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[JCK]

Not to mention Özil who not only is a magnificent player but also wanting to show everyone what he is capable of. That was truly a great move by Arsenal.

As to you last statement, don't let me get started Some will start throwing Prozac at me.

 

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[ALC]

As to you last statement, don't let me get started Some will start throwing Prozac at me.

 

[JuveJay]

not even that, they've been playing great. giroud is turning out to be a great player, not just striker. at first he seemed like a waste but wegner giving him constant game time allowed his confidence to grow and now he is gelling with the team like they've been playing for a really long time. same with ramsey.

which brings me to conte. he needs to learn from other coaches when it comes to player management. he fucking sucks at it and needs to stop that changing strikers every game BS.

Like Wenger had much choice anyway, as his other true CF options were Bendtner and Chamakh.

 

[JCK]

Bendtner scored twice against Buffon.

 

[ALC]

Yeah, Quagliarella/Giovinco vs Llorente are real head scratchers.

 

[JuveJay]

Yeah, Quagliarella/Giovinco vs Llorente are real head scratchers.

Obviously he doesn't know what he is doing.

 

[ALC]

Obviously he doesn't know what he is doing.

I personally think he relies too much on first impressions. He's still a young coach obviously, there's things you learn with experience.

But yeah, let's go with the "Conte can do no wrong" approach instead.

 

[Ocelot]

Like Wenger had much choice anyway, as his other true CF options were Bendtner and Chamakh.

You certainly got a point there, but he still could have played with Walcott/Podolski during the times when Giroud wasn't performing.

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Yeah, Quagliarella/Giovinco vs Llorente are real head scratchers.

Are you honestly comparing Quags to Bendtner?

 

[JuveJay]

I personally think he relies too much on first impressions. He's still a young coach obviously, there's things you learn with experience.

But yeah, let's go with the "Conte can do no wrong" approach instead.

Perhaps, but on the other hand Wenger is extremely stubborn, and it has worked against Arsenal for years. Now it's working, but there are lots of different ways to do things and sometimes they can all work. We could certainly change strikers less, but then we have quite a few (beside Tevez) who are a similar level. Tevez plays most games, after all.

Obviously that means that Conte can do no wrong. I'd say he probably has more of an idea than you do, for example. But you are entitled to your opinion and may well be right.

 

[ALC]

Are you honestly comparing Quags to Bendtner?

I honestly don't think the difference is that big. Bendtner doesn't perform that well for club but he's another level when it comes to country. This leads me to think that he's got the skill, he's just missing something else that prevents him from doing that on a regular basis. Maybe he's just not motivated enough.

Quag scores some cool goals but can't contribute to play whatsoever. He's a supersub and we keep starting him. People will bring up the amount of goals he has but he's playing as a striker for a team that creates the most chances on goal. At what point does it become a matter of probability that he will score at least some of those chances?

Perhaps, but on the other hand Wenger is extremely stubborn, and it has worked against Arsenal for years. Now it's working, but there are lots of different ways to do things and sometimes they can all work. We could certainly change strikers less, but then we have quite a few (beside Tevez) who are a similar level. Tevez plays most games, after all.

Obviously that means that Conte can do no wrong. I'd say he probably has more of an idea than you do, for example. But you are entitled to your opinion and may well be right.

Fair enough.

 

[Fred]

Ramsey has been such a revelation this season, absolutely amazing the impact he has on the team. Everyone is raving about Ozil, and rightfully so of course, he's had a huge impact in Arsenal and has not needed any time to adapt, he deserves credit for that. However so far this season, Ramsey has been Arsenal's best and most influential player. He has been such a danger in the final third, whenever he receives the ball close to goal, it just always seems like he has something up his sleeve. Also credit to Wenger, the team has been playing some very good football, as a unit they play such a compact game, it reduces the spaces for the opposition team to operate in, and has so far masked Arsenal's mediocre defense. The only thing that keeps haunting Arsenal defensively is invidual mistakes ala Mertesacker today.

Giroud has developed his game a lot too, despite the fact that he's still wasteful, but he's become quite good at holding the ball up and bringing others into play, the midfield around him know that they can give him the ball and make runs behind the defense. The only other worry I have with Arsenal other than defensive mistakes, is the lack of depth in several key areas, which could potentially expose us over the course of a season.

I'm thoroughly enjoying what has so far been quite a surprising season by Arsenal though

 

[Ocelot]

I honestly don't think the difference is that big.
Quag scores some cool goals but can't contribute to play whatsoever. He's a supersub and we keep starting him. People will bring up the amount of goals he has but he's playing as a striker for a team that creates the most chances on goal. At what point does it become a matter of probability that he will score at least some of those chances?
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Strange thing is, he often seems to be the only one capable of putting away these chances in the team. Also, I think his attacking movement is widely underrated. He does however need other creative players for his game.

