[EU] Champions League 04/05 (22 Viewers)

[Fred]

++ [ originally posted by Blandest ] ++


No they arent better. If they are how come they havent done anything recently? Many people here seem to forget what a TEAM is. Putting out names like Keane, Duff and O'Shea does not make Ireland better than England. Englands squad is much stronger and much more successful.



Im semi literate? What about you



Yes I know its the equivalent. And its just because it sucks. Dont even FOR A SECOND. Compare African Champs league to Europes. Just dont do it please. The football played in that competition is along the same lines of English 1/2 division .

i completely agree,and i say that after watching a few matches from that horrendous competition

 

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[Chxta]

++ [ originally posted by Dan ] ++



True. Jay Jay is dazzling.

Please let's forget Jay-Jay briefly and treat him as a member of the old brigade.

Check the up coming young uns...

Enyeama (best keeper in Africa 2 years running)
Enakhire (Sporting Lisbon CB)
Yobo (we all know that he's better than Everton)
Taiye Taiwo (Marseille LB, snapped up straight from AYC 05)
Obinna Nwaneri (best RB 2004 ACL)
John Utaka (want to see him, watch Bayern-Lens from last season's UCL, both legs, then Nigeria-Cameroon q-final from the last ACN)
Peter Osaze Odemwingie (do I hav any South African friends here?)
Obafemi Martins (speaks for himself as he is in one of the big clubs)...


want to know more?

 

[Dan]

++ [ originally posted by Blandest ] ++


No they arent better. If they are how come they havent done anything recently? Many people here seem to forget what a TEAM is. Putting out names like Keane, Duff and O'Shea does not make Ireland better than England. Englands squad is much stronger and much more successful.

England has not beaten Ireland in their last three encounters. And the last one was called off because Ireland were winning one nil and the english fans rioted and the match was called off.

Ireland has been unbeaten at home for ages, and has had victories agains the Netherland, Portugal and Czech Republic. They also had a creditable draw with Brazil and France.

 

[Turdhead]

++ [ originally posted by chxta ] ++

Please let's forget Jay-Jay briefly and treat him as a member of the old brigade.

Check the up coming young uns...

Enyeama (best keeper in Africa 2 years running)
Enakhire (Sporting Lisbon CB)
Yobo (we all know that he's better than Everton)
Taiye Taiwo (Marseille LB, snapped up straight from AYC 05)
Obinna Nwaneri (best RB 2004 ACL)
John Utaka (want to see him, watch Bayern-Lens from last season's UCL, both legs, then Nigeria-Cameroon q-final from the last ACN)
Peter Osaze Odemwingie (do I hav any South African friends here?)
Obafemi Martins (speaks for himself as he is in one of the big clubs)...


want to know more?

No. Because what you have posted is a list of maybes and half assed players playing in mickey mouse competitions.

Its your opinion, and I respect it because your nigerian. But I hardly agree with the point you made that Nigeria were better than England.

 

[Chxta]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


I really do not get you sometimes Blandest. I answered your question, saying that Okocha led Bolton to victories all by himself, and if an ON-FORM Okocha played against England he could make a few brilliant pieces of skill with the ball and win the match against England. Of course this is not set in stone. Brilliant players like Okocha have the skill to turn matches around with one touch of the ball. Hell, I'm sure a on-form Okocha on his day could rip apart Italy on a bad day for the Azzurri.

That is all that I was saying Blandest. I even said that England has the better players on paper, but football is not played on paper.

Like I said before, learn how to read before responding to my posts.

England-Nigeria, Wembley 1994. Okocha practically ended Dennis Wise's international career!

 

[Turdhead]

++ [ originally posted by Dan ] ++



England has not beaten Ireland in their last three encounters. And the last one was called off because Ireland were winning one nil and the english fans rioted and the match was called off.

Ireland has been unbeaten at home for ages, and has had victories agains the Netherland, Portugal and Czech Republic. They also had a creditable draw with Brazil and France.

Yeah but who makes the competitions, who progesses and who isnt useless ?

