Cristiano Giuntoli (139 Viewers)

Akshen

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Aug 27, 2010
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I am sure the Motta fiasco that could have cost us the champions league qualification was the reason behind his sacking.
I would even say its his fiasco, he overdid it with youngplayers and throwing out experienced ones to the sewers. Pretty sure Motta could do better with more balanced squad. I know its popular right now to bash Thiago, but looking at it calmly, its this guy who created one of the youngest squad in the league, hoping for a miracle. Not to even mention none of his 3 big signings worked in any way xD.
 

juve123

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Aug 10, 2017
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i'm not. he eventually sort of fixed that mistake by sacking motta just in time

you also don't sack a ds because of huijsen either. it must be his charming personality
So what about the rumours that Elkann intervention was needed to sack Motta as Giuntoli was keen on continuing Motta till the end of the season.
 

carlito

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Feb 5, 2015
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Besides the 1000 low-budget players he bought (Weah, etc.), who all turned out to be as bad as expected, and the OK-tier players he bought for €60-80M (Koop, Luiz, etc.), which were all terrible deals, what I really can’t get over is:
* Nico Gonzalez for €40M: Not just overpaid, this one is worse than Krasic. We'll have him on loan for many years. Juve’s Lozano: the Archetypal Shit Winger, basically, the chef’s signature dish.
* Huijsen and Fagioli sold for peanuts.
* Kelly for €27M, almost forgot about him
Even his decent transfers, Kalulu and Kolo, are nothing special. Thuram probably better but still, not the new Busquets
 
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Alin

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Jul 27, 2015
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The problem is - his signings stay - Kelly is still here.
Misappropriation of funds and poor scouting are probably my main criticisms of him, along with a very questionable character…

Ultimately instead of getting us back on track he wasted two seasons in which he got the team and squad consistently weaker to the point of losing all it’s identity… don’t know if the Kelly transfer really weighted that much in the reasons behind the sacking but the pattern of hiring Motta and pushing out key and promising players only to replace them with overpaid duds had sure played an very important part.

Good riddance all in all.
 

Robee

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Jun 21, 2011
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I would even say its his fiasco, he overdid it with youngplayers and throwing out experienced ones to the sewers. Pretty sure Motta could do better with more balanced squad. I know its popular right now to bash Thiago, but looking at it calmly, its this guy who created one of the youngest squad in the league, hoping for a miracle. Not to even mention none of his 3 big signings worked in any way xD.
They're both responsible for that. Motta obviously didn't want Danilo for instance. He had him in the squad for the first half of the season and rarely used him... Following Motta that much rightly cost him in the end. He had some good buys too ('though some didn't work out for now) but the Huijsen sale will be his legacy anyway after this sacking.

Let's just hope we have managerial (and coaching) clarity ASAP.
 

GarfielD

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May 21, 2009
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Besides the 1000 low-budget players he bought (Weah, etc.), who all turned out to be as bad as expected, and the OK-tier players he bought for €60-80M (Koop, Luiz, etc.), which were all terrible deals, what I really can’t get over is:
* Nico Gonzalez for €40M: Not just overpaid, this one is worse than Krasic. We'll have him on loan for many years. Juve’s Lozano: the Archetypal Shit Winger, basically, the chef’s signature dish.
* Huijsen and Fagioli sold for peanuts.
* Kelly for €27M, almost forgot about him
Even his decent transfers, Kalulu and Kolo, are nothing special. Thuram probably better but still, not the new Busquets
Credit where its due, Thuram, Kolo Muani and Kalulu were great deals.
 

Akshen

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Aug 27, 2010
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i just wonder how this will affect:
- Kolo Muani - will we try to buy him or extend the loan?
- Chico - does he has a future here?
- Kalulu - will we buy him out with new DS?
- Veiga - will we try to negiotiate a deal for him?
 

Scottish

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Mar 13, 2011
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Misappropriation of funds and poor scouting are probably my main criticisms of him, along with a very questionable character…

Ultimately instead of getting us back on track he wasted two seasons in which he got the team and squad consistently weaker to the point of losing all it’s identity… don’t know if the Kelly transfer really weighted that much in the reasons behind the sacking but the pattern of hiring Motta and pushing out key and promising players only to replace them with overpaid duds had sure played an very important part.

Good riddance all in all.
Punishing Allegri with that loser from Southampton or whatever was an early red flag, he should have been pulled up for that and put on a final warning.

Last summer's mercato had us all excited. On paper it was a very good squad but in practice absolute shite. We were told he has a huge player database in his head remember that :lol:
 

littlePrince

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Nov 10, 2014
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I'll quickly summarize Romeo Agresti's video for those who work:



Giuntoli Out:

In these hours, the Juventus ownership will communicate to Cristiano Giuntoli that his centrality in the sporting project has disappeared.Difficult but necessary decision: better to turn the page than to drag out a forced cohabitation.A consensual resolution of the contract will be sought (still 3 years remaining), with Juve already projected towards the post-Giuntoli era.Comolli is expected to arrive in Turin in the next few days.Matteo Tognozzi, former head scout who has long been linked to Juve, returns.Giorgio Chiellini will have increasingly more operational and managerial powers, becoming a key figure in the new organizational chart.

Behind the scenes:

Giuntoli had been chosen by Francesco Calvo for a well-defined technical role: only DS of the first team.Over time, it has centralized too much power, expanding its scope beyond what was initially intended.After the "fall" of Calvo (in conflict with Allegri), Giuntoli gained ground, but without a stable and shared support structure.He brought with him trusted collaborators (Pompilio, Stefanelli), but was unable to integrate with figures already present (Tognozzi, Manna, Claudio Chiellini).The Giuntoli project changed too quickly compared to what was originally thought.

What is being charged to Giuntoli:

Questionable management of young players, with emblematic examples such as Huijsen: lost at a low cost, valorised elsewhere (Bournemouth), while Juve bought less incisive profiles at a high price (e.g. Kelly).Lack of protection of coaches: first he seemed in tune with Allegri, then the relationship cooled. With Tiago Motta everything sank already in March.Not very effective communication: often judged as home-made and unsuitable for the Juventus environment, which requires rigor, clarity and decisiveness.

How Juventus wants to rebuild itself:

The ownership wants to return to a well-defined hierarchical structure, like that of the Agnelli-Marotta-Nedved era, with clear roles and distributed powers.Too many responsibilities in the hands of a single figure (as happened with Paratici, and now with Giuntoli) have turned out to be a boomerang.The new management will focus on clear and sustainable choices, avoiding confusion with parallel figures/figures that bypass the current management.
 

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