Divine-Likeness (1 Viewer)

[Hist]

Upon investigating the question of whether God exists, Theists assert his existence, while athiests deny it and agnostics claim not to know the truth.
The problem we are about to discuss is addressed at the theists, namely Muslims and Christians.

Theists assert that knowledge of God is impossible, as the human mind is limited to the natural world, while God is super-natural and so all human beings cannot have any knowledge of God except through the revealed holy scriptures of the Quran and the compilations of the holy bible to Muslims and Christians respectively.
Moreover, Theists of each faith believe that the supposedly divinely inspired texts reflect the reality of the divine being, even though it is impossible to test and see if this hypothesis is true or false, as mentioned earlier, because God is transcendent, super natural and unthinkable.
And so this makes us inquire into the question:
Why choose Christianity and not Islam?(if you are a christian)
Why Choose Islam and not Christianity? (If you are a Muslim)

To make it clearer, why trust the bible to be reflective of the divine reality and not trust the Quran. Why not the opposite if you were a Muslim?
Why do you even trust any book that claims to have access to divine dogma over the other books even though you have no method to distinguish between false and true dogma.
What makes (other than habit) the Quran and Bible Divine-like books while the books of the early Greeks merely myths. What makes you hold the stories of David and Goliath to be true and the story of Hercules to be false?

and so our discourse here aims at defining a formula (criteria) by which one can distinguish divine-like books (and stories) From none-divine-like books (myths).

NB:This definition must be objectively applicable and evident as correct in all cases. Also, God's existence is already assumed however how he is like is not as it is the problem.

 

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[swag]

I think I understand your signature now.

 

[Stephan]

I think I understand your signature now.

 

[Hist]

lmao, now theists... give me solutions!

 

[The Curr]

I think I understand your signature now.

 

[Hist]

OK let me get you started. The divine-like books seem to have forecast some information about the future accurately. For example (my back ground is Islamic so some one else handle the christian parallels in the bible)Prophet Muhammad described how an embryo is formed into the females' womb step by step.
How can he predict something like this when he is merely an illiterate nomad who knows nothing of science.
In other words, Muslims tend to have pride in how the Quran is accurate in some scientific manners. I assume christian used to do the same.

now someone counter argue this proposition

 

[Eddy]

A scientist from the future came back and told him ?

 

[Zé Tahir]

I think I understand your signature now.

OK let me get you started. The divine-like books seem to have forecast some information about the future accurately. For example (my back ground is Islamic so some one else handle the christian parallels in the bible)Prophet Muhammad described how an embryo is formed into the females' womb step by step.
How can he predict something like this when he is merely an illiterate nomad who knows nothing of science.
In other words, Muslims tend to have pride in how the Quran is accurate in some scientific manners. I assume christian used to do the same.

now someone counter argue this proposition

You sure about that?

 

[rounder]

All religions can be right. If you want me to explain how, I will gladly but you will have to be patient with me.

 

[rounder]

I was joking by the way. Just to be clear, I have nothing against any other religion, but here is the Christian viewpoint.

 

[rounder]

OK let me get you started. The divine-like books seem to have forecast some information about the future accurately. For example (my back ground is Islamic so some one else handle the christian parallels in the bible)Prophet Muhammad described how an embryo is formed into the females' womb step by step.
How can he predict something like this when he is merely an illiterate nomad who knows nothing of science.
In other words, Muslims tend to have pride in how the Quran is accurate in some scientific manners. I assume christian used to do the same.

now someone counter argue this proposition

Let us first be clear and never make the fatal mistake of using pratical books such as the Holy Bible for speculative inquiries.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

I think I understand your signature now.

i've missed you

 

[DelpieroForLife]

Upon investigating the question of whether God exists, Theists assert his existence, while athiests deny it and agnostics claim not to know the truth.
The problem we are about to discuss is addressed at the theists, namely Muslims and Christians.

Theists assert that knowledge of God is impossible, as the human mind is limited to the natural world, while God is super-natural and so all human beings cannot have any knowledge of God except through the revealed holy scriptures of the Quran and the compilations of the holy bible to Muslims and Christians respectively.
Moreover, Theists of each faith believe that the supposedly divinely inspired texts reflect the reality of the divine being, even though it is impossible to test and see if this hypothesis is true or false, as mentioned earlier, because God is transcendent, super natural and unthinkable.
And so this makes us inquire into the question:
Why choose Christianity and not Islam?(if you are a christian)
Why Choose Islam and not Christianity? (If you are a Muslim)

To make it clearer, why trust the bible to be reflective of the divine reality and not trust the Quran. Why not the opposite if you were a Muslim?
Why do you even trust any book that claims to have access to divine dogma over the other books even though you have no method to distinguish between false and true dogma.
What makes (other than habit) the Quran and Bible Divine-like books while the books of the early Greeks merely myths. What makes you hold the stories of David and Goliath to be true and the story of Hercules to be false?

and so our discourse here aims at defining a formula (criteria) by which one can distinguish divine-like books (and stories) From none-divine-like books (myths).

NB:This definition must be objectively applicable and evident as correct in all cases. Also, God's existence is already assumed however how he is like is not as it is the problem.

How can illiterate Mohammed invent a false Divine book while he can't read or write?

 

[Hist]

Yes, this too is another good question. How can a man like this do all what he'd done?

 

[Eddy]

Maybe the Arabs already knew about it ? Or the Persians or whoever. Something that isn't written in any history book for all these centuries ?

 

[Seven]

How can illiterate Mohammed invent a false Divine book while he can't read or write?

By doing exactly what he did .

 

[DelpieroForLife]

By doing exactly what he did .

What did he do exactly?

 

[Hist]

Okay so here we have our first two criteria:
1) The carrier of the messages' character.(jesus, mohammed etc.)
2) The content of the divine like books in terms of accurateness of the natural world descriptions.

Nice?
The goal here is for theists to give me these criteria because i cant help but add my ideas to it.. and i already did this before in a way.

 

[Eddy]

What are you looking to get out of it though ?

 

[Hist]

well its a demonstration of the problem and an attempt to solve it or at least know the extent we can go to.
I am trying to put it in an objective form as much as i can... that way both theists and athiests would agree to what we establish step by step on firm grounds.