Cricket scores at football games are nice once in a while, but every week in the PL is too much. It's just too haphazard and insanely naive tactically for me to enjoy anymore.
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Awful, overrated league. The so called top teams are pure comedy.
Leicester never really had a chance of winning - would be something otherworldly and incredibly awesome if they do - but there's a very good chance that they'll affect England's coefficient next season. They're inching closer to sealing their top-4 spot every passing week.
City's midfield and defense aren't going to improve unless the past-it Toure discovers the fountain of youth (should be fitter than this at 32 though; looks like a stuffed turkey on the pitch). Whether they're slight faves or bigger favorites depends on Aguero's fitness.
Is there a video of what happened to Darmian?
Leicester never really had a chance of winning - would be something otherworldly and incredibly awesome if they do - but there's a very good chance that they'll affect England's coefficient next season. They're inching closer to sealing their top-4 spot every passing week.
City's midfield and defense aren't going to improve unless the past-it Toure discovers the fountain of youth (should be fitter than this at 32 though; looks like a stuffed turkey on the pitch). Whether they're slight faves or bigger favorites depends on Aguero's fitness.
Is there a video of what happened to Darmian?
I can't really get into it. I watched Norwich - Liverpool and Westham - City this morning and the clearest distinction to be made from Serie A is the mindless efforts to attack all the time, no matter how poor an option passing or dribbling towards goal might be. The primary tactic of most EPL teams seems to be to play the ball forward even if certain passes aren't on. And the predictable result is that that team loses possession. Then the team that wins the ball makes the same error. Rather than pass it back to the keeper or a defender and patiently play it from the back with a less risky pass to a free player in a better position (I rarely see defenders play the ball in EPL), they hastily pass forward to a marked player or sky the ball goalward. And the tennis match ensues. Only lousy defending can save these teams from themselves, and it does very often.
I see it all the time and it's frustrating to watch how impatient EPL teams are. It's a blitzkrieg approach where a relentless thrust towards goal takes priority over keeping the ball from the opposition and waiting for the right moment to attack. Passes back to the keeper or center half seem to be made only in panicky desperation and not deployed as a tactic. It must be seen as an act of cowardice or something to control and play the ball in relative safety at the back. At least that's the impression I got watching those games this morning.
Italian football values possession not only as means of defense, but to manipulate the opposition, to move them around with a string of patient passes and get them to lose their shape. It's about waiting for the right moment to make a move and that's what I find (among other things) so fascinating about Calcio. It usually takes something tactically and/or technically special to score.
Not the most succinct explanation but that, in a nutshell, is what I hate about English football.
I see it all the time and it's frustrating to watch how impatient EPL teams are. It's a blitzkrieg approach where a relentless thrust towards goal takes priority over keeping the ball from the opposition and waiting for the right moment to attack. Passes back to the keeper or center half seem to be made only in panicky desperation and not deployed as a tactic. It must be seen as an act of cowardice or something to control and play the ball in relative safety at the back. At least that's the impression I got watching those games this morning.
Italian football values possession not only as means of defense, but to manipulate the opposition, to move them around with a string of patient passes and get them to lose their shape. It's about waiting for the right moment to make a move and that's what I find (among other things) so fascinating about Calcio. It usually takes something tactically and/or technically special to score.
Not the most succinct explanation but that, in a nutshell, is what I hate about English football.
Greatest league in the world.
Op top is a relegation team because they are actually balanced and play with proper tactical setup.
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Op top is a relegation team because they are actually balanced and play with proper tactical setup.
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Its utter garbage and shit
How can you call them balanced? They are a typical EPL side, they make elementary defensive mistakes constantly, but make up for it by playing defensively and being very effective on the counter attack. They are a typical EPL side in that they rarely can string a few passes together, they epitomize the kind of ping pong football non EPL fans love to criticize.
Have you even watched Leicester play?
