I've never said he was rubbish, all I said was that he was nothing special and you may add "yet" to that too.
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I think it's mostly a manager thing. Wenger and Ferguson have been particularly good at it. Part of that is that they're essentially untouchable. Italian clubs have been a lot more focussed on short term results for as long as I've been watching football. If you're going to be fired if you don't win the league in the next two years, why on earth would you give a young player playing time if you don't have to?
Fair enough.
Fair enough.
I believe the problem in Italy is the lack of a reserve league.
There is no opportunity for a team to see if a kid can handle playing against experienced pro's, because of there not being a step between the youth team and the senior team.
That's not an excuse for not giving some players a try; it's just a theory of mine.
There is no opportunity for a team to see if a kid can handle playing against experienced pro's, because of there not being a step between the youth team and the senior team.
That's not an excuse for not giving some players a try; it's just a theory of mine.
He is terrible at positioning. He destroys a lot of offside trap attempts and he often forgets his location and watches the ball.
He is good at one to one though and even better at attacking. He has pace and good dribbling skills.
If he can grow some muscles and learn to defend he will turn into a very good fullback. Or he could focus on his attacking talent and be a winger but Manu has enough of those already. He wouldnt start ahead of Obertan if I were coach.
I'd say we give him time to mature and learn average defending skills.
on the other hand i appreciate O'shea a lot. He is very good defensively and is average offensively. Plus he is a utility player that can fill in as CB and DM. They say he played in every position at manu except for a striker position.
He is good at one to one though and even better at attacking. He has pace and good dribbling skills.
If he can grow some muscles and learn to defend he will turn into a very good fullback. Or he could focus on his attacking talent and be a winger but Manu has enough of those already. He wouldnt start ahead of Obertan if I were coach.
I'd say we give him time to mature and learn average defending skills.
on the other hand i appreciate O'shea a lot. He is very good defensively and is average offensively. Plus he is a utility player that can fill in as CB and DM. They say he played in every position at manu except for a striker position.
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Very good point there. We don't take those things into consideration, the amount of pressure on Serie A managers to make it in the short term is immense and it harms that opportunity to play the young players. Ferrara and Prandeli come into mind here. Ciro started out with all that talk about playing the youth and giving them a go etc etc. Then when things were starting go south, he dumped it so fast because there was so much pressure on him to deliver and it was considered a risk ( and it is in many cases, look at De Ceglie for example). Prandelli on the other hand is the longest serving coach if am not mistaken and he has full confidence of the board. That is why Fiorentina blood many youngsters.
Red brings up a good point as well but I still think its a lack of management direction. These guys are the one of the pressures on coaches, so if they will not emphasise the importance of playing youngsters then it won't happen. A lot of responsibility is placed on them but they don't act on that important aspect of the development. The clowns we had abandoned all talk about youngsters when we started doing well two years ago, then did the same this year when things went south.
Red brings up a good point as well but I still think its a lack of management direction. These guys are the one of the pressures on coaches, so if they will not emphasise the importance of playing youngsters then it won't happen. A lot of responsibility is placed on them but they don't act on that important aspect of the development. The clowns we had abandoned all talk about youngsters when we started doing well two years ago, then did the same this year when things went south.
Agree with everything.
