[EU] Champions League 06/07 (9 Viewers)

JamalRice10

Mally Loves Nara!
Nov 25, 2005
2,812
well seems these days football is all about money like any other sports but no matter how much money u have it is hard to win the cl is just when preparation meets opportunity know as luck look at chelski have the world oh money and never made it to the finals liverpool team that struggling in the league for a 4 or 3 place and do well in cl so is say different competition but chelski buy the league and cannot buy a cl no matter who he brings to club so what my grandmother told me is true there is something money cannot buy i also thought she meant love but ask i grown older seem there are more and in football cl is one of them.
 

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lavenderguy

Junior Member
Feb 28, 2005
298
No, I prefer MU to win it tmw becoz i don;t wan to see another Pool vs AC final in just 3 years time, don't you think it's BORING?? for me, they are not the elite teams of Europe right now and don;t u think Champions League is only meant for the CHAMPIONS or at least the runner up of the league?
For God sake, Milan shouldn;t be in the CL in the first place...
 

Stu

Senior Member
Jul 14, 2002
17,557
No, I prefer MU to win it tmw becoz i don;t wan to see another Pool vs AC final in just 3 years time, don't you think it's BORING?? for me, they are not the elite teams of Europe right now and don;t u think Champions League is only meant for the CHAMPIONS or at least the runner up of the league?
For God sake, Milan shouldn;t be in the CL in the first place...
Boring? Did you see the epic in Istanbul?
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,773
The current CL format gives lesser teams a greater chance of progressing to later stages - its just matter of probability and Liverpool has taken their chance better than others. Kudos on them in this respect.

I just caught the second half - but my goodness it was a shocker. It matches the dullness of Milan vs Inter. At least that match had quality players in both sets of team.

I think the boringness of CL is much more than the competition itself. The game is going through some of the worst generation of players (without exception of Ronaldo & Kaka). Just looking around the world, there are plethora of decent to good players, but rarely few of them touches the greatness. I am coming terms with the fact that the last decade was blessed with some of the most gracious players that ever played the game, it will be hard to match for some time to come.
I'm having a hard time disagreeing with any of Jun-hide's points here. Well done.
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,773
Matches like these make me want the old total knockout system back.Come on Platini!!:D
You mean the one where Luciano Moggi locks you in your hotel room and has his thugs work you over with a pipe, a blow torch, and a pair of pliers?

Yeah, I miss those days too. :cry:
 

Jun-hide

Senior Member
Dec 16, 2002
2,068
The question was pretty obvious, how can you progress in the CL while you fail in the domestic league? It is up to the number of the players ready in every match with the presence of the proper substitutions. But when it comes to competing in Europe, a balanced team is needed to reach the final. A balanced team here means a good fitness, harmony, skillful players, hard working players and a world-class tactician. The issue is bigger than the number of the squads player and its depth, but I didn't explain it in full details.
I don't disagree with your general premise. I think they are absolutely true. In fact, I also believe match-up is just as important factor as some of the more obvious ones. Its so obvious that Liverpool is far inferior to Barca in almost every respect but in retrospect, their rough style ideally suited to defend the attacking flair of Barca players.

But when it comes to mediocre teams doing really well in Europe last 3 years or so, the format is biggest single reason for the explanation. Any team can beat any team on a given day, and Liverpool not being one of strong contenders, IMO, and benefited from this system far more than say ManUre, Inter, Barca, and indeed Chelski. When we reached the final, we had to qualify from a group that included Manchester United, and Depor to just earn the right to play Barca, Real, and Milan. Nobody wil tell me that a team group of Galatasary, PSV, Bordeaux is anywhere near as good as those teams we had to play to reach the final.

When unknown teams did well in Europe before the change in format, they had to be pretty awesome that just did not have name recognition. Teams like Bayer had world class players throughout their team, with likes of Berbatov, Ballack, Ze Roberto, Placente, Lucio, Sneider, Nowotny, Ramelow, etc. Nowadays a team of Park, van Bommel, Lee, Farfan, Hesselink, Cocu, Alex or Bellamy, Crouch, Pennant, or Morientes, Rothen, Bernadi, Givet, are good enough to take you last 4 with some luck and good form.
 

