympic Committee (CONI).
The chamber is the last level of appeal in Italy before any unresolved cases go to civil courts.
The Chamber of Arbitration will hear Juventus's appeal on August 18 in Rome, CONI said on Friday. The club has said it is prepared if necessary to take its case to the civil courts, a step that could drag the scandal out for months or even years.
Adriano Galliani, vice-president of AC Milan and former president of the Italian Football League (FIGC), and Antonio Giraudo, the former chief executive of Juventus, will appear before the court on September 5.
Galliani has been banned from soccer for one year while Giraudo has been barred for five years and ordered to pay a 20,000 euro ($25,590) fine. Milan has been penalised eight points in the coming season but will play in the Champions League.
Luciano Moggi, the former managing director of Juventus whose tapped phone calls triggered the scandal, will be heard on September 7. He has been banned from soccer for five years and given a 50,000 euro fine.
Also on September 7 the tribunal will hear former FIGC president Innocenzo Mazzini.
Reuters
MILAN (Reuters) - A sports court will start hearings this month into appeals by Juventus and four officials against punishments in a match-fixing scandal that has prompted an exodus of players from the Turin club.
Juventus and several officials from clubs and Italy's football federation then lodged appeals with the Chamber of Arbitration of the Italian National Olympic Committee (CONI).
The chamber is the last level of appeal in Italy before any unresolved cases go to civil courts.
The Chamber of Arbitration will hear Juventus's appeal on August 18 in Rome, CONI said on Friday. The club has said it is prepared if necessary to take its case to the civil courts, a step that could drag the scandal out for months or even years.
Adriano Galliani, vice-president of AC Milan and former president of the Italian Football League (FIGC), and Antonio Giraudo, the former chief executive of Juventus, will appear before the court on September 5.
Galliani has been banned from soccer for one year while Giraudo has been barred for five years and ordered to pay a 20,000 euro ($25,590) fine. Milan has been penalised eight points in the coming season but will play in the Champions League.
Luciano Moggi, the former managing director of Juventus whose tapped phone calls triggered the scandal, will be heard on September 7. He has been banned from soccer for five years and given a 50,000 euro fine.
Also on September 7 the tribunal will hear former FIGC president Innocenzo Mazzini.
Reuters
Moggi 'ruled Calcio with iron fist' Friday 4 August, 2006
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The CAF has given its reasons for reducing the penalties in the Calciopoli trial, stating Luciano Moggi 'forced’ Lazio, Fiorentina and Milan to seek aid.
The Federal Court of Appeal slashed the original punishment meted out in the inquest, returning Lazio and Fiorentina to Serie A following their demotion and cutting the points deductions given to Milan and Juventus.
“Moggi was responsible for serious episodes of sporting fraud, both over time – in particular the 2004-05 season – and his behaviour which was aimed at creating a structure that would alter the competition through conditioning of refereeing decisions,” explained President Pietro Santulli in the paperwork released this evening.
“As his illicit design was eventually successful, he damaged the public’s faith in the fairness of sporting competition.”
Juventus were the only club to remain in Serie B after the appeal to the CAF and Santulli revealed why the Turin giants were punished so much more than the other sides involved.
“The behaviour of Moggi and Antonio Giraudo cannot be compared to the other directors (Fiorentina’s Andrea Della Valle and Milan’s Leonardo Mencucci, ndr), whose actions had nowhere near the same causal effect. The Juventus representatives had the full and concrete intention of falsifying the table by conditioning referees, whose decisions were influenced by Moggi and Giraudo.”
Milan, Fiorentina and Lazio had claimed that they were merely 'reacting’ to the Moggi system in place, a theory that was in part accepted by the CAF.
“The Juventus directors were certainly highly poisonous in their systematic and organised stability. This means their position in this trial is incomparable to the others.”
Nonetheless, the Bianconeri’s original 30-point penalty in Serie B for the 2006-07 season was reduced to 17 on appeal, giving them a better chance of gaining promotion within the year.
“It seems right to view the original penalty with the important and prestigious sporting history of this club, the fruits of which were also enjoyed by the national team,” continued the CAF’s report. “The resignation and removal of the directors responsible for the punishment should also be a factor in favour of the side.”
