"Di Canio banned for second salute" (8 Viewers)

Akerman

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Oct 20, 2005
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#41
Vinman said:
I'm no expert on Italian politics, so could someone who knows more about the subject please explains his views ??

I kinda find it hard to accept the fact that Paolo is a racist, because he has guys like Dabo and Liverani on his team...and has also played with other non-white players at West Ham, Charlton, etc...

as far as I know, he has been a leader at all of his past teams
I think he's smart enough to accept deals with clubs so he can provide his family with money than not accepting and putting his family in a poor situation.
 

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#42
Akerman said:
Is there really a good reason for this discussion to keep on? I would rather see demonstrations against the taunting of Zoro than the demonstrations against him. How many people would disagree with me? 1 out of 1000? Probably even less.
I don't think you can treat either too lightly. They're both wrong, and we shouldn't have to force rank them in their "wrongness".
 

Respaul

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Jul 14, 2002
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#43
Vinman said:
I'm no expert on Italian politics, so could someone who knows more about the subject please explains his views ??

I kinda find it hard to accept the fact that Paolo is a racist, because he has guys like Dabo and Liverani on his team...and has also played with other non-white players at West Ham, Charlton, etc...

as far as I know, he has been a leader at all of his past teams
Fascist - Racist... not the same thing Vin...
 

Akerman

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#44
swag said:
I don't think you can treat either too lightly. They're both wrong, and we shouldn't have to force rank them in their "wrongness".
Yes ofcourse the demonstrations against foul behavior from Inter-fans is wrong. Yeah I'm being ironic too.
I'm not saying it's ok to demonstrate at a football match, I'm talking about outside the pitch, in the streets. Fans should get together and demonstrate against it.
 

Holygr4le

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Aug 4, 2005
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#48
Shadowfax said:
It depends what your watching, whilst production of football coverage on the financially strapped RAI and Mediaset platforms is poor... The coverage of feature matches on Sky Italia is very good indeed... with its forefather Telepui being in its time the bench mark for football coverage across the globe until Sky Uk raised the bar beyond any other networks financial possibilities and as such capabilities...

The only darkness in Sky italia's feature coverage is beyond their control in that of badly designed stadiums from a media viewpoint...
But I´m talking about the quality of the picture and cameramen. I have their best broadcast. Sky with a digital signal and the whole arrangement sucks compared to EPL.
 

Orgut

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Dec 31, 2002
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#49
Akerman said:
Is there really a good reason for this discussion to keep on? I would rather see demonstrations against the taunting of Zoro than the demonstrations against him. How many people would disagree with me? 1 out of 1000? Probably even less.
Actually I`m not that sure that most people think that the Zoro case is worse!

Zoro`s case was just racist (not connected to anything but racist) and it was the crowd that did that...

Di Canio`s case is a lot more than just racism it is connected to the SS to the Nazis who we all know who they were and what they have done. Also it was the player and not the crowd that did that and that is a lot more severe since the player should set an example

The two cases deserve punishment there is no doubt about it but Di Canio`s doing was much severe
 

Maresca

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Aug 23, 2004
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#50
Orgut said:
Actually I`m not that sure that most people think that the Zoro case is worse!

Zoro`s case was just racist (not connected to anything but racist) and it was the crowd that did that...

Di Canio`s case is a lot more than just racism it is connected to the SS to the Nazis who we all know who they were and what they have done. Also it was the player and not the crowd that did that and that is a lot more severe since the player should set an example

The two cases deserve punishment there is no doubt about it but Di Canio`s doing was much severe
off course is the case of Zoro worse, imagine that people are pointing to you, not because of something you have done, but because of your colour. this is much worse, belive me.
 

Orgut

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#51
Maresca said:
off course is the case of Zoro worse, imagine that people are pointing to you, not because of something you have done, but because of your colour. this is much worse, belive me.
I see racist Kilings as more severe than racist comments...
that`s why I say that Di Canio`s case is worse
 
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    Shaka Hislop has hit out at his former team-mate Paolo di Canio after the Italian was fined for showing a fascist salute while playing for Lazio.

    Hislop said their friendship was over after Di Canio made the gesture in a game at Livorno and has not apologised.

    Hislop said: "Paolo never impressed me as that kind of person when he was here at West Ham.

    "When it is someone you thought was a friend it has a longer-lasting effect. I am very disappointed by it."

    Di Canio was suspended for one match and fined for aiming the salute at supporters, which he insists has "nothing to do with political ideologies."

    "I will always salute that way because it gives me a sense of belonging to my people," he said recently.

    But Hislop is disgusted by Di Canio's explanation for his straight-armed salute.

    He said: "He got on well with my wife and my kids and to see him making headlines for his actions disappoints me greatly because of what those gestures mean and the wider effect of it.

    "Paolo was certainly someone I considered a friend who I liked a lot, so I am very disappointed."

    Di Canio was backed by Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi, who believes the 37-year-old striker is simply misunderstood.

    He said: "Di Canio is an exhibitionist. His salute didn't have any significance. He's a good lad."

    -BBC News

     

    isha00

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    #54
    Torkel said:
    Why? I don't see why can't punish this hard because he didn't "affect the game". If anything, racist and fascist behaviour should be punished as hard as anything, IMO. There's simply no place for it at all.
    I can't see why too. But for another reason: that salute that Di Canio loves so much, is considered apologia di fascismo in Italy and is punished by the law. But no one did anything. :(
     

    Layce Erayce

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    #55
    venom said:
    I really don't get a single point Hislop is trying to make. :confused2
    Hislop is black. Di Canio is white. Di Canio makes himself look like a fascist sympathiser so Hislop thinks he's probably racist.

    Connect the rest of the dots.
     
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    Layce Erayce said:
    Hislop is black. Di Canio is white. Di Canio makes himself look like a fascist sympathiser so Hislop thinks he's probably racist.

    Connect the rest of the dots.
    There, picture added, It should be easier to understand now :p
     

    venom

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    #57
    Layce Erayce said:
    Hislop is black. Di Canio is white. Di Canio makes himself look like a fascist sympathiser so Hislop thinks he's probably racist.

    Connect the rest of the dots.
    So Hislop is pulling out that, oh so trendy, racism card. Would have been good if he had something to back up this claim. Interestingly though he says di Canio got along well with him and his wife. So Hislop now pay attention - facism is not a synonyme for racism although they seem to usually go hand in hand.

    Within few years all of us can be labeled as racists with this current level of labeling.
     
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    says on wikipedia:

    After the defeat of Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany in World War II, the term has taken on an extremely pejorative meaning, largely in reaction to the crimes against humanity committed by the Nazis. Today, very few groups proclaim themselves fascist, and the term is often used to describe individuals or political groups who are perceived to behave in an authoritarian or totalitarian manner; by silencing opposition, judging personal behavior, promoting racism, or otherwise attempting to concentrate power and create hate towards the "enemies of the state".
     

    venom

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    Yes they usually go hand in hand, not always. That's the point.

    e: the correct term for the far-right ideology with racial program is national-socialism
     

    Orgut

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    Blatter said that it is time to punish racist behaviour more severly and it will be in the shpae of deducating points or even move them to the next league
    and he commented that on the Di Canio`s case
    so I guess Lazio will lose some gained points and if Di Canio contiunues with it they might find themselves in Serie B

    I personally disagree with that since it is a player and not the whole team so I think a one year ban (for the player) and then if he continue doing that they should give him a ban of two or more years

    About the racism of the fans I think that Blatter`s system would work perfectly
     

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