How can you call them balanced? They are a typical EPL side, they make elementary defensive mistakes constantly, but make up for it by playing defensively and being very effective on the counter attack. They are a typical EPL side in that they rarely can string a few passes together, they epitomize the kind of ping pong football non EPL fans love to criticize.
How can you call them balanced? They are a typical EPL side, they make elementary defensive mistakes constantly, but make up for it by playing defensively and being very effective on the counter attack. They are a typical EPL side in that they rarely can string a few passes together, they epitomize the kind of ping pong football non EPL fans love to criticize.
Some teams are moving more towards a continental style of football; i.e. they put more emphasis on proper and patient build up, and try to control the ball rather than mindlessly kick it forward. Yet you get pundits like Andy Gray jumping on Martinez whenever the results aren't going his way and blaming it on what he calls "tippy tappy football". The biggest problem in England is the football culture of the fans, media and pundits. Busting a gut, getting stuck in and playing it forward at all costs are more valued than patient build up, tactical awareness, emphasis on positioning etc.
I get extremely frustrated by the Arsenal forums for example; players like Aaron Ramsey for example are extremely overrated. In any other country in the world, comparing Ramsey to Cazorla would be a crime; Ramsey loses the ball way too often, has poor positional awareness defensively and will always bomb forward and leave gaps in midfield; in any other country Ramsey might be considered a good player because he has unbelievable stamina, he gets in good forward positions, he has a good shot on him and he can score goals, but he'll never be considered a very good midfielder until he significantly improves the aforementioned issues. You go to Arsenal forums, and you'll see him being considered one of the top midfielders in Europe because he busts a gut and scores goals.
Like I said, the football culture in England is the main problem. Many foreign managers understand that; which is why Benitez never played Gerrard in a two man midfield, he played him behind the lone striker and on the wing. It's why Mourinho played Lampard as a CM in a 3 man midfield, never in a two man midfield where his lack of positional awareness(defensively), and it's also why before our injury crisis Ramsey was always thrown out on the right wing, rarely was he played as a midfielder alongside the other DM.
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Only because the competition is weak, because to be honest, we aren't that good either.
I think we can do it, but we need to take advantage of City's slump. They have the best squad in the league; you feel at any time they could get back to their best.
I get extremely frustrated by the Arsenal forums for example; players like Aaron Ramsey for example are extremely overrated. In any other country in the world, comparing Ramsey to Cazorla would be a crime; Ramsey loses the ball way too often, has poor positional awareness defensively and will always bomb forward and leave gaps in midfield; in any other country Ramsey might be considered a good player because he has unbelievable stamina, he gets in good forward positions, he has a good shot on him and he can score goals, but he'll never be considered a very good midfielder until he significantly improves the aforementioned issues. You go to Arsenal forums, and you'll see him being considered one of the top midfielders in Europe because he busts a gut and scores goals.
Like I said, the football culture in England is the main problem. Many foreign managers understand that; which is why Benitez never played Gerrard in a two man midfield, he played him behind the lone striker and on the wing. It's why Mourinho played Lampard as a CM in a 3 man midfield, never in a two man midfield where his lack of positional awareness(defensively), and it's also why before our injury crisis Ramsey was always thrown out on the right wing, rarely was he played as a midfielder alongside the other DM.
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Only because the competition is weak, because to be honest, we aren't that good either.
I think we can do it, but we need to take advantage of City's slump. They have the best squad in the league; you feel at any time they could get back to their best.
Have you even watched Leicester play?
How can you call them balanced? They are a typical EPL side, they make elementary defensive mistakes constantly, but make up for it by playing defensively and being very effective on the counter attack. They are a typical EPL side in that they rarely can string a few passes together, they epitomize the kind of ping pong football non EPL fans love to criticize.
How can you call them balanced? They are a typical EPL side, they make elementary defensive mistakes constantly, but make up for it by playing defensively and being very effective on the counter attack. They are a typical EPL side in that they rarely can string a few passes together, they epitomize the kind of ping pong football non EPL fans love to criticize.
