Diego Perotti - LW - Sevilla (5 Viewers)

[-=DJANGO=-]

Back up or not, we need quality man. Enough with these sorts of players. A guy like this adds nothing and we are seriously better off keeping Pasquato as the back up.

No we should give him time to adjust. It is hard to step on the level of Martinez and replace him outright. We should keep both for the next let's say 2 seasons and then judge the whole situation with our left wing. I think we were too hasty with our judgement of Motta as well and we shouldn't have bought Lichtsteiner either. It bears heavy wearing the shirt of a team that hasn't been competitive in half a decade for the last 50 years... Especially if these five years were the last five years. But there are players that can't adjust to that either and are taking their jobs not seriously. Buffon for instance, Chiellini could be next...
And can we blame them? I don't think so. I wouldn't be very motivated if they make me take the exams for 5th grade again, regardless whether I'll get A or F.

 

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[Zlatan]

No we should give him time to adjust. It is hard to step on the level of Martinez and replace him outright. We should keep both for the next let's say 2 seasons and then judge the whole situation with our left wing. I think we were too hasty with our judgement of Motta as well and we shouldn't have bought Lichtsteiner either. It bears heavy wearing the shirt of a team that hasn't been competitive in half a decade for the last 50 years... Especially if these five years were the last five years. But there are players that can't adjust to that either and are taking their jobs not seriously. Buffon for instance, Chiellini could be next...
And can we blame them? I don't think so. I wouldn't be very motivated if they make me take the exams for 5th grade again, regardless whether I'll get A or F.

 

[Salvo]

Well arguably Giach is a better backup than Pasquato.

 

[-=DJANGO=-]

PP: check bozi's post above

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Well arguably Giach is a better backup than Pasquato.

I'd rather we keep Martinez then buy Giaccherini.

 

[JuveJay]

I agree with not dumping everyone on the scrapheap but Motta is probably too far. I haven't seen anything to suggest he is close to being good enough to play for Juve, let alone start. Whereas Lichtsteiner up until this point has shown himself to be one of the better right backs around.

 

[JuveJay]

I'd rather we keep Martinez then buy Giaccherini.

The problem with Martinez is his transfer fee, we can't just throw him away for anybody. He just looks so bad I can't see how he can be useful

As for Giaccherini I'm in agreement with the 'rather keep Pasquato' group.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

The problem with Martinez is his transfer fee, we can't just throw him away for anybody. He just looks so bad I can't see how he can be useful

As for Giaccherini I'm in agreement with the 'rather keep Pasquato' group.

. This is the one transfer that will always haunt Marotta no matter what. I cant believe we spunked 12million euros on that guy. Daylight robbery.

 

[Zacheryah]

. This is the one transfer that will always haunt Marotta no matter what. I cant believe we spunked 12million euros on that guy. Daylight robbery.

allmost as bad as moggi with o'neal

 

[PhRoZeN]

allmost as bad as moggi with o'neal

Though If I can recall, Oneill was a free?

 

[JUVEMAN1211]

I will be happy with this guy if he comes to juve

 

[JuveJay]

Though If I can recall, Oneill was a free?

Definitely not, I seem to have a figure of £6m in my head for some reason. Just checked, it was 20 billion lire, which is about €10m. That is about £6m then I think, so not exactly cheap 11 years ago.

 

[PhRoZeN]

Definitely not, I seem to have a figure of £6m in my head for some reason. Just checked, it was 20 billion lire, which is about €10m. That is about £6m then I think, so not exactly cheap 11 years ago.

Ah ok thanks, well transfers like them went unnoticed because the strength of our squad and how good we were at the time. Of course Marotta was in no position to take risks. That said both players did well for their respective clubs before coming here.

 

[Orgut]

There is no comparison here
Moggi made 10 great transfers and 1 bad one
Marotta made 10 bad transfers and 1 good one

 

[JuveJay]

TBH €12m was close to the going rate for an established attacking player in a prime age off the back of a good season, at least for Juve or another big club. The problem is identifying the right players from these, those who suit, looking at their injury record and fitness, and the character of the player. Martinez might have seemed an ok signing at the beginning but he hasn't exactly ticked many boxes so far. Seems like a poorly thought out move.

