Endless Summer Mercato 2016 (44 Viewers)

[Juvellino]

We are so getting Saponara

 

Buy on AliExpress.com

[Zacheryah]

What does everyone think about opening a separate thread called "Build/Predict Your Juve" where we can post all the transfers, squad, starting lineup we want to see or make predictions as to what they'll be.

That way, this thread will be just about discussing rumors. And we can rakib in the other one.

That will slow the traffic in here a bit, and we'll have two separate threads for what really are two separate topics.

@Mark or whoever this subforum's FM is

Look @Mark i'm not the only one asking, its 2-1 now

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EXCLUSIVE: Chelsea's £20m Done Deal with Juventus for star midfielder

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/fo...-Done-Deal-Chelsea-20m-Juventus-Nemanja-Matic


I hope this is bs !

Its the daily star, which is worse then bs

 

[rakib567]

Are you really suggesting that these two should be in our squad next season?

why not?

pol garcia has been good in serie B this season and they both count as home grown so we can have them as our 3rd option GK and 5th option defender.

 

[Mark]

ANNOUNCEMENT​

only rumours in here.

for formation and squad fantasies, post here...http://www.juventuz.com/threads/42426-Build-Predict-Your-Juve

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

ANNOUNCEMENT​

only rumours in here.

for formation and squad fantasies, post here...http://www.juventuz.com/threads/42426-Build-Predict-Your-Juve

Thank you, Mark

 

[JuveID]

So for the last 12 month period, we generated approx. 112.3M in EBITDA (earnings before interest, D&A, taxes, etc). That is up from 85 million last year, or 32%. Our Net Debt to EBITDA ratio was 2.26x, it is now 1.79x. That gives us almost 50M in borrowing potential to keep a flat ratio. There is some capacity to increase debt. You just want to keep it manageable, and frankly 2.26x is a fairly low ratio. Some companies are as high as 8x, but these are much more risky companies.

On a Free Cash Flow basis (Operating Profit less investment), we're generating ~103.5 EUR million in Operating profit after interest. In the next year, there will be ~33.8 million that will need to be collected from teams, while we'll need to pay out 72 million. The personal cost as a % of revenue has dropped 3%, and now is lower than 50% (~49%), which is Real Madrid's model.

At this point, a basic cash number has us generating ~65 million in cash. An expenditure for a player is usually spread over a period, so with 65 million in cash and ~50 million in extra debt capacity, there is certainly enough funds to make a large purchase and many support purchases. Juventus generated ~396 million in revenues from December 2015, which is almost 2x the amount that we generated in 2011/2012 (204 million)

Financially, the team isn't not competitive. We have the balance sheet capacity, and earnings power to make a real splash in the transfer market.

I figured instead of making declarations, it would be more convincing if I backed it up.

In fact, the team only generates ~80 million less than Bayern, and we're not paying Pep (~20 million pounds)

We have 65 millions and 50 millions in extra debt capacity.
And you are right that expenditure of player is usually spread over period.
But 65 + 50 milions is not only for expenditure of player in upcoming transfer window, juventus also have to pay previous transfer years ( which is spread over period as well ) from 65 + 50 millions.

and, i think, we can not use all of 65 + 50 millions this season.
Especially the debt one.
If we miss europe next season, it will creat chaos.

 

[italiacalcio10]

We have 65 millions and 50 millions in extra debt capacity.
And you are right that expenditure of player is usually spread over period.
But 65 + 50 milions is not only for expenditure of player in upcoming transfer window, juventus also have to pay previous transfer years ( which is spread over period as well ) from 65 + 50 millions.

and, i think, we can not use all of 65 + 50 millions this season.
Especially the debt one.
If we miss europe next season, it will creat chaos.

I counted the previous transfer expenditures in my cash figures - its "working capital". There are current (next 12 month) player liabilities of 72 and receivables of 33.8. I netted that in my 65 million cash figure.

and if we miss Europe, we'll probably have 100 million in cash coming in because a Juve outside Europe probably loses Pogba.

 

[Hust]

If Palermo get relegated I see us going for Vazquez.


Zamp will be fuming when he has to accept a cut-rate fee for him

 

[italiacalcio10]

If Palermo get relegated I see us going for Vazquez.


