serfaraaz said:
mark why is badass devil banned again
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he said Jeeks looked like a clown.
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I agree with you mark. It is in the right of Juve to make sure we get our case heard in the court. The threat of sanctions from FIGC, FIFA, and UEFA are simply unethical.
Anyway how do you envision our re-instatement to Serie A?
As far as I see it, FIGC is not going to change their initial verdict, because this means that Fiorentina, Lazio, and Milan (these bastards are free-riding on the fact that Juve is worse punished and hence we will take the initiative) will all over be the case and we may have chaos again. I mean Fiorentina couldnt take part in CL competition because of the whole fiasco, and they will surely go nuts if anything happens that voids the initial sentences.
This means we will have to take the case to TAR, and suppose we win it, FIGC have the option of lowering the penalty or re-instate us back to Serie A.
Even if FIGC win their case in TAR, they have very little to gain in making further punishment to Juve - they may do so in the act of rhetorical significance - but I doubt punishment will be severe because, lets face it, any sane reconstruction plan for Serie A must have Juve in it with our millions of Tifosi's in both Italia and around the world. So I say all the threats from FIGC, FIFA, and UEFA is just an empty threat - threat which cannot be imposed without hurting themselves.
I see a strong incentives for FIGC, UEFA and FIFA in preventing us taking the case to the TAR. They will want to do so with mininum cost so a lot of bluffs are being thrown ATM. But what I also see is that Juve have very little to loose by taking the case to the court because all these threats are essentially empty.
Help me on this, but is it possible for Juve and FIGC to have settlement off the court for withdrawing from the TAR once we lodge the repeal?
I think this is important element in the possible future development.
Anyway how do you envision our re-instatement to Serie A?
As far as I see it, FIGC is not going to change their initial verdict, because this means that Fiorentina, Lazio, and Milan (these bastards are free-riding on the fact that Juve is worse punished and hence we will take the initiative) will all over be the case and we may have chaos again. I mean Fiorentina couldnt take part in CL competition because of the whole fiasco, and they will surely go nuts if anything happens that voids the initial sentences.
This means we will have to take the case to TAR, and suppose we win it, FIGC have the option of lowering the penalty or re-instate us back to Serie A.
Even if FIGC win their case in TAR, they have very little to gain in making further punishment to Juve - they may do so in the act of rhetorical significance - but I doubt punishment will be severe because, lets face it, any sane reconstruction plan for Serie A must have Juve in it with our millions of Tifosi's in both Italia and around the world. So I say all the threats from FIGC, FIFA, and UEFA is just an empty threat - threat which cannot be imposed without hurting themselves.
I see a strong incentives for FIGC, UEFA and FIFA in preventing us taking the case to the TAR. They will want to do so with mininum cost so a lot of bluffs are being thrown ATM. But what I also see is that Juve have very little to loose by taking the case to the court because all these threats are essentially empty.
Help me on this, but is it possible for Juve and FIGC to have settlement off the court for withdrawing from the TAR once we lodge the repeal?
I think this is important element in the possible future development.
We could have a hearing on the 31st. (TAR)
I think it's clear that the FIGC with Guido Rossi don't want Juve in any shape or form in serie A and they will do everything possible to keep us in Serie B.(frienship with Blatter--->threats)
I see it like this, Juve go to TAR, win the case, Juve gets back in A, no pts deduction, 04-05/05-06 scudetti back but no part in UEFA competitions for the amount of years decided by UEFA. If possible, I would appeal that decision(the no part in UEFA activities) to the EU court.
If TAR doesn't take our appeal there's still the EU court with Mr. Bosman's lawyer.
We shouldn't start the party yet but still stay positive.
I think it's clear that the FIGC with Guido Rossi don't want Juve in any shape or form in serie A and they will do everything possible to keep us in Serie B.(frienship with Blatter--->threats)
I see it like this, Juve go to TAR, win the case, Juve gets back in A, no pts deduction, 04-05/05-06 scudetti back but no part in UEFA competitions for the amount of years decided by UEFA. If possible, I would appeal that decision(the no part in UEFA activities) to the EU court.
If TAR doesn't take our appeal there's still the EU court with Mr. Bosman's lawyer.
We shouldn't start the party yet but still stay positive.
I like your optimism keep it up!
