I think we should make exceptions because two wrongs don't make a right, we should only allow rugani and disciglio to go there, they deserve this more than bologna.
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No he is not, in fact he agreed a pay cut and WE offer him a new contract, so, do you think we offer a renewed cotract to a player that is "to expensive"?
Listen people, if the coach has decided that Rugani is not part of his plans its ok, I get it and I understand he has to go (my only wish is that we havent sog a renew of contract before the coach decided that)... but lets not start making things up and suddnly forget things.
The last 2 or even 3 years Rugani has been very eficient, he somethimes even was better than some of the "starting" defenders, and in fact last season he was nominated "best player of the month" in one or two months.
Like I said... If he has to go cause the coach dont consider him part of the proyect, its fine, but I really want to see a player that accepts the "5th defender" spot without complain and delivers everytime he plays.
Listen people, if the coach has decided that Rugani is not part of his plans its ok, I get it and I understand he has to go (my only wish is that we havent sog a renew of contract before the coach decided that)... but lets not start making things up and suddnly forget things.
The last 2 or even 3 years Rugani has been very eficient, he somethimes even was better than some of the "starting" defenders, and in fact last season he was nominated "best player of the month" in one or two months.
Like I said... If he has to go cause the coach dont consider him part of the proyect, its fine, but I really want to see a player that accepts the "5th defender" spot without complain and delivers everytime he plays.
@Espectro making stuff up lol. What am I making up? My friend just because a player renews at a lower price doesn't make the contract a good one for the club.
About who wears the pants? Okay if my wife looked like that, i would probably wear a dress too.
About who wears the pants? Okay if my wife looked like that, i would probably wear a dress too.
Now, I do think that Giuntoli mistake was renew Rugani without knowing what the coach thinks of him... but in paper, Rugani's renewal made sense and I wouldnt mind at all to keep him.
Oh and about the "pants" comment... yeah sure whatever...
@Espectro no disrespect we all want Juve to win a CL title! Not saying Rugani is a bad player, just my opinion not worth the money he's receiving presently. No debate nrcessary about his production for the money aleardy received by looking below.
Figures here from capology and might not be EXACT wages but sure are close enough. Might be a lot to digest but take your time. I'm retired with time on hands. Numbers interest me to see what comes from them.
Daniele Rugani (Centre-Back) has 2 years and €7,400,000 gross salary remaining on his contract with Juventus (Serie A), expiring on Jun 30, 2026. Daniele Rugani, who is 29 years old, will earn a gross base salary of €3,700,000 for the 2024-2025 Season, or €71,154 per week, not including bonuses.
Below gross Rugani earnings from Juve starting 2018-19 through 2023-24. Adds up to almost 36.6M US gross or averaging 6.1M yearly. For me that amount says he hasn't come close to earning it for the 5389 total minutes played during 5 years with Juve averaging 1078 a year.
Below looks like a reasonably cheap loan deal (1.4M) to Caligari but wonder why they didn't want him to stay? Maybe we wanted him back or maybe it was his poor performance at Caigari? Maybe some truth to a player can look better when surrounded by better players?
Comparing Rugani's pay to other serie teams players
$14.8M total gross payroll of new promoted Como, our first league opponent
1.6M presently highest gross paid Como player
Okay could debate about above example showing lowest salaried squad in serie with Rugani's 4M US yearly contract dwarfing even the top paid Como player.
So let's compare Rugani's present salary ranking if he was on other serie teams ....
AC MILAN (tied 10th highest paid)
ATALANTA (3rd)
BOLOGNA (Tied highest)
CAGLIARI (highest)
EMPOLI (highest)
FIORENTINA (3rd)
GENOA (tied highest)
VERONA (highest)
INTER (15th highest)
LAZIO (tied 3rd)
LECCE (highest)
MONZA (highest)
NAPOLI (6th)
PARMA (highest)
ROMA (tied 12th)
TORINO.(2nd highest)
UDINESE (highest)
VENEZIA (highest)
My main point to this entire post being there has to be enough jabronis out there that do what Rugani does for a lot less money than 3.7M US a year. We need to save money on fringe dime-a-dozen players.
