Endless Summer Mercato 2016 (24 Viewers)

[zizinho]

A week ago I was convinced Bayern fixed the deal. Hope nothing has changed I really want him. Hummels, Pjanic and Mr. X (OA/winger) and I m happy. Maybe a talented RB ll be added like Klostermann or my personal favourite Peres.

So not only you steal our target but now Milans also. Shame on you

 

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[Osman]

I didnt say better i said 2 years younger and has a more direct and effective playing style. But could see him become better in a few years depending on where and if Isco goes

Who would you take right now? Because you said its Berardi. Which is frankly baffling, not only because nothing suggest Berardi is yet close to likes of Isco, but the spaniard you keep saying is a flopp in Real Madrid right now, is being compared to Berardi who is currently a flop for Sassuolo this season. Defenite season of regression for him too, sadly enough.

 

[MikeM]

Isco's main skill is that he can break lines with dribbling or with combination passes. Think about the terror that goes through your veins when you see attackers running with speed at our defence because our midfield has been passed (and our CBs are some of the best you'll find).

You need players that can break through the midfield in some capacity. To force the opposing defences to move unnaturally and make tough decisions they don't want to make. That's what can unlock the most organized defences. That player might not provide the goal or the assist but he can do a lot of damage all the same.

It's the reason why on his day Cuadrado can be a difference maker. Even though his end product is generally dire, he can make the defence come into positions they don't want to be in. That is half the battle when you try to score goals.

Think of who, on our roster can do that right now in the centre of the pitch. The only player is Pogba. Morata and Dybala can do it in transition but not necessarily in possession. But they are strikers anyway.

Actually Pereyra was good at it when he was on the field last year. But nowhere near Isco.

 

[zizinho]

Honestly, its 2 years that seperates them, One still plays in Sassuolo and the other one is called a flop in a season he has 10 assists with Real because he was the golden boy of Europe and seen as one of new main stars of the younger generation. Defenitely clear gulf in expectations and stature. Not even close.

You mean not even close as in who would you pick or who is better player? I already said isco is better currently and I said why I would pick Berardi (forgot one reason, isco costs 50M+ and isnt worth that much while Berardi costs 25M).

 

[Nostradamus]

So not only you steal our target but now Milans also. Shame on you

Cesc we can

Good and funny times, but its getting more and more ridiculous there. A daily soap of them would smash all records and I wouldnt miss a single episode.

The market for creative mids really is tiny and I trust in Ancelotti, that he gave his thumbs up. He makes too much sense from Bayern side. Are we his 1st choice? No idea, but I have hope and I m optimistic.

 

[dolph]

Well he is a failure, if you think he has WC potential and if you know what he turned into

Wow I have to stop eating magic mushrooms on monday, cause that post does not make sense to me at all.

 

[Osman]

You mean not even close as in who would you pick or who is better player? I already said isco is better currently and I said why I would pick Berardi (forgot one reason, isco costs 50M+ and isnt worth that much while Berardi costs 25M).

Both, I would allways choose the better player. That makes the team better. Wont advocate to get someone solely because he is cheaper. If 40-50m is what it takes to get sheer quality that elevates your then it needs to be done. We payed 40m for Dybala from lowly Palermo uncontested because we believed in his quality. Isco is in that similar kind of bracket in much more contested market and club that will feel foolish if they sell him prolly. Whatever deal we can make him, we will be the winners in it for sure.

 

[Klin]

Berardi over Isco.

Wow

 

[zizinho]

Cesc we can

Good and funny times, but its getting more and more ridiculous there. A daily soap of them would smash all records and I wouldnt miss a single episode.

The market for creative mids really is tiny and I trust in Ancelotti, that he gave his thumbs up. He makes too much sense from Bayern side. If we r his 1st choice? No idea, but I have hope and I m optimistic.

Did Ancelotti talk in length about Bayern already? Id like to hear what he thinks about new players and current ones. For example, him wanting Pjanic makes perfect sense but for that reason alone it might be media bs. I hope Bayern bosses continue shoping in Germany though and leave Italy for us

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Wow I have to stop eating magic mushrooms on monday, cause that post does not make sense to me at all.

Must be some good stuff youre eating, considering your latest posts

 

[Nostradamus]

You mean not even close as in who would you pick or who is better player? I already said isco is better currently and I said why I would pick Berardi (forgot one reason, isco costs 50M+ and isnt worth that much while Berardi costs 25M).

I agree Juve have operated on a relatively healthy level within their budget and setting limits to themselves. 50m should indeed be the absolute max and I can understand people not wanting to pay such a sum for him. I would like Hazard at Bayern convinced he would suit us like a glove, but when I hear sums of 80m+ then I think there must be other solutions.

 

[zizinho]

Both, I would allways choose the better player. That makes the team better. Wont advocate to get someone solely because he is cheaper. If 40-50m is what it takes to get sheer quality that elevates your then it needs to be done. We payed 40m for Dybala from lowly Palermo uncontested because we believed in his quality. Isco is in that similar kind of bracket in much more contested market and club that will feel foolish if they sell him prolly. Whatever deal we can make him, we will be the winners in it for sure.

