[ENG] Premiership 2008/2009 (27 Viewers)

[Bozi]

i aint angry as such, its just the ignorance that lurks here. this cunt on sky today was saying how great england is, but why doesnt he see that england promotes all the wrong things in football. yeh sure i would like some money pumped into juve but i wouldnt want us to be sell outs like man city.

the otehr day i was watching sky sports phone in and this liverpool fan was blasting benitez and his signing policy,yet the mans ignorance was unbelievable. he was going on about dosenna and how he must be a below-average defender because "he can't even get in the italian team" regardless of the fact that italy are world champions it was the arrogance of his presumption that everything outside of england is shit

Football, money, success.

This is a new concept?
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Rich clubs have always been the most successful, lets not be so hypocritical: our own club have had a modicum of titles in no small part to some rich fellow, whose name escapes me now.

the sheer difference of the situations aside i suppose you do have a valid point there

Maybe City will use their power for good and not evil?

Still I can't really see why everyone here is so upset. No one on this site would complain if some dude with more cowboy cash than he could could count grabbed up Juve and started purchasing world class talent.

nah the "bring back succo" campaign would really kick-off after our 2nd successive Cl win

Spot on. And not only it's bad for the sport, but then we'll have these cunts and fans of these cunts claiming they're now some legendary club or something when they've won fuckall. They have no history, no tradition, just money and now a bunch of grimy bastard fans.

If that isn't good for football, I don't know what is.

tbh their situation is no different to chelsea's when abramovic took over. their EPL title was their first in 50 years but their fans go on like they are the grandest of clubs

Chelsea didn't win much before Roman and look at them now.

If they have money, it doesn't matter, they'll attract any player as long as he isn't loyal to a club.

Saying that we don't know what will happen is avoiding the point when it's obvious that if the deal goes through, they will have potentially half a billion at their disposal for club purposes.

exactly andy we learned the hard way that sometimes, no matter how big your club is, the hard-earned loyalty of top players can be bought when success is on offer elsewhere

 

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[Enron]

Caucasians don't like nons elbowing in on their hobbies.

Still money has a way: Dubai Man Utd take over by end of season?

It's more likely a Dubai takeover of Liverpool. Especially if the CL goes rotten and with the refinancing in January and not to mention the stadium.

 

[bianconero]

Dubai will want to send a message to the upstarts and Liverpool is not loud enough.

Still it won't be Juve, the reason being Italy's financial structure.

 

[Ahmed]

Caucasians don't like nons elbowing in on their hobbies.

Still money has a way: Dubai Man Utd take over by end of season?

UAE corps. don't really like to compete with each other, maybe someone from Qatar or Saudia Arabia perhaps

 

[bianconero]

UAE corps. don't really like to compete with each other, maybe someone from Qatar or Saudia Arabia perhaps

Good point: who though?

 

[Ahmed]

couldn't tell you really, every other guy is a Sheikh and a multimillionaire 100 times over...KSA alone has something like 75,000 'Princes'

 

[bianconero]

If you look at horse racing it was just sport and thrills, and to begin with money was no object.

Who knows Cardiff City may yet win the Champions League.

 

[Enron]

Dubai will want to send a message to the upstarts and Liverpool is not loud enough.

Still it won't be Juve, the reason being Italy's financial structure.

Do you really think the Glazers would sell?

 

[bianconero]

Do you really think the Glazers would sell?

They would sell their own granny, for the right money.

 

[Enron]

Smashing.

 

[Bjerknes]

Let me repeat and rephrase so that you may understand, Andrew. If those guys had purchased Juventus yesterday and purchased Robinho. Who here would object?

If what we're hearing about these people from Abu Dhabi is true, the way they're want to make a joke out of football, then not only me but I'm sure others as well.

Why you have to revert to the long known story of the Agnelli's investment is beyond me. I didn't say anything about that. But still without the Agnelli's cash Juventus's final jump to the elite of football would have been more difficult.
Same can be said for Milan, Bayern, Man U, etc (probably even my team too).

I brought up our history to lay the grounds for the inevitable question you asked me in the first paragraph. Tradition is your answer.

At no point in time have the Agnelli's ever splashed out the same quantity of cash for our club annually (time adjusted, just to make sure we don't get into a finance discussion) as Abramovich has or this Dhabi group will. That is the difference. Owners such as Moratti and Berlusconi have also smashed out more cash annually than the Agnelli family. They certainly helped us along, but we have never had the financial capability of the other clubs. We have just been more intelligent with our money after working up from a grassroots tradition.

The thing I've noticed (my club too) is that all the old boys of football seem to have the entitlement thing going on. City hasn't won anything yet, so what it is they don't deserve?

The economist in me says the word 'deserve' doesn't mean anything.

The fan in me says Man City doesn't have the credentials to deserve all this cash, in which their fans will immediately equate to being a great club.

So sure, let them spend all this cash on players, thus driving up the market and potentially causing quite the reversal in the future. Honestly, Enron, I don't know why you wouldn't oppose this takeover because it means you'll be worse off than before in terms of league position, transfers, and potentially as a league some time in the future.

This is also bad news for all the other smaller clubs who won't get any more money.

But hey, you guys in England want the best league. You certainly have it, thanks to money. I guess the good news here is that English football will continue to be shit, so that puts a smile on my face.

The downfall of the league will also put a smile on my face, too.

 

[bianconero]

Why is English football hated by many here so passionately?

I would have thought that Market forces would be embraced by more of our over the water members.

 

[Bjerknes]

exactly andy we learned the hard way that sometimes, no matter how big your club is, the hard-earned loyalty of top players can be bought when success is on offer elsewhere

Truth.

 

[Bjerknes]

Why is English football hated by many here so passionately?

I would have thought that Market forces would be embraced by more of our over the water members.

One would have to live here to fully understand.

Too many people in the US are brainwashed by English football marketers, so those marketers really make people thoroughly misinformed about any league other than the Premiership.

That's why I hate them. They think they're the best, yet they can't even have a meaningful discussion about another league.

 

[bianconero]

Coffee bean sellers are not going to extol the virtues of tea.

 

[Bjerknes]

But if you don't know the difference, what's it matter?

 

[swag]

To Andy's point, we're force-fed the EPL here. Most television coverage and sports analysts in America act like no soccer universe exists beyond the Anglo-Saxon world. So we're subjected to ridiculous displays of unwarranted arrogance on a daily basis. If this were about skin color instead of football nationalities, it would be absolute racism here.

 

[bianconero]

Ah, I do pity you Americans for this fact.

 

[Ahmed]

To Andy's point, we're force-fed the EPL here. Most television coverage and sports analysts in America act like no soccer universe exists beyond the Anglo-Saxon world. So we're subjected to ridiculous displays of unwarranted arrogance on a daily basis. If this were about skin color instead of football nationalities, it would be absolute racism here.

I used to get FSC before, and they're fuckin' obsessed with the EPL

 

[bianconero]

Ignorance is bliss for they who have it and he'll for those in their company.