[EUROPA League] Ajax 1-2 JUVENTUS (Feb. 18th 2010) (2 Viewers)
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That's why I said to Sab that on paper it's a 4 men defense but the way De Ceglie played it was a 3 men defense.
He was told to play at the back, but he was rarely there and we had a 3 men defense during every single counter. That three men defense was stretched so it allowed so much space for Ajax, especially on the right where Legro had to cover the center while Giorgio covered for DC and Zebina was all alone.
It's not the same as it is when Caceres goes forward, because Caceres has good stamina and goes back on time (although he knows to make a silly mistake there and make himself useless in defense).
Even if it should have been a 4-3-1-2 it was never a 4-3-1-2, it was a 3-4-1-2 with Sissoko on the right, Melo alone in the center and both Marchisio and PDC on the left.
He was told to play at the back, but he was rarely there and we had a 3 men defense during every single counter. That three men defense was stretched so it allowed so much space for Ajax, especially on the right where Legro had to cover the center while Giorgio covered for DC and Zebina was all alone.
It's not the same as it is when Caceres goes forward, because Caceres has good stamina and goes back on time (although he knows to make a silly mistake there and make himself useless in defense).
Even if it should have been a 4-3-1-2 it was never a 4-3-1-2, it was a 3-4-1-2 with Sissoko on the right, Melo alone in the center and both Marchisio and PDC on the left.
I'm pretty sure Marchisio was on the right for the first bit of the game, before he started drifting. That's what JCK has been saying in the match commentary aswell, but since everybody is moaning so much about that, I'm having some doubts.
And yes SAB, I watched the game. I still don't see how it was a 4 man defense at the start though. Everything pointed towards a 3 man defense. If you field a LB as 'winger' on the left, he's obviously going to fall back quite a bit. I'm sure you've been able to make screenshots of 4 players in a line, but when Ajax were in possession I'm sure you can make alot of screenshots of Diego in between our other midfielders. Would that make it a 4-4-2 all of a sudden?
Let's say it was somewhere in between, because we'll really not go anywhere with this discussion.
And yes SAB, I watched the game. I still don't see how it was a 4 man defense at the start though. Everything pointed towards a 3 man defense. If you field a LB as 'winger' on the left, he's obviously going to fall back quite a bit. I'm sure you've been able to make screenshots of 4 players in a line, but when Ajax were in possession I'm sure you can make alot of screenshots of Diego in between our other midfielders. Would that make it a 4-4-2 all of a sudden?
Let's say it was somewhere in between, because we'll really not go anywhere with this discussion.
or in this case .. partying with south americans (caceres)..
Zebina was RCB, Sissoko or Marchisio covered him in the first half. If you watch how differently Grygera played to Zebina, and how De Ceglie played in comparison to his first half you can see a clear tactical switch to a back four, even the commentators on ESPN were saying how bad the back three was first half and how much better we looked with a back four.. Zebina was definitely not a fullback at any time! The guy barely even made it past the 18 yard box, and that was not from choice.
That's one of the reasons we need 4 men at the back rather than this stupid 3, Our 1st goal was bcuz that old camel zebina couldn't cover all those spaces all by himself, same goes for legrotalie and later (although partially) grygera.
Or if playing 3D is a must for Zac he should always start with caceres as his supposedly Right Winger
By the way Sissoko was pure shit tonight, totally sloppy and stupid.
Or if playing 3D is a must for Zac he should always start with caceres as his supposedly Right Winger
By the way Sissoko was pure shit tonight, totally sloppy and stupid.
i normally would not say this about zebina, but once in his life he acted sensible ... while i can NOT understand why legro and chiellini ... the only real defenders we got go gung-ho on our own freekick, if we all know that ajax has fucking speedy players and they will never get back in time... on the counter when the ball was on the halfway line zebina was the one and only defender while with later the headless chicken running back too but doing absolutely nothing of notice ... and i don't need to repeat that a world class keeper HAS to get a ball that is shot low straight at the keeper.
this only happens, when the keeper moves out of his goal which he MUST NOT do, when there is already a defender playing against the opponent who got the ball ... it is exactly what happens... the player shoots and the goalkeeper gets caught off guard, because he was busy making steps out of the goal, instead of easily gathering the ball which is shot out of a difficult angle (out of the sight of the forward)...
do you understand football .... i am asking a sincere question here. do you understand football ? do you know the difference between a centre back and a full back ?
so how can a back for with two full backs (who are by definition allowed to roam forward when we attack) better defend against counter attacks, than a back three (all centre backs) where NOBODY is allowed to roam forward ?
there are no two ways about it. it was a tactical mistakes by the players and i largely blame chiellini and legro for that. zebina was wise enough to stay back, but if both chiellini and legro go forward for a freekick, they HAVE TO assign team mates (mostly smaller ones) that take their place in the defense... but they obviously did not assign anyone and let zebina alone without telling a teammate to replace them while the freekick is executed
this only happens, when the keeper moves out of his goal which he MUST NOT do, when there is already a defender playing against the opponent who got the ball ... it is exactly what happens... the player shoots and the goalkeeper gets caught off guard, because he was busy making steps out of the goal, instead of easily gathering the ball which is shot out of a difficult angle (out of the sight of the forward)...
do you understand football .... i am asking a sincere question here. do you understand football ? do you know the difference between a centre back and a full back ?
so how can a back for with two full backs (who are by definition allowed to roam forward when we attack) better defend against counter attacks, than a back three (all centre backs) where NOBODY is allowed to roam forward ?
there are no two ways about it. it was a tactical mistakes by the players and i largely blame chiellini and legro for that. zebina was wise enough to stay back, but if both chiellini and legro go forward for a freekick, they HAVE TO assign team mates (mostly smaller ones) that take their place in the defense... but they obviously did not assign anyone and let zebina alone without telling a teammate to replace them while the freekick is executed
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