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Paolo Sosa

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UAE corps. don't really like to compete with each other, maybe someone from Qatar or Saudia Arabia perhaps
then u definatly underestimate competition btw Abu Dhabi and Dubai in every aspect.

EMAAR VS ALDAR
EPCO VS ADNOC
DIC VS ADIA

these are just examples and the list goes on.
and by the way UAE sheiks can't be compaired to KSA princes in anyway, even though the KSA princes are more but they don't have the individual wealth of the UAE sheiks
 

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Ahmed

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then u definatly underestimate competition btw Abu Dhabi and Dubai in every aspect.

EMAAR VS ALDAR
EPCO VS ADNOC
DIC VS ADIA


these are just examples and the list goes on.
and by the way UAE sheiks can't be compaired to KSA princes in anyway, even though the KSA princes are more but they don't have the individual wealth of the UAE sheiks
puh-leeeez bro, Dubai hasn't got shit compared to Abu Dhabi...and these corps. were created because the US frowns upon the monopolistic practices that take place in the UAE
 
Sep 1, 2002
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then u definatly underestimate competition btw Abu Dhabi and Dubai in every aspect.

EMAAR VS ALDAR
EPCO VS ADNOC
DIC VS ADIA

these are just examples and the list goes on.
and by the way UAE sheiks can't be compaired to KSA princes in anyway, even though the KSA princes are more but they don't have the individual wealth of the UAE sheiks
Interesting: we could be in for some nonscence afteral.
 

Paolo Sosa

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puh-leeeez bro, Dubai hasn't got shit compared to Abu Dhabi...and these corps. were created because the US frowns upon the monopolistic practices that take place in the UAE
Bro trust me, my father is the head of project of the goverment of AD and i know exactly what am talking about, in every way Abu Dhabi try to compete with dubai, al though Abu Dhabi have the money but they always over spend.
 

Ahmed

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Bro trust me, my father is the head of project of the goverment of AD and i know exactly what am talking about, in every way Abu Dhabi try to compete with dubai, al though Abu Dhabi have the money but they always over spend.
yea, the Maktoum family is very smart in business...they have too much in Abu Dhabi, so u're right they don't manage it properly
 

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If what we're hearing about these people from Abu Dhabi is true, the way they're want to make a joke out of football, then not only me but I'm sure others as well.



I brought up our history to lay the grounds for the inevitable question you asked me in the first paragraph. Tradition is your answer.

At no point in time have the Agnelli's ever splashed out the same quantity of cash for our club annually (time adjusted, just to make sure we don't get into a finance discussion) as Abramovich has or this Dhabi group will. That is the difference. Owners such as Moratti and Berlusconi have also smashed out more cash annually than the Agnelli family. They certainly helped us along, but we have never had the financial capability of the other clubs. We have just been more intelligent with our money after working up from a grassroots tradition.



The economist in me says the word 'deserve' doesn't mean anything.

The fan in me says Man City doesn't have the credentials to deserve all this cash, in which their fans will immediately equate to being a great club.

So sure, let them spend all this cash on players, thus driving up the market and potentially causing quite the reversal in the future. Honestly, Enron, I don't know why you wouldn't oppose this takeover because it means you'll be worse off than before in terms of league position, transfers, and potentially as a league some time in the future.

This is also bad news for all the other smaller clubs who won't get any more money.

But hey, you guys in England want the best league. You certainly have it, thanks to money. I guess the good news here is that English football will continue to be shit, so that puts a smile on my face.

The downfall of the league will also put a smile on my face, too.
You're far too biased to read properly. I never said I was in favor of the takeover, merely that I wasn't going spend my season crying about it. I don't like the takeover at all.

The second day going into the possible takeover hardly makes it a crisis. There are obviously some things that need to be fixed, but it's hardly something to go kamikazee over Manchester frickin' City about. I just really can't get irate about this. I'll practice though, I promise.

Ranting about "stupid English cunts are going to be talking shit now grrrrr" is hardly a valid or mature argument. "Grrr I hate english grrr, cunts, cunts" doesn't really work. If that's your only reason to be so avidly against the takeover then it's not valid.

As far as you "the economist in me", but "the fan in me" bullshit. Shut up dude. You hate the English so bad it gives you a hard on. Apparently I'm English and I also live in England, so that's a new development as well. It may put a smile on your face Andrew but you're an really spiteful fuck and your hate for the English is totally unwarranted.

Now to make some sense without the use of my clubs history because it really does not matter.