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However, I am not fixated with the place in Serie A. I have changed my mind that Serie A with penalty is still better than little severe penalty and B - largely due to my personal affection for the players - but it is not the end of world if I don't get to see the players on a regular basis.
Anyway, I agree with you that under Rossi there will not be any negotiation regarding our top flight status. I just cannot see any room for a deal - and this probably was the case in our last talk.
I feel Rossi trying the prevent the worse case scenario of us winning the TAR appeal, and the chaos that may happen if UEFA and FIFA do unthinkable and actually carry out their threats.
This is actually smart because it increases the incentive for the FIGC to allow Juve to take the case to the court, and yet without altering Juve's incentives.
Nonetheless, I think if we can withdraw our appeal after our inital lodge then I think there is a significant room for negotiation. FIGC has too much to loose from loosing the case, and Rossi will have to withstand heavy pressure from his seniors to make some kind of compromise. If we cannot, then well, I say its do or die.:eyebrows: .
I was wondering if the actual juricidal process is at suspect, which was the claim of Isha, then why didnt we take the case to the European Court of Justice?
I am pretty certain that the chances of having fairer trial is far bigger under that system than Italian court, where I have completely lost my faith.
.However, I am not fixated with the place in Serie A. I have changed my mind that Serie A with penalty is still better than little severe penalty and B - largely due to my personal affection for the players - but it is not the end of world if I don't get to see the players on a regular basis.
Anyway, I agree with you that under Rossi there will not be any negotiation regarding our top flight status. I just cannot see any room for a deal - and this probably was the case in our last talk.
I feel Rossi trying the prevent the worse case scenario of us winning the TAR appeal, and the chaos that may happen if UEFA and FIFA do unthinkable and actually carry out their threats.
This is actually smart because it increases the incentive for the FIGC to allow Juve to take the case to the court, and yet without altering Juve's incentives.
Nonetheless, I think if we can withdraw our appeal after our inital lodge then I think there is a significant room for negotiation. FIGC has too much to loose from loosing the case, and Rossi will have to withstand heavy pressure from his seniors to make some kind of compromise. If we cannot, then well, I say its do or die.:eyebrows: .
I was wondering if the actual juricidal process is at suspect, which was the claim of Isha, then why didnt we take the case to the European Court of Justice?
I am pretty certain that the chances of having fairer trial is far bigger under that system than Italian court, where I have completely lost my faith.
mark77 said:
We could have a hearing on the 31st. (TAR)
I think it's clear that the FIGC with Guido Rossi don't want Juve in any shape or form in serie A and they will do everything possible to keep us in Serie B.(frienship with Blatter--->threats)
I see it like this, Juve go to TAR, win the case, Juve gets back in A, no pts deduction, 04-05/05-06 scudetti back but no part in UEFA competitions for the amount of years decided by UEFA. If possible, I would appeal that decision(the no part in UEFA activities) to the EU court.
If TAR doesn't take our appeal there's still the EU court with Mr. Bosman's lawyer.
We shouldn't start the party yet but still stay positive.
I think it's clear that the FIGC with Guido Rossi don't want Juve in any shape or form in serie A and they will do everything possible to keep us in Serie B.(frienship with Blatter--->threats)
I see it like this, Juve go to TAR, win the case, Juve gets back in A, no pts deduction, 04-05/05-06 scudetti back but no part in UEFA competitions for the amount of years decided by UEFA. If possible, I would appeal that decision(the no part in UEFA activities) to the EU court.
If TAR doesn't take our appeal there's still the EU court with Mr. Bosman's lawyer.
We shouldn't start the party yet but still stay positive.
it's not ganna be another Bosman's they allready want us to be in seire B
The appeal on sep won't change anything maybe the points deduct only !
You guys know TAR doesn't decide point deductions right?
It's either Serie B -20pts(-3pts for losing TAR appeal)
or
Serie A with no point deductions, our 2 scudetti back and a possible UEFA ban that we could appeal to the EU court(if it's possible).
I might be wrong. Can somebody confirm my options?
Maybe TAR can impose the Italian Federeation to start a more fair trial also but who knows.
It's either Serie B -20pts(-3pts for losing TAR appeal)
or
Serie A with no point deductions, our 2 scudetti back and a possible UEFA ban that we could appeal to the EU court(if it's possible).
I might be wrong. Can somebody confirm my options?
Maybe TAR can impose the Italian Federeation to start a more fair trial also but who knows.
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