Zamp will be fuming when he has to accept a cut-rate fee for him

He misses Dybala so much.

Both Vasquez & Zamp haha

 

[Hust]

The meltdown here if we signed him.



Gaaaawwwwdddddd

 

[italiacalcio10]

The meltdown here if we signed him.



Gaaaawwwwdddddd

I'd be ok with him as a back up. But would probably prefer Saponara.

 

[Hust]

I'd be ok with him as a back up. But would probably prefer Saponara.

Man

 

[JuveID]

I counted the previous transfer expenditures in my cash figures - its "working capital". There are current (next 12 month) player liabilities of 72 and receivables of 33.8. I netted that in my 65 million cash figure.

and if we miss Europe, we'll probably have 100 million in cash coming in because a Juve outside Europe probably loses Pogba.

You need to share us the detail bro.
Because as said by indianregista on twitter, this seaseon we have to pay around 43 million for previous transfer years.. Not included new signing.

And about pogba money, we are not sure how the buyer will pay it. Since it's 100 millions, i doubt the buyer will pay it immidiately.

 

[italiacalcio10]

You need to share us the detail bro.
Because as said by indianregista on twitter, this seaseon we have to pay around 43 million for previous transfer years.. Not included new signing.

And about pogba money, we are not sure how the buyer will pay it. Since it's 100 millions, i doubt the buyer will pay it immidiately.

It's in the financial statements. If you go to Juventus' financial statements (December Statements), you can see that there are payment from other teams listed under receivables, and payments to be paid underpayables. They both have a separate account, which is further split into current and non-current. The current assets & liabilities related to player payments and fees received are due in less than a year, and therefore will reverse within the year. Since there is ~70 million in current players transfer liabilities (70 million that will be paid to teams in the next year) and ~40 in receivables (40 million that will be paid to us in the next year), therefore, the net cash going out from previous transfers is around 30 million.

I took that 30 million (which is working capital) out of EBITDA along with interest expense, and taxes to arrive at an approximate cash flow figure. It's about 65 million. That is your cash from operations. The remainder is your approximate cash that can be spent freely...

I left the exact numbers on a spreadsheet at work, but can post the exact figures at some point tomorrow.

 

[duranfj]

It's in the financial statements. If you go to Juventus' financial statements (December Statements), you can see that there are payment from other teams listed under receivables, and payments to be paid underpayables. They both have a separate account, which is further split into current and non-current. The current assets & liabilities related to player payments and fees received are due in less than a year, and therefore will reverse within the year. Since there is ~70 million in current players transfer liabilities (70 million that will be paid to teams in the next year) and ~40 in receivables (40 million that will be paid to us in the next year), therefore, the net cash going out from previous transfers is around 30 million.

I took that 30 million (which is working capital) out of EBITDA along with interest expense, and taxes to arrive at an approximate cash flow figure. It's about 65 million. That is your cash from operations. The remainder is your approximate cash that can be spent freely...

I left the exact numbers on a spreadsheet at work, but can post the exact figures at some point tomorrow.

Extremely clear my mate

 

[Mark]

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/fo...-Done-Deal-Chelsea-20m-Juventus-Nemanja-Matic



che?

 

[italiacalcio10]

Extremely clear my mate

Haha apologize.

The key point is that on the financial statements, there are accounts that show that Juventus should BE PAID ~40 million by other teams within the next 12 months, and that Juventus should PAY ~70 million to other teams in the next 12 months. The 70-40 = 30, is how much cash will go out the door in the next 12 months from previous transactions.

That 30 million should be then subtracted from the annual cash flow number, which yields about 65 million in annual free cash.

More clear?

 

[Fr3sh]

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/fo...-Done-Deal-Chelsea-20m-Juventus-Nemanja-Matic



che?

 

[s4tch]

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/fo...-Done-Deal-Chelsea-20m-Juventus-Nemanja-Matic



che?

they report that, too:
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...ea-star-Conte-prepares-overhaul-Transfer-News

it's happppennning, babyyyy

btw last year, he was solid as hell. he might explode under allegri.

 

[Kopanja]

Why do we need someone like Matic here, where he would play in 352 or 4312?