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[Xperd]

The thing why i say this is because Berardi is coming from a club where he's been playing regularly for 3-4 seasons now.So i'd assume he'd want a step up where he can continue his development.

Morata barely played for Madrid before we signed him.And Dybala was expected to be a starter anyway.Not quite the same imo.
I really dont know how he'd fit here other than being a Dybala sub unless we change formation to 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1.

 

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[DAiDEViL]

he did just fine for Sass as RS in a 352.

 

[il brutto]

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@il brutto

Biglia

Diawara knows his stuff.

 

[Xperd]

he did just fine for Sass as RS in a 352.

Right but would he play ahead of Dybala ? No

Would he play in a 4-3-1-2 ahead of Dybala/New AM ? No

His best shot here is nothing more than being a useful sub.And we arent going to change formation just to accommodate him.

 

[zizinho]

Dybala played with Vazquez upfront in Palermo, don't see why he couldnt with Berardi. Injuries, suspensions, rotations, 2-3 different formations. all that will allow Berardi to play. Expecting around 20-25 starts in all competitions and around 35-40 total games played next season

 

[Xperd]

And who's going to play with his back to goal ? Berardi ? lol

 

[il brutto]

Right but would he play ahead of Dybala ? No

Would he play in a 4-3-1-2 ahead of Dybala/New AM ? No

His best shot here is nothing more than being a useful sub.And we arent going to change formation just to accommodate him.

If Berardi wants to go forward in his career he needs to take that step at some point even if it means that he's a bench player at first. Rugani took that step and didn't get much playing time at first but injuries gave him the chance and he took it Berardi needs to do the same. Even if he slightly fails here and wants to move somewhere else we shouldn't lose too much money on him.

 

[zizinho]

And who's going to play with his back to goal ? Berardi ? lol

who played with his back to the goal when Roma trashed Fiorentina 4-1 this season. or the other numerous times they trashed opponents since Spalletti took over? you dont need to have such player

 

[Xperd]

who played with his back to the goal when Roma trashed Fiorentina 4-1 this season. or the other numerous times they trashed opponents since Spalletti took over? you dont need to have such player

You are assuming Berardi-Dybala can play together in our 3-5-2.I say its not going to happen without someone who can holdup the ball like our CF's for example and you are also negating aerial presence in the process because it becomes so important in the presence of wingbacks who like to bomb forward.
We play differently to Roma or Allegri set his team up differently.Simple.

 

[zizinho]

You are assuming Berardi-Dybala can play together in our 3-5-2.I say its not going to happen without someone who can holdup the ball like our CF's for example and you are also negating aerial presence in the process because it becomes so important in the presence of wingbacks who like to bomb forward.
We play differently to Roma or Allegri set his team up differently.Simple.

Allegri sets his team differently because he has different players. but you cant assume Berardi-Dybala wont work because of that, and you also cant assume they will necessarily play together in a 3-5-2. my point was you dont need a player like that in attack to win games, if you can make your team work differently. im also not saying we should make that our starting frontline but we can do it if we want to when needed

 

[edgardavids2608]

Very true. Morata worked really well with Tevez but not as much under Dybala who was similar in relation. Its not as simple as playing styles should match. Also the midfield behind them and your team tactics play a huge roll

 

[Xperd]

Allegri sets his team differently because he has different players. but you cant assume Berardi-Dybala wont work because of that, and you also cant assume they will necessarily play together in a 3-5-2. my point was you dont need a player like that in attack to win games, if you can make your team work differently. im also not saying we should make that our starting frontline but we can do it if we want to when needed

Normally Berardi occupies RW or right side of 3-5-2 and Dybala is a pure central player.

So unless Dybala plays Treq(which wont happen) in a 4-3-1-2 both wont co-exist.3-5-2 is out of question.

These are two formations Allegri is expected to use next season.

In a 4-3-3,there's a good shout for both Berardi and Dybala to co-exist but that'd mean zero aerial presence again and i'm not sure Allegri would fancy that.

His best shout his deputizing Dybala out of all options.Lets see if he accepts that 'role'.

Its upto the management in the end to fit them both and they know more but i dont know how they would co-exist with both being lefties.Thats all.

 

[Salvatore]

Maybe if a Brazilian player by the age of 21 had scored 38 goals and got 22 assists in Serie A this place would be going into a meltdown.

 

[Xperd]

Maybe if a Brazilian player by the age of 21 had scored 38 goals and got 22 assists in Serie A this place would be going into a meltdown.

Brazilians are naturally more gifted i agree

 

[zizinho]

Normally Berardi occupies RW or right side of 3-5-2 and Dybala is a pure central player.