denco

Superior Being
Jul 12, 2002
4,679
Tactics , tactics and more tactics to bore th hell out of neutrals. Mourinho said after the game that he taught his team played better and deserved to go thru, what utter , what utter crap. I lost a little respect for the guy yesterday as their tactics was just horrible. Every time Ashley Cole got the ball ,he just launched it inaccurately towards Drogba who had a terrible night. Lampard was totally anonymous as was Joe Cole. Kallou was nonexistent and I just baffled as to why he played as long as he did , swp would have been so much better. Their 2 best players were far and awya Makele and Essien who was definitely missed in the midfield as Mikel is too young for this kind of game.
As for Liverpool the best players were Mascherano whom i thot was superb, Pennant and even Zenden played well.
The funniest thing about the game was that the only thing Geremi was brought on to do was to take a penalty and he goes and misses it. That is what good slapsticks are all about not Cl semi finals
Congrats Liverpool
 

Kosta

The Eccentric
Jul 16, 2006
5,775
Tactics , tactics and more tactics to bore th hell out of neutrals. Mourinho said after the game that he taught his team played better and deserved to go thru, what utter , what utter crap. I lost a little respect for the guy yesterday as their tactics was just horrible. Every time Ashley Cole got the ball ,he just launched it inaccurately towards Drogba who had a terrible night. Lampard was totally anonymous as was Joe Cole. Kallou was nonexistent and I just baffled as to why he played as long as he did , swp would have been so much better. Their 2 best players were far and awya Makele and Essien who was definitely missed in the midfield as Mikel is too young for this kind of game.
As for Liverpool the best players were Mascherano whom i thot was superb, Pennant and even Zenden played well.
The funniest thing about the game was that the only thing Geremi was brought on to do was to take a penalty and he goes and misses it. That is what good slapsticks are all about not Cl semi finals
Congrats Liverpool
Fowler was brought for the same reason ,but he never got to take his penalty kick , it was over before that.

Congrats L'pool , beat the hell out of Milan/ManU in the final
 

jukazem

Senior Member
Feb 10, 2007
4,967
Liverpool's substitutions were very clever(all for the penalty shootout), but i was expecing Cech to atleast make one save, especially Alonso's one. Chelsea had a poor team last night. With all of Abramovic's money how come Mourinho had to field such a below par team.




Fowler was brought for the same reason ,but he never got to take his penalty kick , it was over before that.

Congrats L'pool , beat the hell out of Milan/ManU in the final
You want a 6th title for Liverpool. :shocked: It might take us decades to overcome them....Its so frustrating missing it for another year, when these stupid teams can stretch their lead.
 

denco

Superior Being
Jul 12, 2002
4,679
I don't disagree with your general premise. I think they are absolutely true. In fact, I also believe match-up is just as important factor as some of the more obvious ones. Its so obvious that Liverpool is far inferior to Barca in almost every respect but in retrospect, their rough style ideally suited to defend the attacking flair of Barca players.

But when it comes to mediocre teams doing really well in Europe last 3 years or so, the format is biggest single reason for the explanation. Any team can beat any team on a given day, and Liverpool not being one of strong contenders, IMO, and benefited from this system far more than say ManUre, Inter, Barca, and indeed Chelski. When we reached the final, we had to qualify from a group that included Manchester United, and Depor to just earn the right to play Barca, Real, and Milan. Nobody wil tell me that a team group of Galatasary, PSV, Bordeaux is anywhere near as good as those teams we had to play to reach the final.

When unknown teams did well in Europe before the change in format, they had to be pretty awesome that just did not have name recognition. Teams like Bayer had world class players throughout their team, with likes of Berbatov, Ballack, Ze Roberto, Placente, Lucio, Sneider, Nowotny, Ramelow, etc. Nowadays a team of Park, van Bommel, Lee, Farfan, Hesselink, Cocu, Alex or Bellamy, Crouch, Pennant, or Morientes, Rothen, Bernadi, Givet, are good enough to take you last 4 with some luck and good form.[/QUOTE]Seriously what time scale are you talking about? The Bayer team that got to the final did so in 2002 and thats just 5 years ago with the Monaco team you besmirched did so just 2 years later than Bayer so I am not sure I understand your point. I do not think its the format or anything like that , its more luck of the draw. This year's Cl has been a debacle in terms of quality but that could be attrubuted to a number of reasons. Some teams have underachieved in this competition mainly Barcelona. The world cup hangover for some players has not helped. Another factor is nowadays we all seem to know as much as the managers as we do the players, even referees are becoming household names.In the future ywe might even start to know names of linesmen, if that happens, then i stop watching the sport. Years ago, i never knew names of referees, and i didnt want to know but now we all know their names.
You talk chelsea, you are mainly talking about Mourinho becos there are no players there that really excite you , you talk Liverpool its more of the tactics of Benitez with only Gerrard ben worth talking about. Last year's at least had some great players in the final like Etoo, Ronaldinho,Laarsson, Henry, Deco, Xavi, Henry , Fabregas etc
At least in today's game we have players that can play, like ronaldo, seedorf, rooney, nesta, kaka and Pirlo
Some teams seem to be better equipped for Cl than others like Real madrid, Milan and Liverpool so you cannot discount them whilst some no matter how well they perform do not do well generally in Cl like Barcelona, Inter and sadly our very own Juventus.
It does not help either when countries like scotland are allocated 2 teams in Cl, France and Portugal incredibly are allocated 3 with Greece and Turkey.
Of the teams offered 4 teams only Epl can produce 4 teams that can cope with both Cl and domestic league in the same season and they are manu, liverpool, chelsea and arsenal. In Italy only Milan, Inter and Juventus can do that. In spain Barcelona and Real Madrid with Valencia can cope
 