City are nice to watch and do have some balance. Tactically they are decent, but nowhere near for example Juve's level. Which is why they were well beaten by us, because they should have the quality to at least make it a game.
I wouldn't say City are tactically astute at all. I rate their squad as individuals very highly, if they were tactically astute they would be one of the top teams in Europe. I honestly believe their squad is only second to the top 3 of Real, Barca and Bayern. Yet because they don't have balance and cannot defend to save their lives, they never do well in Europe.
Chelsea were a very balanced team with Mourinho. I think we are getting better at that in the past year, year and a half, but we keep bottling it against the small teams in Europe.
It does become a problem for their national team when unlike their clubs they can't bring in foreign players to balance it out. They end up with a midfield and defense full of players who are incapable of being clever and patient with the ball, and instead keep hoofing it up and playing it forward at every opportunity.
As for Ramsey, he is extremely overrated IMO, he's not a top midfielder, not even close. He's a good player to have, he's quite useful but nowhere near how highly he's rated by British media,pundits and fans.
Chelsea were a very balanced team with Mourinho. I think we are getting better at that in the past year, year and a half, but we keep bottling it against the small teams in Europe.
It does become a problem for their national team when unlike their clubs they can't bring in foreign players to balance it out. They end up with a midfield and defense full of players who are incapable of being clever and patient with the ball, and instead keep hoofing it up and playing it forward at every opportunity.
As for Ramsey, he is extremely overrated IMO, he's not a top midfielder, not even close. He's a good player to have, he's quite useful but nowhere near how highly he's rated by British media,pundits and fans.
Have you even watched Leicester play?
How can you call them balanced? They are a typical EPL side, they make elementary defensive mistakes constantly, but make up for it by playing defensively and being very effective on the counter attack. They are a typical EPL side in that they rarely can string a few passes together, they epitomize the kind of ping pong football non EPL fans love to criticize.
How can you call them balanced? They are a typical EPL side, they make elementary defensive mistakes constantly, but make up for it by playing defensively and being very effective on the counter attack. They are a typical EPL side in that they rarely can string a few passes together, they epitomize the kind of ping pong football non EPL fans love to criticize.
With balance i mean the team they field. Its effective at what it does. They are set up for a defensive posture, and directly go into counters.it identifies its strenghts and plays to them.
But you need balance. You sound like taking away any credit foe them, but if thats true then why arent the other relegation teams doing the same effecrively
I'm not taking credit away from them, I was talking about style more than effectiveness. Leciester are the team of the year for me, its astonishing what they're doing with the resources they have, I'd be comfortable giving Ranieri manager of the season from today, that's how much I rate his achievement.
But you're criticizing EPL teams for their fast paced, lack of control ping pong football. You point out like many EPL critics do, that that style causes teams to concede silly goals, and it makes high scoring games possible(Wasn't the Liverpool - Norwich game what triggered this fresh bout of criticism?). I'm saying Leicester epitomize that style of football, look at how many high scoring games they were involved in. You watch them, and their style of football is sit deep and counter attack at rapid pace, it causes them to score a lot of goals but at the same time they rarely have any semblance of control over a game and they concede a bucket load of goals; their football is like a game of pinball arcade. Isn't that exactly what you're criticizing? How could you then go on and say Leciester is a balanced team?
But you're criticizing EPL teams for their fast paced, lack of control ping pong football. You point out like many EPL critics do, that that style causes teams to concede silly goals, and it makes high scoring games possible(Wasn't the Liverpool - Norwich game what triggered this fresh bout of criticism?). I'm saying Leicester epitomize that style of football, look at how many high scoring games they were involved in. You watch them, and their style of football is sit deep and counter attack at rapid pace, it causes them to score a lot of goals but at the same time they rarely have any semblance of control over a game and they concede a bucket load of goals; their football is like a game of pinball arcade. Isn't that exactly what you're criticizing? How could you then go on and say Leciester is a balanced team?
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