Juventus are not content with the verdict and have lodged an appeal to the CONI’s Court of Conciliation. Their lawyers will be heard on August 18, while Milan vice-President Adriano Galliani and Juve’s Antonio Giraudo’s hearings are on September 5.
Moggi and former FIGC vice-President Innocenzo Mazzini are to discuss their positions on September 7.
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/aug4i.html
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The CAF has given its reasons for reducing the penalties in the Calciopoli trial, stating Luciano Moggi 'forced’ Lazio, Fiorentina and Milan to seek aid.
The Federal Court of Appeal slashed the original punishment meted out in the inquest, returning Lazio and Fiorentina to Serie A following their demotion and cutting the points deductions given to Milan and Juventus.
“Moggi was responsible for serious episodes of sporting fraud, both over time – in particular the 2004-05 season – and his behaviour which was aimed at creating a structure that would alter the competition through conditioning of refereeing decisions,” explained President Pietro Santulli in the paperwork released this evening.
“As his illicit design was eventually successful, he damaged the public’s faith in the fairness of sporting competition.”
Juventus were the only club to remain in Serie B after the appeal to the CAF and Santulli revealed why the Turin giants were punished so much more than the other sides involved.
“The behaviour of Moggi and Antonio Giraudo cannot be compared to the other directors (Fiorentina’s Andrea Della Valle and Milan’s Leonardo Mencucci, ndr), whose actions had nowhere near the same causal effect. The Juventus representatives had the full and concrete intention of falsifying the table by conditioning referees, whose decisions were influenced by Moggi and Giraudo.”
Milan, Fiorentina and Lazio had claimed that they were merely 'reacting’ to the Moggi system in place, a theory that was in part accepted by the CAF.
“The Juventus directors were certainly highly poisonous in their systematic and organised stability. This means their position in this trial is incomparable to the others.”
Nonetheless, the Bianconeri’s original 30-point penalty in Serie B for the 2006-07 season was reduced to 17 on appeal, giving them a better chance of gaining promotion within the year.
“It seems right to view the original penalty with the important and prestigious sporting history of this club, the fruits of which were also enjoyed by the national team,” continued the CAF’s report. “The resignation and removal of the directors responsible for the punishment should also be a factor in favour of the side.”
Juventus are not content with the verdict and have lodged an appeal to the CONI’s Court of Conciliation. Their lawyers will be heard on August 18, while Milan vice-President Adriano Galliani and Juve’s Antonio Giraudo’s hearings are on September 5.
Moggi and former FIGC vice-President Innocenzo Mazzini are to discuss their positions on September 7.
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/aug4i.html
wat a joke of an excuse for giving us the penalty, we have a saying in here that goes the excuse is uglier than the sin.
If they really thought that abt moggi and giruado then they wouldnt have reduced the point penalty.
And wats that when they said that our directors had a bigger position than the others ? ffs Gallianni was found guilty he was praticulary leading the club when silvio was prime minister or something. Lotito was found guilty and he was president of lazio and same goes to the Della Valle brothers
Those ppl should just shut up cuz , wat they did is shameful and the way they r justifying it is making them look just ridicolous.
If they really thought that abt moggi and giruado then they wouldnt have reduced the point penalty.
And wats that when they said that our directors had a bigger position than the others ? ffs Gallianni was found guilty he was praticulary leading the club when silvio was prime minister or something. Lotito was found guilty and he was president of lazio and same goes to the Della Valle brothers
Those ppl should just shut up cuz , wat they did is shameful and the way they r justifying it is making them look just ridicolous.
Rami is correct. It's better to play in Serie B with a low penalty. That way Juve can win the Serie B which is another title and also focus on the Coppa Italia and get to UEFA. With a -30 in A, Juve might get relegated (which means the end of the world because it's another season gone to drain and a big stain on the club as well), there will have to be sacrifice of the coppa... and people would still think there was no real punishment. B is a good opportunity for young players as well... if it's -30 in A, I say B. Who cares really, most of the players left already, I want to win a lot rather than lose all season anyway.
frankly most of all i want our titles back or at least 1, pref the 1 inter stole from us, as for the league, im kinda undecided,for obvious reasons, unless we have a low points penalty in serie A, but then again wud we really cope in serie A with our innexperience of the newer younger players, as by the time this is all straightened out we wont have alot of time to build a team that can realistically challenge for the title, but as i said, im quite split on which league we shud play in.
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