[ENG] Premier League 2015/2016 (37 Viewers)

[Alex-444]

GoodLuck Gwidolin

 

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[Zacheryah]

I'm not taking credit away from them, I was talking about style more than effectiveness. Leciester are the team of the year for me, its astonishing what they're doing with the resources they have, I'd be comfortable giving Ranieri manager of the season from today, that's how much I rate his achievement.

But you're criticizing EPL teams for their fast paced, lack of control ping pong football. You point out like many EPL critics do, that that style causes teams to concede silly goals, and it makes high scoring games possible(Wasn't the Liverpool - Norwich game what triggered this fresh bout of criticism?). I'm saying Leicester epitomize that style of football, look at how many high scoring games they were involved in. You watch them, and their style of football is sit deep and counter attack at rapid pace, it causes them to score a lot of goals but at the same time they rarely have any semblance of control over a game and they concede a bucket load of goals; their football is like a game of pinball arcade. Isn't that exactly what you're criticizing? How could you then go on and say Leciester is a balanced team?

ALl the "top teams", got midfields wich contain slender pacy sprinters, uk based, strong and technical black players, who are also mostly forward minded, but they have no controll in that midfield. Where are the supportive roles, where are the proper cdm's that arent closet b2b midfielders, the players who dont play to shine but to make others shine ? This is what i mean with balance

 

[Nenz]

Some teams are moving more towards a continental style of football; i.e. they put more emphasis on proper and patient build up, and try to control the ball rather than mindlessly kick it forward. Yet you get pundits like Andy Gray jumping on Martinez whenever the results aren't going his way and blaming it on what he calls "tippy tappy football". The biggest problem in England is the football culture of the fans, media and pundits. Busting a gut, getting stuck in and playing it forward at all costs are more valued than patient build up, tactical awareness, emphasis on positioning etc.

I get extremely frustrated by the Arsenal forums for example; players like Aaron Ramsey for example are extremely overrated. In any other country in the world, comparing Ramsey to Cazorla would be a crime; Ramsey loses the ball way too often, has poor positional awareness defensively and will always bomb forward and leave gaps in midfield; in any other country Ramsey might be considered a good player because he has unbelievable stamina, he gets in good forward positions, he has a good shot on him and he can score goals, but he'll never be considered a very good midfielder until he significantly improves the aforementioned issues. You go to Arsenal forums, and you'll see him being considered one of the top midfielders in Europe because he busts a gut and scores goals.

Like I said, the football culture in England is the main problem. Many foreign managers understand that; which is why Benitez never played Gerrard in a two man midfield, he played him behind the lone striker and on the wing. It's why Mourinho played Lampard as a CM in a 3 man midfield, never in a two man midfield where his lack of positional awareness(defensively), and it's also why before our injury crisis Ramsey was always thrown out on the right wing, rarely was he played as a midfielder alongside the other DM.

It's a culture of football superficiality: goals are good, end to end football is good. Which is very true. But the way that English football achieves those ends is through rushed football that is looking more and more foosballesque. Really (and a lot of this is based on the City and the Liverpool games fresh in my mind from last night) teams don't look like they attack or defend with all 11 men on the pitch. Who needs organisation when you have speed, strength, and flair in individuals?

Maybe I'm embellishing slightly because I've only watched half a dozen games this season. But that's all I see. And the elitism really comes through the commentary box and of course in the British press. It's a league that loves to sell itself which you can tell by enchanted fans in countries like Australia, where most people wouldn't have even watched a game of football before the EPL's rise to primacy. They don't know a thing about any other league or the history and evolution of football. All they know is that English football is fast and exciting, and that Italian football is a scoreless borefest. The EPL, for one reason or another, tapped into that fringe market before any other league could. But it's starting to fall on it's own sword with a mix of poor management and exuberance which comes with unprecedented wealth . It's great.

If Mahrez didn't miss the two back to back PK he had against Bournesmouth and Villa , Leicester would have additional 4 points. Hope they wont regret those miss.

Ranieri ain't winning a league title.

 

[Seven]

I wouldn't say City are tactically astute at all. I rate their squad as individuals very highly, if they were tactically astute they would be one of the top teams in Europe. I honestly believe their squad is only second to the top 3 of Real, Barca and Bayern. Yet because they don't have balance and cannot defend to save their lives, they never do well in Europe.

Chelsea were a very balanced team with Mourinho. I think we are getting better at that in the past year, year and a half, but we keep bottling it against the small teams in Europe.



It does become a problem for their national team when unlike their clubs they can't bring in foreign players to balance it out. They end up with a midfield and defense full of players who are incapable of being clever and patient with the ball, and instead keep hoofing it up and playing it forward at every opportunity.

As for Ramsey, he is extremely overrated IMO, he's not a top midfielder, not even close. He's a good player to have, he's quite useful but nowhere near how highly he's rated by British media,pundits and fans.

City are not tactically astute no. But at least they have some awareness, that was my point.

 

[lgorTudor]

#bantz

 

[Hængebøffer]

Good to see a lot of English players on the field.

 

[lgorTudor]

Good to see a lot of English players on the field.

no, there are not many english players on the pitch. Why are you posting wrong facts

Mertesucker Go Leicester

 

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And this is why Arsenal will never win a meaningful trophy again.

 

[DutchJuventino]

Mertesacker send off

0-1 Chelsea, Diego Costa

... Wenger is the most incompetent coach if we talk about tactics. Blunder, on blunder, on blunder, on blunder. Unbelievable was a mediocre tactical-coach. He let his team play good an attractive football but he will never win the BPL with it. I hope Arsenal will lose, so Leicester have some space.