 

[JuveJay]

There is no comparison here
Moggi made 10 great transfers and 1 bad one
Marotta made 10 bad transfers and 1 good one

A quick look at this from 2001.

2001-02
Gianluigi Buffon
Lilian Thuram
Pavel Nedved
Cristian Zenoni
Marcelo Salas

2002-03
Salvatore Fresi
Davide Baiocco
Mauro Camoranesi
Marco Di Vaio
Ruben Olivera
Manuele Blasi

2003-04
Fabrizio Miccoli
Stephen Appiah
Nicola Legrottaglie

2004-05
Emerson
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Fabio Cannavaro
Olivier Kapo
Adrian Mutu

2005-06
Giorgio Chiellini
Patrick Vieira
Robert Kovac
Federico Balzaretti
Domenico Criscito
Giuliano Giannichedda
Gladstone
Christian Abbiati

Those in green you can pretty much say for sure were very good or good, those in red failures, the rest up to opinion.

For Marotta, judging from one torrid season and could change with a good year, but as it stands:

Marco Storari
Marco Motta
Andrea Barzagli
Armand Traore
Leandro Rinaudo
Leonardo Bonucci
Frederik Sorensen
Alberto Aquilani
Simone Pepe
Milos Krasic
Fabio Quagliarella
Luca Toni
Alessandro Matri
Jorge Martinez

Then this season to come.

Very different challenges for both directors, it has to be said. Moggi certainly added less in terms of numbers, whether it was a case that he chose to do that or didn't need to do that. I think the latter. He was in a position over several years where he could buy in a bit more quality each year (or choose not to), and then exchange the peripheral players.

 

[PhRoZeN]

His signings that were good made a bigger impact that the shit ones. The fact that Marotta's good signings have hardly made any significant impact at all says it. We really shouldnt be comparing this but if we look at honours then its fair to say Moggi did his job at all his clubs (deducting his very brief stint at the rome clubs). Marotta? Apart from one season wonder at Sampdoria and an applaudable cassano/pazzini signing, a poor first season with us, it remains to be seen. I would give him atleast another two seasons here before we can even start comparing him with Moggi, even though it would simply be wrong for many reasons.

During his Napoli administration, he won the following trophies:

1 Scudetto
1 UEFA Cup
1 Italian Supercup
During his Torino administration, he won the following trophies:

1 Mitropa Cup
1 Italian Cup

I wont bring in his time at Juventus as we all know how well Moggi the cheat did here.

 

[Boksic]

Salas was unlucky, he started really well before his injury.

 

[Hust]

Lol "moggi the cheat"

 

[JuveJay]

His signings that were good made a bigger impact that the shit ones. The fact that Marotta's good signings have hardly made any significant impact at all says it. We really shouldnt be comparing this but if we look at honours then its fair to say Moggi did his job at all his clubs (deducting his very brief stint at the rome clubs). Marotta? Apart from one season wonder at Sampdoria and an applaudable cassano/pazzini signing, a poor first season with us, it remains to be seen. I would give him atleast another two seasons here before we can even start comparing him with Moggi, even though it would simply be wrong for many reasons.

During his Napoli administration, he won the following trophies:

1 Scudetto
1 UEFA Cup
1 Italian Supercup
During his Torino administration, he won the following trophies:

1 Mitropa Cup
1 Italian Cup

I wont bring in his time at Juventus as we all know how well Moggi the cheat did here.

Obviously I wasn't comparing them as a whole as that is both ridiculous and imbalanced, I was replying to the throwaway comment previous, mostly out of interest.

In a hypothetical situation I think Marotta would fail if you dropped him into Moggi's shoes, say in 2001. A quality team that could trade and buy quality. Juventus ran a tight budget under Moggi, and they do again under Marotta even though he is mocked for dealing 'on our terms'. The difference is that Moggi could often pull massively favourable economic deals out of his ass whereas Marotta looks like he would struggle at complex deals and go with a mean value. In contrast anybody could do Secco's job, financially he had no idea but that mentality came in part because we had to sign a team on return to Serie A.