Tidbits from above list comparing just the top level serie teams players and their minutes played earning more than Rugani..
AC MILAN 8 played two times as many minutes over last two years. One player couldn't find appears to be a MDS deal MIA?
ATALANTA 2 Scam played two times and of course Zaniolo was a failure but previous years played more minutes
FIORENTINA 2 played two times as many minutes over last two years.
INTER most have played more than Rugani though see mistake in Arnautovic, Taremi and Correa (Marseille) Zielinski (Napoli). And higher paid, less minutes Frattesi I would swap for Rugani in a heartbeat.
LAZIO 2 played three times as many minutes over last two years.
NAPOLI 3 played two times as many minutes while Buong played penty at Torino and less played Rasp same as Frattesi in trading for Rugani in a heartbeat.
ROMA all 11 played more than Rugani, few three times, others twice as much. Le Fee I guess on loan?
This is the kicker with player comparison.... what every you can say about Cristante (not a fan myself) the guy has played 8615 minutes in the last two years for Roma (I know EL play helped), while Rugani has played 9854 minutes his entire Juve career.
More importantly with money being MY ISSUE HERE, Cristante's contract has cost Roma gross 24.2M US the last 6 years, while Rugani's for that same period was 36.6M.US.
Of course anyone please let me know any mistakes I might have made. I assume a few numbers will be slightly off. Also take into account plenty of signings will occur next couple months so capology numbers will change.
Espectro this might get another 'whatever" from you ..... but i would hire these two to do a life in general interview to any players Juve might entertain on signing. Absolute must first test. Proceed to the next step if they pass. Need to weed out the "softies" who might think they are going to Club Juve.
Figures here from capology and might not be EXACT wages but sure are close enough. Might be a lot to digest but take your time. I'm retired with time on hands. Numbers interest me to see what comes from them.
Daniele Rugani (Centre-Back) has 2 years and €7,400,000 gross salary remaining on his contract with Juventus (Serie A), expiring on Jun 30, 2026. Daniele Rugani, who is 29 years old, will earn a gross base salary of €3,700,000 for the 2024-2025 Season, or €71,154 per week, not including bonuses.
Below gross Rugani earnings from Juve starting 2018-19 through 2023-24. Adds up to almost 36.6M US gross or averaging 6.1M yearly. For me that amount says he hasn't come close to earning it for the 5389 total minutes played during 5 years with Juve averaging 1078 a year.
Below looks like a reasonably cheap loan deal (1.4M) to Caligari but wonder why they didn't want him to stay? Maybe we wanted him back or maybe it was his poor performance at Caigari? Maybe some truth to a player can look better when surrounded by better players?
Comparing Rugani's pay to other serie teams players
$14.8M total gross payroll of new promoted Como, our first league opponent
1.6M presently highest gross paid Como player
Okay could debate about above example showing lowest salaried squad in serie with Rugani's 4M US yearly contract dwarfing even the top paid Como player.
So let's compare Rugani's present salary ranking if he was on other serie teams ....
AC MILAN (tied 10th highest paid)
ATALANTA (3rd)
BOLOGNA (Tied highest)
CAGLIARI (highest)
EMPOLI (highest)
FIORENTINA (3rd)
GENOA (tied highest)
VERONA (highest)
INTER (15th highest)
LAZIO (tied 3rd)
LECCE (highest)
MONZA (highest)
NAPOLI (6th)
PARMA (highest)
ROMA (tied 12th)
TORINO.(2nd highest)
UDINESE (highest)
VENEZIA (highest)
My main point to this entire post being there has to be enough jabronis out there that do what Rugani does for a lot less money than 3.7M US a year. We need to save money on fringe dime-a-dozen players.
Tidbits from above list comparing just the top level serie teams players and their minutes played earning more than Rugani..
AC MILAN 8 played two times as many minutes over last two years. One player couldn't find appears to be a MDS deal MIA?
ATALANTA 2 Scam played two times and of course Zaniolo was a failure but previous years played more minutes
FIORENTINA 2 played two times as many minutes over last two years.