 

[Ocelot]

I can't really get into it. I watched Norwich - Liverpool and Westham - City this morning and the clearest distinction to be made from Serie A is the mindless efforts to attack all the time, no matter how poor an option passing or dribbling towards goal might be. The primary tactic of most EPL teams seems to be to play the ball forward even if certain passes aren't on. And the predictable result is that that team loses possession. Then the team that wins the ball makes the same error. Rather than pass it back to the keeper or a defender and patiently play it from the back with a less risky pass to a free player in a better position (I rarely see defenders play the ball in EPL), they hastily pass forward to a marked player or sky the ball goalward. And the tennis match ensues. Only lousy defending can save these teams from themselves, and it does very often.

I see it all the time and it's frustrating to watch how impatient EPL teams are. It's a blitzkrieg approach where a relentless thrust towards goal takes priority over keeping the ball from the opposition and waiting for the right moment to attack. Passes back to the keeper or center half seem to be made only in panicky desperation and not deployed as a tactic. It must be seen as an act of cowardice or something to control and play the ball in relative safety at the back. At least that's the impression I got watching those games this morning.

Italian football values possession not only as means of defense, but to manipulate the opposition, to move them around with a string of patient passes and get them to lose their shape. It's about waiting for the right moment to make a move and that's what I find (among other things) so fascinating about Calcio. It usually takes something tactically and/or technically special to score.

Not the most succinct explanation but that, in a nutshell, is what I hate about English football.

You know what? Evra said virtually the same a few months ago:

http://maulikkheradiya-001-site18.smarterasp.net/football/evra-serie-a-tactically-superior-to-epl/

“When I’ve got the ball I have three solutions. I have to choose the best one. In England, sometimes you’ve got the ball and you have to create something with your own skill."

“But in Italy they don’t leave you time to create. Allegri always says ‘if this door is closed, why do through it? Go to the open door. If that one is closed again, pass the ball back. Then you go to the other door.’ That’s their philosophy, and I’m so lucky to get all of this information.”

 

[Nenz]

He explains it a lot more clearly. It's crazy how a 30 year old Evra wasn't familiar with a basic philosophy such as that. It's not a tactical phenomenon, it's almost common football sense. I don't think there's anything about English football that renders this tactic incompatible with the league. Surely if one of the top 5 teams adopted it they would be miles ahead and not conceding three goals to middle-table sides.

 

[DutchJuventino]

You know what? Evra said virtually the same a few months ago:

http://maulikkheradiya-001-site18.smarterasp.net/football/evra-serie-a-tactically-superior-to-epl/

“When I’ve got the ball I have three solutions. I have to choose the best one. In England, sometimes you’ve got the ball and you have to create something with your own skill."

“But in Italy they don’t leave you time to create. Allegri always says 'if this door is closed, why do through it? Go to the open door. If that one is closed again, pass the ball back. Then you go to the other door.’ That’s their philosophy, and I’m so lucky to get all of this information.”

What a great analogy.

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Oh and Guidolin (I like him) is now coach by Swansea City. He won his first match against Everton.

Another Italian coach who will rape the BPL?

 

[kao_ray]

OMG Leicester are actually going to win it...

 

[Post Ironic]

He explains it a lot more clearly. It's crazy how a 30 year old Evra wasn't familiar with a basic philosophy such as that. It's not a tactical phenomenon, it's almost common football sense. I don't think there's anything about English football that renders this tactic incompatible with the league. Surely if one of the top 5 teams adopted it they would be miles ahead and not conceding three goals to middle-table sides.

Chelsea did last season. It's why they won the league by 8 points, even though they scored 10 less goals than ManCity. Mourinho found a way to have his players buy into a footballing philosophy with proper tactics and positioning.

Somehow, the players rebelled against that this year, and instead wanted to play traditional brainless English football. They must have seen the fun game of kick and run other teams were playing and decided to hell with Mourinho's tactical acumen, footballers deserve to have fun.

 

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There goes the Arse.

 

[Alex-444]

pathetic League
pathetic match

 

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[DutchJuventino]

 

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[Nenz]

Chelsea did last season. It's why they won the league by 8 points, even though they scored 10 less goals than ManCity. Mourinho found a way to have his players buy into a footballing philosophy with proper tactics and positioning.

Somehow, the players rebelled against that this year, and instead wanted to play traditional brainless English football. They must have seen the fun game of kick and run other teams were playing and decided to hell with Mourinho's tactical acumen, footballers deserve to have fun.

Yes Mourinho copped a lot of shit in the process for that. But it didn't help bust the myth that that a less frenetic style of play results in fewer goals scored. Juve are a perfect example of a side that can run minimal risks throughout a game and still create loads of chances.

It's strange to see Klopp and Van Gaal, instead of bringing fresh ideas to their clubs, wholeheartedly embrace the chaotic english style. Maybe the culture Fred was talking about is so strong that managers find difficulty blemishing the identity the EPL has created. Like I said, there are millions of EPL bandwagoners all over the world that have bought right into the EPL's unique brand of tough, direct football. People that wouldn't have liked football 15 years ago because it was too slow. And when a manager steps out of line (Mourinho, who's Chelsea last year I didn't find particularly boring anyhow, just different), they get trashed by pundits and the media in general.

The more I talk about it the more I'm making it sound like some conspiracy