 

[Dan]

++ [ originally posted by chxta ] ++

Please let's forget Jay-Jay briefly and treat him as a member of the old brigade.

Check the up coming young uns...

Enyeama (best keeper in Africa 2 years running)
Enakhire (Sporting Lisbon CB)
Yobo (we all know that he's better than Everton)
Taiye Taiwo (Marseille LB, snapped up straight from AYC 05)
Obinna Nwaneri (best RB 2004 ACL)
John Utaka (want to see him, watch Bayern-Lens from last season's UCL, both legs, then Nigeria-Cameroon q-final from the last ACN)
Peter Osaze Odemwingie (do I hav any South African friends here?)
Obafemi Martins (speaks for himself as he is in one of the big clubs)...


want to know more?

I really dont mean to burst your bubble, but Nigeria are not better then England. When was the last time they played like a team? And they didnt even reach the final of the african cup. Tunisa won it and they defended like a heard of cows in comparism to europeon and south american teams.

 

[Turdhead]

No Andy you posted that after. First you posted that he could rip england apart himself. The on paper crap is something a biased person says when he dosent want to admit something.

Its not hard to understand that England NT, England football and ENGLAND in general is x2 of Nigeria.

 

[Dan]

++ [ originally posted by Blandest ] ++


Yeah but who makes the competitions, who progesses and who isnt useless ?

Fair enough, its obvious statistics can be used to bolster either one of our sides.


Since when do you know so much about footie bland? I thought you said it was for jocks.

 

[Chxta]

++ [ originally posted by Blandest ] ++


No. Because what you have posted is a list of maybes and half assed players playing in mickey mouse competitions.

Its your opinion, and I respect it because your nigerian. But I hardly agree with the point you made that Nigeria were better than England.

Please try and follow my posts, I try not to argue on sentiment. If Nigeria were bad, I'll tell you.

For example, we were horrible in the last World Cup, but England still failed to beat what was probably the worst Nigerian squad since 1990.

As for the ACL, you and fred weasley have it all wrong to say that it is low quality.
The same way people like you say that Juventus-Milan UCL final was low quality because they don't know anything about Italian styled football.

Football styles vary in various regions, simple, and I agree that the first few rounds of the ACL always contains some of the most messed up football I've ever seen simply because we have to weed out teams from Tanzania et al. But follow from the quarters please.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Blandest ] ++
No Andy you posted that after. First you posted that he could rip england apart himself. The on paper crap is something a biased person says when he dosent want to admit something.

Its not hard to understand that England NT, England football and ENGLAND in general is x2 of Nigeria.

Of course England has the better players and overall team at the moment, but I just did not agree how you said that "England could rip apart Nigeria everyday of the week" or something of the sort, because that is not very fair. That's like saying Portugal could rip apart the United States everyday of the week.

 

[Turdhead]

++ [ originally posted by Dan ] ++


Fair enough, its obvious statistics can be used to bolster either one of our sides.


Since when do you know so much about footie bland? I thought you said it was for jocks.

It is but I do follow it. What I know I know from watching (usually in a bar with friends) and opinion. I dont watch football out of necessity and could stop following it tomorrow if I wanted to, I also dont study facts and history and name myself an 'ultra'

 

[Dan]

well what does that say about a competiton that is only 'quality' in the quaters?

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Blandest ] ++


It is but I do follow it. What I know I know from watching (usually in a bar with friends) and opinion. I dont watch football out of necessity and could stop following it tomorrow if I wanted to, I also dont study facts and history and name myself an 'ultra'

Such a telling word, isn't it? Opinions. That's something all of us have.

 

[Chxta]

++ [ originally posted by Dan ] ++



I really dont mean to burst your bubble, but Nigeria are not better then England. When was the last time they played like a team? And they didnt even reach the final of the african cup. Tunisa won it and they defended like a heard of cows in comparism to europeon and south american teams.

When last we played like a team? Against Cameroon in the last nation's cup.