INTER most have played more than Rugani though see mistake in Arnautovic, Taremi and Correa (Marseille) Zielinski (Napoli). And higher paid, less minutes Frattesi I would swap for Rugani in a heartbeat.
LAZIO 2 played three times as many minutes over last two years.
NAPOLI 3 played two times as many minutes while Buong played penty at Torino and less played Rasp same as Frattesi in trading for Rugani in a heartbeat.
ROMA all 11 played more than Rugani, few three times, others twice as much. Le Fee I guess on loan?
This is the kicker with player comparison.... what every you can say about Cristante (not a fan myself) the guy has played 8615 minutes in the last two years for Roma (I know EL play helped), while Rugani has played 9854 minutes his entire Juve career.
More importantly with money being MY ISSUE HERE, Cristante's contract has cost Roma gross 24.2M US the last 6 years, while Rugani's for that same period was 36.6M.US.
Of course anyone please let me know any mistakes I might have made. I assume a few numbers will be slightly off. Also take into account plenty of signings will occur next couple months so capology numbers will change.
Espectro this might get another 'whatever" from you ..... but i would hire these two to do a life in general interview to any players Juve might entertain on signing. Absolute must first test. Proceed to the next step if they pass. Need to weed out the "softies" who might think they are going to Club Juve.
@Espectro no disrespect we all want Juve to win a CL title! Not saying Rugani is a bad player, just my opinion not worth the money he's receiving presently. No debate nrcessary about his production for the money aleardy received by looking below.
Figures here from capology and might not be EXACT wages but sure are close enough. Might be a lot to digest but take your time. I'm retired with time on hands. Numbers interest me to see what comes from them.
Daniele Rugani (Centre-Back) has 2 years and €7,400,000 gross salary remaining on his contract with Juventus (Serie A), expiring on Jun 30, 2026. Daniele Rugani, who is 29 years old, will earn a gross base salary of €3,700,000 for the 2024-2025 Season, or €71,154 per week, not including bonuses.
Below gross Rugani earnings from Juve starting 2018-19 through 2023-24. Adds up to almost 36.6M US gross or averaging 6.1M yearly. For me that amount says he hasn't come close to earning it for the 5389 total minutes played during 5 years with Juve averaging 1078 a year.
Below looks like a reasonably cheap loan deal (1.4M) to Caligari but wonder why they didn't want him to stay? Maybe we wanted him back or maybe it was his poor performance at Caigari? Maybe some truth to a player can look better when surrounded by better players?
Comparing Rugani's pay to other serie teams players
$14.8M total gross payroll of new promoted Como, our first league opponent
1.6M presently highest gross paid Como player
Okay could debate about above example showing lowest salaried squad in serie with Rugani's 4M US yearly contract dwarfing even the top paid Como player.
So let's compare Rugani's present salary ranking if he was on other serie teams ....
AC MILAN (tied 10th highest paid)
ATALANTA (3rd)
BOLOGNA (Tied highest)
CAGLIARI (highest)
EMPOLI (highest)
FIORENTINA (3rd)
GENOA (tied highest)
VERONA (highest)
INTER (15th highest)
LAZIO (tied 3rd)
LECCE (highest)
MONZA (highest)
NAPOLI (6th)
PARMA (highest)
ROMA (tied 12th)
TORINO.(2nd highest)
UDINESE (highest)
VENEZIA (highest)
My main point to this entire post being there has to be enough jabronis out there that do what Rugani does for a lot less money than 3.7M US a year. We need to save money on fringe dime-a-dozen players.
Tidbits from above list comparing just the top level serie teams players and their minutes played earning more than Rugani..
AC MILAN 8 played two times as many minutes over last two years. One player couldn't find appears to be a MDS deal MIA?
ATALANTA 2 Scam played two times and of course Zaniolo was a failure but previous years played more minutes
FIORENTINA 2 played two times as many minutes over last two years.
INTER most have played more than Rugani though see mistake in Arnautovic, Taremi and Correa (Marseille) Zielinski (Napoli). And higher paid, less minutes Frattesi I would swap for Rugani in a heartbeat.
LAZIO 2 played three times as many minutes over last two years.