Bendtner would actually do great at a small club in my opinion, he just needs to be the undisputed focal point of the team. The problem is, that even then his ability can't make up for the losses the team receives when completely relying on him, which in turn makes him unsuitable for any big club.

So, while Bendtner can be a useful player, for any club with ambition Quags is just miles more valuable.

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Ramsey has been such a revelation this season, absolutely amazing the impact he has on the team. Everyone is raving about Ozil, and rightfully so of course, he's had a huge impact in Arsenal and has not needed any time to adapt, he deserves credit for that. However so far this season, Ramsey has been Arsenal's best and most influential player. He has been such a danger in the final third, whenever he receives the ball close to goal, it just always seems like he has something up his sleeve. Also credit to Wenger, the team has been playing some very good football, as a unit they play such a compact game, it reduces the spaces for the opposition team to operate in, and has so far masked Arsenal's mediocre defense. The only thing that keeps haunting Arsenal defensively is invidual mistakes ala Mertesacker today.

Giroud has developed his game a lot too, despite the fact that he's still wasteful, but he's become quite good at holding the ball up and bringing others into play, the midfield around him know that they can give him the ball and make runs behind the defense. The only other worry I have with Arsenal other than defensive mistakes, is the lack of depth in several key areas, which could potentially expose us over the course of a season.

I'm thoroughly enjoying what has so far been quite a surprising season by Arsenal though

This. I'm really glad that after some at times tough seasons Arsenal is back to the strength it posessed a couple of years ago. Now I can only hope that they stay consistent throughout the whole year.

 

[Salvatore]

Yeah, Quagliarella/Giovinco vs Llorente are real head scratchers.

Quagliarella has been in good form, why the head scratch?

I honestly don't think the difference is that big. Bendtner doesn't perform that well for club but he's another level when it comes to country. This leads me to think that he's got the skill, he's just missing something else that prevents him from doing that on a regular basis. Maybe he's just not motivated enough.

Not a strong enough character.

 

[ALC]

Quagliarella has been in good form, why the head scratch?

because i think he needs to start llorente in order to get him acquainted with the team and also because i believe he's better than quagliarella. i mean, he got more playing time when he was frozen out by Bilbao. You can't rely on the idea that because someone scored last game, they need to start the next one. (which I assume is the case with Gio against Fiorentina)

Look at all big clubs, when they make an investment as big as Llorente (4mill/year) they tend to play him as a starter. Not subbing him out for supersubs who score. you have to have a balance. subs will score at times, that's their job. it doesn't mean you start them the next game.

but that's just my opinion.

 

[Salvatore]

because i think he needs to start llorente in order to get him acquainted with the team and also because i believe he's better than quagliarella. i mean, he got more playing time when he was frozen out by Bilbao. You can't rely on the idea that because someone scored last game, they need to start the next one. (which I assume is the case with Gio against Fiorentina)

Look at all big clubs, when they make an investment as big as Llorente (4mill/year) they tend to play him as a starter. Not subbing him out for supersubs who score. you have to have a balance. subs will score at times, that's their job. it doesn't mean you start them the next game.

but that's just my opinion.

Firstly, the size of a contract shouldn't decide a player's role.

We're going to disagree but I can't complain about his selections unless Giovinco becomes the centre forward playing with his back to goal against Fiorentina tomorrow. I'm not going to accept that Llorente's rep should give him rights over a player that has bailed Juve out of losing the opening two Champions League games, Quagliarella has taken his chances, unfortunate for Fernando eh.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

chelsea's first goal against cardiff was an absolute joke, cardiff have every right to be aggrieved.

 

[ALC]

Fernando can't take his chances because Conte never plays him. See what I mean?

You have to let go of your old toys to move on to bigger and better things.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

For which team in the PL are you guys actually rooting for? Mine's Arsenal.

Never.

 

[Trequartista]

Mourinho is going to win this league.

 

[Kasaki]

Firstly, the size of a contract shouldn't decide a player's role.

We're going to disagree but I can't complain about his selections unless Giovinco becomes the centre forward playing with his back to goal against Fiorentina tomorrow. I'm not going to accept that Llorente's rep should give him rights over a player that has bailed Juve out of losing the opening two Champions League games, Quagliarella has taken his chances, unfortunate for Fernando eh.

But the size of the contract is based of the assumed role of that player.