I always write 50M+ for Isco because Real dont even have to sell and he could literally be sold for anything between 50 and 80M considering their latest sales. If Pep wants him for example they could rip him off or simply decide to keep him as a reliable domestic rotation option. My point here is Berardi isnt really a Candreva or Bonaventura, hes one of italys biggest talents and Sassuolos best player for 4 seasons from Serie B to their likely 6th place finish this season (even with a weaker season now stat wise). at 25M hes a steal especially since we received 10M for him last summer. Isco was considered a big talent but didnt live up to his potential and is 24 already. He couldn't make the transition to a big club as expected and wherever he ends up next, if he even leaves, will determine how he turns out. At 50M+ i would never go for him as there are better players available at lower prices. Depending on how Berardi makes the transition to a big club i can definitely see him as the better player in few years

 

[Nostradamus]

Did Ancelotti talk in length about Bayern already? Id like to hear what he thinks about new players and current ones. For example, him wanting Pjanic makes perfect sense but for that reason alone it might be media bs. I hope Bayern bosses continue shoping in Germany though and leave Italy for us

Nope. No idea what he thinks I m just talking out of my ass and assuming and reasoning.

In Germany we have to wait with patience for the right players. Hummels contract 2017 is an opportunity, Xhaka has clause next summer would be one..or Dahoud just 1 year contract next summer. Brandt, Tah, Sane & Co. ll be watched until another opportunity arises. Lurking in the shadow rubbing their hands with disgusting grins on their faces.

 

[zizinho]

I agree Juve have operated on a relatively healthy level within their budget and setting limits to themselves. 50m should indeed be the absolute max and I can understand people not wanting to pay such a sum for him. I would like Hazard at Bayern convinced he would suit us like a glove, but when I hear sums of 80m+ then I think there must be other solutions.

Club nowadays spend 50M on any random 17 year old that can do a few tricks with the ball. Clubs like Bayern and Juve deal in a different way and they also keep their identity by signing domestic talent which is what makes us special among the big clubs. Would never like to see Juve do 80M transfers even if we could

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Nope. No idea what he thinks I m just talking out of my ass and assuming and reasoning.

In Germany we have to wait with patience for the right players. Hummels contract 2017 is an opportunity, Xhaka has clause next summer would be one..or Dahoud just 1 year contract next summer. Brandt, Tah, Sane & Co. ll be watched until another opportunity arises. Lurking in the shadow rubbing their hands with disgusting grins on their faces.

Thats the spirit. Italy is crap, there is nothing to buy here really

 

[Hydde]

Isco's main skill is that he can break lines with dribbling or with combination passes. Think about the terror that goes through your veins when you see attackers running with speed at our defence because our midfield has been passed (and our CBs are some of the best you'll find).

You need players that can break through the midfield in some capacity. To force the opposing defences to move unnaturally and make tough decisions they don't want to make. That's what can unlock the most organized defences. That player might not provide the goal or the assist but he can do a lot of damage all the same.

It's the reason why on his day Cuadrado can be a difference maker. Even though his end product is generally dire, he can make the defence come into positions they don't want to be in. That is half the battle when you try to score goals.

Think of who, on our roster can do that right now in the centre of the pitch. The only player is Pogba. Morata and Dybala can do it in transition but not necessarily in possession. But they are strikers anyway.

Actually Pereyra was good at it when he was on the field last year. But nowhere near Isco.

People here go in circles and too defenite of their opinions like they are afraid to be seen as wrong. Lets just say what do you see when you see Isco play? Kind of player?

For me Isco is a faciliator type of playmaker instead of the direct decisive final play kind. Kind of playing style and role thats died out in a wing/psuedo forwards/inside forward obssessed football. Besides his flaw of overdribbling, in overall his playing style is close to a true nr 10 Iniesta or Zizou who both wouldnt allways make the direct assist (someone like James is alot more direct) everytime but open things up with ingenuity and skill in the build up just before decisive final third, things you dont see in stats (for example look at what he did in Malaga, you had to watch them/him, because his few assists or goals wouldnt tell you how insanely influential he was at 19). Just like its already illustrated you dont go by goals/assist stats to phantom the greatness of someone like Modric. They are players who need to move with lots of freedom, the kind thats not given much anymore since so few play with 4-3-1-2 in the hole approach anymore in current game (funnily enough we are only top team who would if we go back to that Allegri favoured approach).

Teams arent willing to put the entire burden of creativity and attacking impetus on a single player, rise and fall on a nr 10s moods or consistency (I get it, because it used to annoy me to watch how inept we looked at times when Zizou was completely off, became better team with Nedved and Camo sharing burden). So these players have been pushed wide or downwards, hence why he becomes CM for Real (Zizou would prolly become LW or CM in current systems). And a young Iniesta spent half a decade in Barca being wasted on the wing before he got the comfortable role thats molded to his skillset later on and he became world class. Not sure if you guys remember a young Iniesta vividly, but he was very inconsistent or very weirdly used off the bench in attack, best example of how patience pays off big time...Something organisations like Real never have (this is why we have Morata in our books), and hence you will most likely see him flourish outside then with them after their usual rehash everything with new toys habit kicks in.

Just to make it perfectly clear. I'm talking playing style and not comparing his abilities to them even though he has great qualities, but lets not forget this guy is still 23-24. ALOT of room to grow with time and trust/proper role. And alot of chances to make some here eat humble pie. Its not about world class this or that, its just weird idea to see someone like Isco play and not see the insanely obvious sheer quality he has to his game. And how much better it can be when its fully developed.

 

[am0110]

#Juventus, #Marotta: "Non abbiamo mai trattato #Pjanic. #Morata? Resta al 50%"
Di Marzio

Sooo..Saponara ...

 

[Emmet]

No Isco, more or less no Pjanic (but then again if we activate his buy out we don't need to deal with Roma).

Jesus, Beppe killing us over there

 

[zizinho]

No Isco was expected and not worth crying over anyway but no Pjanic

Hope Beppe is bluffing

 

[italiacalcio10]

Surprised he wasn't asked about James...

 

[.zero]

Beppe confirms that we won't be getting Isco

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[lgorTudor]

50% goodbye cruel world :depressed