NAPOLI 3 played two times as many minutes while Buong played penty at Torino and less played Rasp same as Frattesi in trading for Rugani in a heartbeat.
ROMA all 11 played more than Rugani, few three times, others twice as much. Le Fee I guess on loan?
This is the kicker with player comparison.... what every you can say about Cristante (not a fan myself) the guy has played 8615 minutes in the last two years for Roma (I know EL play helped), while Rugani has played 9854 minutes his entire Juve career.
More importantly with money being MY ISSUE HERE, Cristante's contract has cost Roma gross 24.2M US the last 6 years, while Rugani's for that same period was 36.6M.US.
Of course anyone please let me know any mistakes I might have made. I assume a few numbers will be slightly off. Also take into account plenty of signings will occur next couple months so capology numbers will change.
Espectro this might get another 'whatever" from you ..... but i would hire these two to do a life in general interview to any players Juve might entertain on signing. Absolute must first test. Proceed to the next step if they pass. Need to weed out the "softies" who might think they are going to Club Juve.
Figures here from capology and might not be EXACT wages but sure are close enough. Might be a lot to digest but take your time. I'm retired with time on hands. Numbers interest me to see what comes from them.
Daniele Rugani (Centre-Back) has 2 years and €7,400,000 gross salary remaining on his contract with Juventus (Serie A), expiring on Jun 30, 2026. Daniele Rugani, who is 29 years old, will earn a gross base salary of €3,700,000 for the 2024-2025 Season, or €71,154 per week, not including bonuses.
Below gross Rugani earnings from Juve starting 2018-19 through 2023-24. Adds up to almost 36.6M US gross or averaging 6.1M yearly. For me that amount says he hasn't come close to earning it for the 5389 total minutes played during 5 years with Juve averaging 1078 a year.
Below looks like a reasonably cheap loan deal (1.4M) to Caligari but wonder why they didn't want him to stay? Maybe we wanted him back or maybe it was his poor performance at Caigari? Maybe some truth to a player can look better when surrounded by better players?
Comparing Rugani's pay to other serie teams players
$14.8M total gross payroll of new promoted Como, our first league opponent
1.6M presently highest gross paid Como player
Okay could debate about above example showing lowest salaried squad in serie with Rugani's 4M US yearly contract dwarfing even the top paid Como player.
So let's compare Rugani's present salary ranking if he was on other serie teams ....
AC MILAN (tied 10th highest paid)
ATALANTA (3rd)
BOLOGNA (Tied highest)
CAGLIARI (highest)
EMPOLI (highest)
FIORENTINA (3rd)
GENOA (tied highest)
VERONA (highest)
INTER (15th highest)
LAZIO (tied 3rd)
LECCE (highest)
MONZA (highest)
NAPOLI (6th)
PARMA (highest)
ROMA (tied 12th)
TORINO.(2nd highest)
UDINESE (highest)
VENEZIA (highest)
My main point to this entire post being there has to be enough jabronis out there that do what Rugani does for a lot less money than 3.7M US a year. We need to save money on fringe dime-a-dozen players.
Tidbits from above list comparing just the top level serie teams players and their minutes played earning more than Rugani..
AC MILAN 8 played two times as many minutes over last two years. One player couldn't find appears to be a MDS deal MIA?
ATALANTA 2 Scam played two times and of course Zaniolo was a failure but previous years played more minutes
FIORENTINA 2 played two times as many minutes over last two years.
INTER most have played more than Rugani though see mistake in Arnautovic, Taremi and Correa (Marseille) Zielinski (Napoli). And higher paid, less minutes Frattesi I would swap for Rugani in a heartbeat.
LAZIO 2 played three times as many minutes over last two years.
NAPOLI 3 played two times as many minutes while Buong played penty at Torino and less played Rasp same as Frattesi in trading for Rugani in a heartbeat.
ROMA all 11 played more than Rugani, few three times, others twice as much. Le Fee I guess on loan?
This is the kicker with player comparison.... what every you can say about Cristante (not a fan myself) the guy has played 8615 minutes in the last two years for Roma (I know EL play helped), while Rugani has played 9854 minutes his entire Juve career.