That was really a total bullshit answer to my original question of whether or not Juventuz posters would be so angry if the arabs had purchased them yesterday and picked Robinho on the way home from the cash and carry. A good answer might have been something like "well it's hard to complain with so much money, but the whole ethical thing would really bother me". To give the story of how Papa Agnelli invested in Juve with installments instead throwing the whole wad on the table doesn't really tell me anything. That's really nice that you guys kind of built from the "grassroots of football" before getting your big financial push. But it still doesn't answer the fuckin' question.

Man City has a pretty good youth academy, look at the results in the last few years. Comparably, with other teams if I'm in the market to buy a football club. Manc Jr looks pretty good. They have good young players, a solid academy, and they've been around for a long time.

People blame the English top four for all the inflation in the transfer market when Madrid was try to drop 100 mil on Christiano Ronaldo and Inter just bought Quaresma for like 30. On top of that Zenit was trying to get 30 for their boy Arshavin. The truth is there are problems with transfers all over. The English just have a more lenient financial system. Perhaps that needs changed, but that's going to take time considering it would require a complete reworking of their financial system. Another thing is transfers. Placing a transfer limit is another idea. Still nothing is really being talked about. The 6+5 thing is a great idea and would no doubt a benefit to England's program as well as others, the problem is that it doesn't stop Man City from being purchased by some guy with more money than a small country.

Now I feel like Cronios. But I had a lot to say.
 

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then u definatly underestimate competition btw Abu Dhabi and Dubai in every aspect.

EMAAR VS ALDAR
EPCO VS ADNOC
DIC VS ADIA

these are just examples and the list goes on.
and by the way UAE sheiks can't be compaired to KSA princes in anyway, even though the KSA princes are more but they don't have the individual wealth of the UAE sheiks
puh-leeeez bro, Dubai hasn't got shit compared to Abu Dhabi...and these corps. were created because the US frowns upon the monopolistic practices that take place in the UAE
There is me thinking that Dubia was the real power house.
Dubai is just more high-profile...the real money (oil) is with Abu Dhabi
Bro trust me, my father is the head of project of the goverment of AD and i know exactly what am talking about, in every way Abu Dhabi try to compete with dubai, al though Abu Dhabi have the money but they always over spend.
yea, the Maktoum family is very smart in business...they have too much in Abu Dhabi, so u're right they don't manage it properly
another thing ADIA brings into the Abu Dhabi budget asmuch as the Oil. so money is really not an issue in Abu Dhabi
A lesson in arab economics. YES!:juventus:
 
Sep 1, 2002
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You're far too biased to read properly. I never said I was in favor of the takeover, merely that I wasn't going spend my season crying about it. I don't like the takeover at all.

The second day going into the possible takeover hardly makes it a crisis. There are obviously some things that need to be fixed, but it's hardly something to go kamikazee over Manchester frickin' City about. I just really can't get irate about this. I'll practice though, I promise.

Ranting about "stupid English cunts are going to be talking shit now grrrrr" is hardly a valid or mature argument. "Grrr I hate english grrr, cunts, cunts" doesn't really work. If that's your only reason to be so avidly against the takeover then it's not valid.

As far as you "the economist in me", but "the fan in me" bullshit. Shut up dude. You hate the English so bad it gives you a hard on. Apparently I'm English and I also live in England, so that's a new development as well. It may put a smile on your face Andrew but you're an really spiteful fuck and your hate for the English is totally unwarranted.

Now to make some sense without the use of my clubs history because it really does not matter.

That was really a total bullshit answer to my original question of whether or not Juventuz posters would be so angry if the arabs had purchased them yesterday and picked Robinho on the way home from the cash and carry. A good answer might have been something like "well it's hard to complain with so much money, but the whole ethical thing would really bother me". To give the story of how Papa Agnelli invested in Juve with installments instead throwing the whole wad on the table doesn't really tell me anything. That's really nice that you guys kind of built from the "grassroots of football" before getting your big financial push. But it still doesn't answer the fuckin' question.

Man City has a pretty good youth academy, look at the results in the last few years. Comparably, with other teams if I'm in the market to buy a football club. Manc Jr looks pretty good. They have good young players, a solid academy, and they've been around for a long time.

People blame the English top four for all the inflation in the transfer market when Madrid was try to drop 100 mil on Christiano Ronaldo and Inter just bought Quaresma for like 30. On top of that Zenit was trying to get 30 for their boy Arshavin. The truth is there are problems with transfers all over. The English just have a more lenient financial system. Perhaps that needs changed, but that's going to take time considering it would require a complete reworking of their financial system. Another thing is transfers. Placing a transfer limit is another idea. Still nothing is really being talked about. The 6+5 thing is a great idea and would no doubt a benefit to England's program as well as others, the problem is that it doesn't stop Man City from being purchased by some guy with more money than a small country.