So unless Dybala plays Treq(which wont happen) in a 4-3-1-2 both wont co-exist.3-5-2 is out of question.

These are two formations Allegri is expected to use next season.

In a 4-3-3,there's a good shout for both Berardi and Dybala to co-exist but that'd mean zero aerial presence again and i'm not sure Allegri would fancy that.

His best shout his deputizing Dybala out of all options.Lets see if he accepts that 'role'.

Its upto the management in the end to fit them both and they know more but i dont know how they would co-exist with both being lefties.Thats all.

@DAiDEViL

Berardi has played as a striker before and this season had a few games as a left winger even. Neither him or Dybala are strictly tied to the right side of the pitch. Dybala is someone that keeps the ball a lot, Berardi on the other hand can play as a off the ball striker that won't ask for the ball but move without it, run into space and pass the ball without much complication when receiving it. They definitely can coexist, even in a 3-5-2 if used correctly, and I don't see a reason why Allegri wont play both in a scenario where Mandzukic is injured and he wants Zaza to come of the bench (assuming Morata leaves). I hope we play 4-3-3 more though so both Berardi and Jesus if we get them could get more chances to play

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Maybe if a Brazilian player by the age of 21 had scored 38 goals and got 22 assists in Serie A this place would be going into a meltdown.

Anderson last season is the perfect example

 

[MikeM]

His stats are really deceptive.Its been inflated by his penos and his hattricks against a couple of teams.He's not as consistent as people think he is imo.

His stats are there for all to see. Anyone with a brain can look at them and understand what is going on.

For instance, if you take Berardi's 3 penalties this year and give them to Sansone then you have Sansone on 10 goals and Berardi with 4.

There is some fascination on this board with making Berardi into some lethal inside forward hybrid like Muller or something when he's just not. This end product argument is a bit of a fairy tale. For example, apparently Berardi is a no-brainer over Felipe Anderson because of end product but if you take away penalties, Anderson actually has a good deal more goals than Berardi in the last 2 years all while playing on the wing and being a "flop".

Berardi is a fine young player. Worthy of some investment. He's not a slam dunk like Dybala though. As it pertains to Juventus, I'm not sure he is worth bending over backwards to accommodate when Dybala has his position filled for the next 10 years.

 

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[dolph]

Dolph, I understand critique, but why do you think we and most of italian top clubs would kill for the chance to get Berardi, and no one talks about Sansone? They failed to see something you and few others havent?

There is only one Italian top club at the moment, and if you believe the latest rumors, that top club doubts if they are going to take up the buy option set on 25 mio. Sansone is not as hyped as Berardi but when ever I have seen them play he looks like the better player. He has a better touch, better in one on one situations, better acceleration. I dont think that Sansone is going to become a top level player but he could be a nice sub for Dybala. Sansone has some of the same caracteristics as Dybala, obviusly nowwhere as good. Berardi could be a usefull sub aswell, but I doubt he would be interested in that role, and for 25 mio I would rather allocate those funds for a top level AM/CM who could actually improve this team and buy a back up SS like Ljacic or Sansone for a lower price, who could be just as usefull as Berardi.

 

[Xperd]

His stats are there for all to see. Anyone with a brain can look at them and understand what is going on.

For instance, if you take Berardi's 3 penalties this year and give them to Sansone then you have Sansone on 10 goals and Berardi with 4.

There is some fascination on this board with making Berardi into some lethal inside forward hybrid like Muller or something when he's just not. This end product argument is a bit of a fairy tale. For example, apparently Berardi is a no-brainer over Felipe Anderson because of end product but if you take away penalties, Anderson actually has a good deal more goals than Berardi in the last 2 years all while playing on the wing and being a "flop".

Berardi is a fine young player. Worthy of some investment. He's not a slam dunk like Dybala though. As it pertains to Juventus, I'm not sure he is worth bending over backwards to accommodate when Dybala has his position filled for the next 10 years.

There is only one Italian top club at the moment, and if you believe the latest rumors, that top club doubts if they are going to take up the buy option set on 25 mio. Sansone is not as hyped as Berardi but when ever I have seen them play he looks like the better player. He has a better touch, better in one on one situations, better acceleration. I dont think that Sansone is going to become a top level player but he could be a nice sub for Dybala. Sansone has some of the same caracteristics as Dybala, obviusly nowwhere as good. Berardi could be a usefull sub aswell, but I doubt he would be interested in that role, and for 25 mio I would rather allocate those funds for a top level AM/CM who could actually improve this team and buy a back up SS like Ljacic or Sansone for a lower price, who could be just as usefull as Berardi.

 

[dolph]

Well, i wasn't the only one, and I was right which is whats important

I find it that you are almost always wrong, so that Zaza assesment is something to hold on to.