We lost on penalties to Tunisia remember? And Tunisia's equaliser was a very contrversial penalty. Remember? I hate to have to say shyte like this, but Tunisia being the hosts had an unfair advantage in that competition. Their q-final with Senegal ended in a fracas after a controversial decision which Diouf didn't take lightly. Their semis against Nigeria almost errupted when they were awarded their penalty, and if you follow African football, u'll agree with me that the Nigerian NT is one of those teams, South Africa and Ghana being the others, that never quarrel with refereeing decisions. Even in the final against Morocco, there was some controversy.

Earlier in this thread, I made a list of my opinions of Nigerian potential first teamers versus England potential first teamers. No one has torn that list down player for player.

Please Blandie and Fred weasley, I am waiting...


P.S I don't have too much time. I am engeged now and I'll have to go and pick up my fiancee.

 

[Chxta]

++ [ originally posted by Dan ] ++
well what does that say about a competiton that is only 'quality' in the quaters?

It says that there are too many crappy teams, and the competition needs qualifying stages like that of the UCL.

Imagine what the UCL would be like if MyPa made the first round all the time simply because they won the Moldavan league...

 

[Turdhead]

++ [ originally posted by chxta ] ++



Please Blandie and Fred weasley, I am waiting...


P.S I don't have too much time. I am engeged now and I'll have to go and pick up my fiancee.

I cant be bothered tearing it down player by player. I told you who I rate higher than english players. On every other player I disagree. Some potentials no doubt but like most Nigerians they will underachieve and do nothing in a major competition.

 

[Dan]

++ [ originally posted by chxta ] ++


When last we played like a team? Against Cameroon in the last nation's cup.

We lost on penalties to Tunisia remember? And Tunisia's equaliser was a very contrversial penalty. Remember? I hate to have to say shyte like this, but Tunisia being the hosts had an unfair advantage in that competition. Their q-final with Senegal ended in a fracas after a controversial decision which Diouf didn't take lightly. Their semis against Nigeria almost errupted when they were awarded their penalty, and if you follow African football, u'll agree with me that the Nigerian NT is one of those teams, South Africa and Ghana being the others, that never quarrel with refereeing decisions. Even in the final against Morocco, there was some controversy.

Earlier in this thread, I made a list of my opinions of Nigerian potential first teamers versus England potential first teamers. No one has torn that list down player for player.

Please Blandie and Fred weasley, I am waiting...


P.S I don't have too much time. I am engeged now and I'll have to go and pick up my fiancee.

I do not doubt they are the best team in africa, and they could kill most of europes teams PLAYER FOR PLAYER. But the fact is, if nigeria was as rich as england and had the facilities, they could give them a run for their money. But this will not happen, and at the moment Nigeria is not as good as england. Terry and Rio for a start are better then any defender nigeria has to offer.

 

[Fred]

++ [ originally posted by chxta ] ++


Please try and follow my posts, I try not to argue on sentiment. If Nigeria were bad, I'll tell you.

For example, we were horrible in the last World Cup, but England still failed to beat what was probably the worst Nigerian squad since 1990.

As for the ACL, you and fred weasley have it all wrong to say that it is low quality.
The same way people like you say that Juventus-Milan UCL final was low quality because they don't know anything about Italian styled football .

Football styles vary in various regions, simple, and I agree that the first few rounds of the ACL always contains some of the most messed up football I've ever seen simply because we have to weed out teams from Tanzania et al. But follow from the quarters please.

no its not the same,i said i didnt like that final cause it lacked the pace and entertainment i was expecting to see,but i never said it was low quality.as for the ACl it is bad quality,and i assure you we get very good coverage about it here,but i'm not interested at all in it,therefore i'm not well informed about it.

 

[Dan]

++ [ originally posted by chxta ] ++


It says that there are too many crappy teams, and the competition needs qualifying stages like that of the UCL.

Imagine what the UCL would be like if MyPa made the first round all the time simply because they won the Moldavan league...

Thats a fair enough assumption, but a club competition has certain structures to ensure that only the best get through. In many smaller leagues, Ireland being an example, they must do the play offs even if they get first spot. A continental cup is a different format as they go through qualifying to weed out the weakest so only the strongest remains.