Kosta

The Eccentric
Jul 16, 2006
5,775
Liverpool's substitutions were very clever(all for the penalty shootout), but i was expecing Cech to atleast make one save, especially Alonso's one. Chelsea had a poor team last night. With all of Abramovic's money how come Mourinho had to field such a below par team.






You want a 6th title for Liverpool. :shocked: It might take us decades to overcome them....Its so frustrating missing it for another year, when these stupid teams can stretch their lead.
So, who do you want to win in , out of three remaining teams ?
Milan ? ManU ?
'cos someone gonna win it afterall :smoke:
 

sco_tino

Junior Member
Jan 30, 2004
99
I don't disagree with your general premise. I think they are absolutely true. In fact, I also believe match-up is just as important factor as some of the more obvious ones. Its so obvious that Liverpool is far inferior to Barca in almost every respect but in retrospect, their rough style ideally suited to defend the attacking flair of Barca players.

But when it comes to mediocre teams doing really well in Europe last 3 years or so, the format is biggest single reason for the explanation. Any team can beat any team on a given day, and Liverpool not being one of strong contenders, IMO, and benefited from this system far more than say ManUre, Inter, Barca, and indeed Chelski. When we reached the final, we had to qualify from a group that included Manchester United, and Depor to just earn the right to play Barca, Real, and Milan. Nobody wil tell me that a team group of Galatasary, PSV, Bordeaux is anywhere near as good as those teams we had to play to reach the final.

When unknown teams did well in Europe before the change in format, they had to be pretty awesome that just did not have name recognition. Teams like Bayer had world class players throughout their team, with likes of Berbatov, Ballack, Ze Roberto, Placente, Lucio, Sneider, Nowotny, Ramelow, etc. Nowadays a team of Park, van Bommel, Lee, Farfan, Hesselink, Cocu, Alex or Bellamy, Crouch, Pennant, or Morientes, Rothen, Bernadi, Givet, are good enough to take you last 4 with some luck and good form.[/QUOTE]Seriously what time scale are you talking about? The Bayer team that got to the final did so in 2002 and thats just 5 years ago with the Monaco team you besmirched did so just 2 years later than Bayer so I am not sure I understand your point. I do not think its the format or anything like that , its more luck of the draw. This year's Cl has been a debacle in terms of quality but that could be attrubuted to a number of reasons. Some teams have underachieved in this competition mainly Barcelona. The world cup hangover for some players has not helped. Another factor is nowadays we all seem to know as much as the managers as we do the players, even referees are becoming household names.In the future ywe might even start to know names of linesmen, if that happens, then i stop watching the sport. Years ago, i never knew names of referees, and i didnt want to know but now we all know their names.
You talk chelsea, you are mainly talking about Mourinho becos there are no players there that really excite you , you talk Liverpool its more of the tactics of Benitez with only Gerrard ben worth talking about. Last year's at least had some great players in the final like Etoo, Ronaldinho,Laarsson, Henry, Deco, Xavi, Henry , Fabregas etc
At least in today's game we have players that can play, like ronaldo, seedorf, rooney, nesta, kaka and Pirlo
Some teams seem to be better equipped for Cl than others like Real madrid, Milan and Liverpool so you cannot discount them whilst some no matter how well they perform do not do well generally in Cl like Barcelona, Inter and sadly our very own Juventus.
It does not help either when countries like scotland are allocated 2 teams in Cl, France and Portugal incredibly are allocated 3 with Greece and Turkey.
Of the teams offered 4 teams only Epl can produce 4 teams that can cope with both Cl and domestic league in the same season and they are manu, liverpool, chelsea and arsenal. In Italy only Milan, Inter and Juventus can do that. In spain Barcelona and Real Madrid with Valencia can cope
There were two Henrys in last year's final?
 

sco_tino

Junior Member
Jan 30, 2004
99
For all this talk about Liverpool not being a good enough team to be in the finals, they have won this title 5 times. They're a club with history in this tournament.
 

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