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Enron

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Oct 11, 2005
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I heard strong whistles when the Greek in your defense had the ball, but that's understandable considering the relations between the two countries. I didn't hear any monkey chants, but I was concentrated on Juve's match so I might have missed them.

I won't be surprised if there were monkey chants. Brainlessness is a characteristic of most ex-Yu ultras. In Croatia it became the most normal thing to do for the ultras to monkey chant whenever a black guy has the ball. Same is in Serbia and Macedonia I believe. Not so much in Bosnia, I would guess.
I watched the match and that's what I heard. I thought it was funny.

But apparently UEFA has pictures. I don't think N'Gog and Amoo knew that they were being monkey chanted. But I guess that's not really the point.
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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Well, yeah, although partly. For Muslims it's religion that counts when they separate people, not the skin color, so they're much more tolerant towards the black people (I'm speaking solely from my experience with Muslims in life and on the net). But that's not the only reason why the Bosnians are much less racist compared to their neighbors. As far as I know only 45% of the Bosnians are Muslim. That leaves 55% Christians and a minor number of Jews. It's the terrible war that is making you guys more acceptive of "others". Sure there are still idiots and hatred there, but someone who was already burnt badly from nationalism, will naturally look for other options and become more open to "others", after the initial post-war emotions will disappear.
 

Oggy

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Dec 27, 2005
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Well, yeah, although partly. For Muslims it's religion that counts when they separate people, not the skin color, so they're much more tolerant towards the black people (I'm speaking solely from my experience with Muslims in life and on the net). But that's not the only reason why the Bosnians are much less racist compared to their neighbors. As far as I know only 45% of the Bosnians are Muslim. That leaves 55% Christians and a minor number of Jews. It's the terrible war that is making you guys more acceptive of "others". Sure there are still idiots and hatred there, but someone who was already burnt badly from nationalism, will naturally look for other options and become more open to "others", after the initial post-war emotions will disappear.
That's the key part, we are ten years behind the war and still nationalism here is probably even worse than before. I really don't know when it's gonna stop. For me as an atheist and with Serb/Croatian name who grew up here, and been on front line in Sarajevo during war is pretty difficult. People are seeing me different, and even noone will admit that but it's obvius, I actually had problem finding girls because of my name (fortunately I'm happily in love now) etc. I'm actually having thoughts of moving out, but let's not go offtopic.


Btw we were punished before for monkey chants when our NT played (can't remember against who), all I remember that someone from FA tried to explain that as our ancient way of praying or something like that :D (can't remember exactly and translate it right)
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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That's the key part, we are ten years behind the war and still nationalism here is probably even worse than before. I really don't know when it's gonna stop. For me as an atheist and with Serb/Croatian name who grew up here, and been on front line in Sarajevo during war is pretty difficult. People are seeing me different, and even noone will admit that but it's obvius, I actually had problem finding girls because of my name (fortunately I'm happily in love now) etc. I'm actually having thoughts of moving out, but let's not go offtopic.


Btw we were punished before for monkey chants when our NT played (can't remember against who), all I remember that someone from FA tried to explain that as our ancient way of praying or something like that :D (can't remember exactly and translate it right)
Is it really that bad? :shocked:

Guess that means you Balkans aren't all that better than us Arabs :D
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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Is it really that bad? :shocked:

Guess that means you Balkans aren't all that better than us Arabs :D
There are numerous songs in ex-Yu where the guy is singing how he couldn't get a girl because of her father and the girl is always a Muslim girl while the boy is Serbian or a Croat :D

This has a very rich history behind it and as much as it is about the religion (and it indeed has a lot to do with religion) it's also about the ex-ruling Muslim class still not being able to get over the fact that it's been more than 130 years that the Turks are gone and they're not ruling the Christians. :p

So, in order to make your sentence valid, I will make an adjustment and write it down as:

"Guess that means Balkan Muslims aren't all that better than us Arabs"

P.S: Oggy, you're dating a Muslim girl? How did her parents accept you?
 

Oggy

and the Cockroaches
Dec 27, 2005
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P.S: Oggy, you're dating a Muslim girl? How did her parents accept you?
Very nice, I'm having excellent relation with them, they like me and I like them. And I'm dating this girl for almost three years, so they know that we are serious about it (girlfriend and I).

Also it's not only about muslims, I have friend who (actually two), one of them wanted to date a girl but she refused because he is muslim, and other one is in relationship but they have huge problems because he is muslim, not serb.
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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Very nice, I'm having excellent relation with them, they like me and I like them. And I'm dating this girl for almost three years, so they know that we are serious about it (girlfriend and I).
:tup: :tup: :tup: :tup:

I hope the rest start following you two. Sex is the road to peaceful leaving. :D
Also it's not only about muslims, I have friend who (actually two), one of them wanted to date a girl but she refused because he is muslim, and other one is in relationship but they have huge problems because he is muslim, not serb.
Not surprising. One could understand the Muslim and Christian girls who are afraid of their parents, but I wish they could just show more courage.
 

Oggy

and the Cockroaches
Dec 27, 2005
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:tup: :tup: :tup: :tup:

I hope the rest start following you two. Sex is the road to peaceful leaving. :D


Not surprising. One could understand the Muslim and Christian girls who are afraid of their parents, but I wish they could just show more courage.
:D


That, and also I think parents should mind their own business and stop ruining their children lives. Maybe I don't understand this well, but you as a parent should tell me am I right or wrong.
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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:D


That, and also I think parents should mind their own business and stop ruining their children lives. Maybe I don't understand this well, but you as a parent should tell me am I right or wrong.
I have two sons so it's easier for me :D

No, honestly, I won't care at all if the girl they marry is religious and what religion she follows. I admit that at first I won't find it very pleasant if my grandchildren are black or Chinese, but with time I'll definitely get used to it and love them as much as I'd have loved them if they were white.

I can't say how I'd react if I have a daughter but I guess I won't find it pleasing if she's forced to convert to Islam or anything else in order to marry a guy. Still, if she accepts it I'll have no right to interfere.

It doesn't really matter as long as my sons don't marry a whore or my potential daughters don't marry some junkie or a criminal :D

Oh, and it's a definite NO if I have a daughter and she wants to marry Fred.
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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I have two sons so it's easier for me :D

No, honestly, I won't care at all if the girl they marry is religious and what religion she follows. I admit that at first I won't find it very pleasant if my grandchildren are black or Chinese, but with time I'll definitely get used to it and love them as much as I'd have loved them if they were white.

I can't say how I'd react if I have a daughter but I guess I won't find it pleasing if she's forced to convert to Islam or anything else in order to marry a guy. Still, if she accepts it I'll have no right to interfere.

It doesn't really matter as long as my sons don't marry a whore or my potential daughters don't marry some junkie or a criminal :D

Oh, and it's a definite NO if I have a daughter and she wants to marry Fred.
WTF :lol:
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
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I'm just being honest :(

Come on, it's the same for everyone. The grandfather will like it his grandchildren to look like him, which isn't very possible if he's white or Chinese while they're black.
In the end he'll accept the fact and love them as every grandparent loves his grandchildren, but in the order of preference, you'd normally like them to look like you.

Tell me honestly, if you have a grandson, would you like him to look more like you or to look, dunno, Norwegian?
 

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