Cristiano Giuntoli (70 Viewers)

DAiDEViL

Senior Member
Feb 21, 2015
64,607
Why is this a question made to fans? Giuntolli is earning a nice sum of money to find solutions. He has a team of employees, scouts working for him. He is not working pro bono. We hired him assuming that he is capable enough to solve our issues and so far he has created new ones. His moves make no sense. Fire a CB while we are already a thin in defense so that we can play midfielders and a winger in back 4. How is this a logical move? Why not keep Danilo until the summer and work on replacement? Right now we have to field Loca and Gatti as central defenders. The former bricklayer is author of 2 of the most commical own goals. He should be nowhere near starting 11. Id argue if he is good enough for the bench. We dont have money? Well, he wasted most of the budget on 2 midfielders that flopped. Why would you buy a midfielder (Luiz) that doesnt suit the coach you hired or the team in general?
Look, I agree with most of the things you are saying, but I fail to see how any of this is Bono's fault, and I don't even like the guy.
 

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Zebrastreifenpferd
Mar 13, 2011
10,232
The biggiest issue with Giuntoli besides how horribly he deals with conflicts/disputes (Chiesa, Mckennie, Danilo, soon Vlahovic), is his choice of coach.


That defines everything, his midfield signings could all objectively work much better under a better manager. His defence signings tho, they genuinely feel all over the place. Combo of penny pinching and being told by Motta I want CBs that can play fullback and he just gets whoever. Kalulu worked out wonderfully, but everything else feels scattered and random.


It took him 6 months to get a 2nd CF in the team. And that doesn't even feel like its for depth purposes since it looks like we will get rid of Vlahovic in few months, so we will be back in square one then.



Hope he gets Jonathan David freebie. Don't make another Marcus Thuram type miss.
Agree, the underperformance starts with the coach. These are good players - or they were before Motta tried using them wrong.

Just like @Salvo said that Juventus needs a strong president, we also need a strong coach who can clearly communicate mercato strategy to the DS, and when things go sideways can adapt tactics to the squad.

I'm so sick of Motta. Single easiest impactful change to make.
 

Papi-a

Senior Member
May 9, 2006
676
Wtf.

yes he did but good players, so did Chelsea. He is playing fifa!!

No leaders, to many different nationalities! To many new players.

no coach in the would could make hvis team play good. Locatelli, weston, fattige dusan and cambiaso only players that played last year.

Need atleast 1 season maybe 2.
 

The Quazis

Senior Member
Dec 21, 2012
5,568
You forgot one important factor - Madrid win in spite of their struggles. We continue to struggle, and somehow get worse.

Madrid, last time I checked, are 15 time CL winners, and last won La Liga in 2023.

They can afford to be (somewhat) patient because they've never really failed (only in 2020 if recent memory serves). Their standards are incredibly high that if they don't win La Liga and the CL, the season is considered a disappointment.

We've been starved of success for 5 years. We were close to the pinnacle, but we have plumetted at an alarmingly fast rate, with no end in sight. Our demise began with the constant downgrades after selling both Vidal and Pogba: the acquisition of Ronaldo only exacerbaed the situation and Covid compounded it.

You can't build a winning team without consistency, and that consistency must be a shared vision between ownership, management, coaches, physios, the medical team, the players, and the fans. It also involves retaining your best players, not chopping and churning. Do you see how a Sfinter with no money has managed success over the past 5 years? Balance and retention of their core. They haven't sold Lautaro, Barella, or Bastoni. Their key cogs are still there. We need to identify our key cogs and build around them, complement them with quality players and personalities.

The bottom line is, we wouldn't be so harsh if there was a clear vision/strategy and the improvement was visible. So far, our play is insipid, our coach is asinine, our sporting director is a buffoon, and the performances do nothing to absolve anyone, and everything is magnified tenfold because the results are abysmal.

This is Juventus, not some high school experiment. If you can't handle the pressure or deliver, GTFO! It's that simple.
You are talking how consistency is important in building a team and your patience run out after five months when we are still in the race to achieve our goals.

Not only I didn't miss the fact Madrid has been so successful recently but I have chosen them as an example on purpose. What their example shows is that they don't make hasty moves on the market even though they've been hit with an injury crisis same as us and have incomparable appeal and transfer budget. Yet majority of posters here are certain Giuntoli should have scheduled medicals for two world class defenders January 2nd the latest.

Inter has been selling their best players each year. Icardi, Lukaku, Hakimi, Onana, Brozovic. They also lost Conte. I have to admit they were extremely effective with replacing those players with bosmans or low budget transfers but they also made costly mistakes like Correa, Alexis, Lukaku loan, Cuadrado, Godin. I wonder how long that could last.

Giuntoli inherited a squad with washed up players like A. Sandro, Danilo, over paid Vlahovic, always injured Milik, Moise Kean with 0 goals for a whole season, Arthur etc. He was given basically no transfer budget. Yet he managed to reduce the average age of the squad to almost the lowest in the league and significantly reduce the wage bill.
It's clear to see this squad has potential to improve in the coming years what cannot be said about our rivals in Serie A.

Please stop with this "but we are Juventus" argument because there are teams spending billions on transfers and still can't win a CL. Yet you expect Giuntoli to build a winning squad just because we used to be winning in the past.
 

Amer

Senior Member
Feb 13, 2005
11,288
Pussy members crying everywhere, bu-hu, players didn't apologize to us after the loss, bu-hu, I paid a ticket.

@Robee @Xperd @campionesidd still defending what can't be defended.

@DanielSz desperately trying to justify investments in young meat.

@Osman desperately scouting second divisions in Europe.

Members still hoping it can be turned around, willing to give more seasons to loser coach and his managers. Thereby members becoming losers.

I'm dissappointed!

I protest!

Wake up everyone!

It's not too late for revolution!

Revolution!

Revolution!

Who's with me?

Let's write to Juve headquarters!
 

kappa96

Senior Member
Jun 20, 2018
7,469

This here will be the end of this era.
Let me translate these Danilo claims.

“Juventus has always been a family, always paid attention to details and the human aspect.” “This has been somewhat lost in the last 6 months, I believe that the latest results and events are largely due to the loss of this identity.”

Danilo is basically saying that juve was paying hefty wages for mediocrity without making a fuss about player performance and what not and in the last 6 months they started to demand that if they want those kind of salaries they need to do better and since that is a no, no for Danilo which is as mediocre as it gets , Juve is not a "family" anymore, lol.

Also , Danilo, "Juve used to finish 5th , 4th and I would still start. That's what "family" was all about".

Danilo "Capitano" of JJ banter era, Man City's and Real Madrid's jabroni.
 
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Amer

Senior Member
Feb 13, 2005
11,288
Let me translate these Danilo claims.

“Juventus has always been a family, always paid attention to details and the human aspect.” “This has been somewhat lost in the last 6 months, I believe that the latest results and events are largely due to the loss of this identity.”

Danilo is basically saying that juve was paying hefty wages for mediocrity without making a fuss about player performance and what not and in the last 6 months they started to demand that if they want those kind of salaries they need to do better and since that is a no, no for Danilo which is as mediocre as it gets , Juve is not a "family" anymore, lol.

Danilo "Capitano" of JJ banter era
Bro, the club ousted players in July and then re-integrated some of them to squad.

We can debate about Allegri as long as we want, but that was not a way for Giuntoli to treat a legend that brough us so many trophies.

These are just some of the examples of terrible decisions and management. I can go all day.

Juve has completely lost it's identity.
 

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