More importantly with money being MY ISSUE HERE, Cristante's contract has cost Roma gross 24.2M US the last 6 years, while Rugani's for that same period was 36.6M.US.
Of course anyone please let me know any mistakes I might have made. I assume a few numbers will be slightly off. Also take into account plenty of signings will occur next couple months so capology numbers will change.
Espectro this might get another 'whatever" from you ..... but i would hire these two to do a life in general interview to any players Juve might entertain on signing. Absolute must first test. Proceed to the next step if they pass. Need to weed out the "softies" who might think they are going to Club Juve.
Very impresive post... but yoou do know that Rugani now earns arrown 2M with the new contract?
Listen... Im not saying by any means that Rugani is a great player, he is not, but what he is, is a player that has accept his role in the team, he is a player that has agree his 5th defender position, and never complain about it, he is a player that when the team needs him to play, he has been regular for the last 2 years and he is a player that loves the team.
If you ask me... renewing Rugani for the same 3,5M figures would have been a good decision? Of course not!!
But renew him with a pay cut that he accept that was not a bad deal for us... and its not me who thinks this, at the end of the day Giuntoli was the one that gave him a new contract so, he must think he worths that new deal, he sees what Rugani can offer the team and he wanted to keep him, thats why he gave him a 2 year renewal...
Now, the coach dont want him, and has to go, and thats fine, its the coach's decision, and he is the boss on who stays and goes (or he should be), and trust me I will not lose sleep when Rugani goes... however, finding a player that agrees to be a 5th defender position without complains, earns less than 2M, and when you need him to play delivers... its not that easy to find like many could say.
1) Thank you firstly and of course I know that. I went to capology, present contract 3.7M gross euros - 2M net while I stated 4M gross US - 2.2M net which I posted though a minor error in LARGE BOLD main statement was stated 3.7M US while should have been 4M US.
2) 'Agreed to a 5th position without complaints and love the team." So now Juve management prioritizing players who behave themselves and must love the team? Seriously if I was paid that crazy amount the last 5 years while only averaging close to 1100 minutes yearly, I be in LOVE too! I want players who strive to be first team, if that was his ambition, Rugani wouldn't be playing for Juve.
3) First off, apologize to anyone offended by using the term jabroni in reference to Italian players! Don't know where you got Rugani was at 3.5M and renewed at 2M? Please let me know where you got this. Maybe Juve is even trying to get him lower than 2M but haven't seen reduced salary confirmed.
4) Okay back again to 5th position, never complains, now "less' than 2M, delivers I would equate to isn't injured and can play. And not easy to find.
All i can say is Rugani and family are very happy to be members of Club Juve. Enough players in serie that can give Juve what Rugani has taking half his pay to wear the Juve jersey. Let me know if you want me to research and find names for you?
I'll end with simple math, 3 promoted clubs who I see as weak and add 3 more minnows at least and say 3 Coppa/Super matches. My math gives me 15 total matches and 1350 total minutes. Rugani hasn't even averaged that last 5 seasons. Not worth 2M net euros for that limited patriotic duty.
Honestly I have no clue how Juve management doesn't have the researched numbers I presented when entering negotiations with team Rugani. Probably/hopefully they did. Management doesn't have to discuss them to Rugani at the table unless they can't get at the figure they are happy with too. If that figure isn't agreed upon, let him walk.
Gezz whats with the yelling? 
relax dude 
My dude, listen you know what... you win, Im gonna leave the thing here, I dont want you to have an aneurism or something... if it means so much to you, I hope Rugani leaves
relax dude My dude, listen you know what... you win, Im gonna leave the thing here, I dont want you to have an aneurism or something... if it means so much to you, I hope Rugani leaves
And no worries taking your basketball home. You were way behind anyway.
Not yelling at all my friend, just appears you didn't uptake my first post correctly. And your reply to that seem to suggest you wanted to further debate the point of Rugani worth it or nor worth it? The happy 5th defender and no complaint mentioning just seemed old. I tell you something else about Rugani, my feeling is he wasn't happy and was a complainer at Cal so they told him you can leave.
And no worries taking your basketball home. You were way behind anyway.
And no worries taking your basketball home. You were way behind anyway.