Now I feel like Cronios. But I had a lot to say.
Good points, well put.
 

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To Andy's point, we're force-fed the EPL here. Most television coverage and sports analysts in America act like no soccer universe exists beyond the Anglo-Saxon world. So we're subjected to ridiculous displays of unwarranted arrogance on a daily basis. If this were about skin color instead of football nationalities, it would be absolute racism here.
I'm sure Italians and the Spanish think they have the best leagues in the world as well. I'm also sure they don't watch the MLS either.

It makes so much sense that the most popular league in America would be the EPL.
The EPL has invested a lot in the American audience, it's quite amazing how far they've come in the last 10 years. That's a marketing machine.

I'm sure if Americans spoke Italian we'd have the same thing going on. And all the Englishman would be saying "Those damn Italians brainwashing the Americans, they think their soccer is sooo good. Cunts." It's really the luck of the draw.

But hardly something to get so worked up about. Get pissed about something worth a damn, like exploiting Africa or Antartic ant farmers something.
 

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:) you'll know who/what to expect next time Pool are up for sale :D
Well we are do to be undergo refinancing in January. There's still no solid plans for a new stadium. So I'm thinking offers should be incoming by the end of December.
 

Bjerknes

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As far as you "the economist in me", but "the fan in me" bullshit. Shut up dude. You hate the English so bad it gives you a hard on. Apparently I'm English and I also live in England, so that's a new development as well. It may put a smile on your face Andrew but you're an really spiteful fuck and your hate for the English is totally unwarranted.
Well that's too bad. But what I say is the truth. Who else am I supposed to blame for the idiocy I see across the US in terms of football support? You're obviously the exception, but 99% of the people I've met are the stereotypical "across the seas EPL fan" who support an EPL side because the media dished it to them. Sad, but true.

Should I hate that 99%? Yes, yes I should. They give Americans a bad name and just compound the stereotype that Americans don't know anything about football. I find it annoying that basically within the 99% of the fans I deal with here, I will either have to 1) just keep the talk about the Premiership or 2) hear about how great of a league it is and how English football is the best. This is the raw truth, and from what I've seen, the English are the entity that has spurred this plague on here with the utmost success. So yes, I'm going to hate the EPL. Too bad.

Take your expletives elsewhere


That was really a total bullshit answer to my original question of whether or not Juventuz posters would be so angry if the arabs had purchased them yesterday and picked Robinho on the way home from the cash and carry. A good answer might have been something like "well it's hard to complain with so much money, but the whole ethical thing would really bother me". To give the story of how Papa Agnelli invested in Juve with installments instead throwing the whole wad on the table doesn't really tell me anything. That's really nice that you guys kind of built from the "grassroots of football" before getting your big financial push. But it still doesn't answer the fuckin' question.
Settle down. The reason why I gave that historical piece was to merely give my opinion on the matter, that's all.

Sure, the money would be nice, but if foreign investors make a mockery out the club, then no, I don't want that money. And the last thing I want my club to be, IS SOME FUCKING PLAY TOY for people who have never had an interest in the club. The Agnelli's always have an interest. So if that answer isn't good enough, too bad, Enron.
 

Bjerknes

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And the Italian media is more arrogant about their nation's football from a national point of view, not club. But they have every reason to be arrogant... they won the World Cup!

Then we go to England, and they proclaim they have the best football when they're not even in the Euros.

That is the difference.
 
Sep 1, 2002
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Exactly what reasons should Americans support any European club?
Family connections ( guess there'll be a lot of Celtic fans among others).
Having visited the country/city (presuming they have).
Having seen them on TV ( well lots of fans foe English clubs then).
Fancying a bit of exotic ( lots of Swedish fans then).
 
Sep 1, 2002
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And the Italian media is more arrogant about their nation's football from a national point of view, not club. But they have every reason to be arrogant... they won the World Cup!

Then we go to England, and they proclaim they have the best football when they're not even in the Euros.

That is the difference.
You no like Inglisse, no euros in pockets?
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Exactly what reasons should Americans support any European club?
Family connections ( guess there'll be a lot of Celtic fans among others).
Having visited the country/city (presuming they have).
Having seen them on TV ( well lots of fans foe English clubs then).
Fancying a bit of exotic ( lots of Swedish fans then).
Good arguments to either side.

Perhaps I should support the MLS, but when I started liking football, that league wasn't born yet. There wasn't really a professional league here until around World Cup 1994.
 
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