Contract with Mediaset Group (9 Viewers)
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Actually I see this 'megadeal' as a very bad thing for Serie A. I've said it before, but will say so again: Worrying times for Serie A fans..
Without even looking at all the troubles surrounding the backroom politics and racism etc., only looking at the quality of the league.
The overall quality seems to be redundant. With the big clubs moving even further away from the rest.
Former 'glorious' sides like Lazio, celebrating drawing against Juve for example. The quality of the defenders of the lower sides, hugely diminished.
I always know the goals will surely fall for us. Such uncharacteristic defensive errors are being made every so often throughout the league.
This mega deal with Mediaset for the TV rights, worth millions, it'll make things even worse. The big three (only three nowadays...) get so much more income than the smaller sides.
Ofcourse this is not strange, but the relative difference between the clubs in the league is too big compared to let's say that difference is in the Bundesliga(as someone already pointed out in this thread, as did he point out the following). In the Bungesliga, one can only buy the rights of the entire league.Which a pain for the likes of Bayern, but helps out the smaller sides a great deal financielly. Compare the 80 something million TV income from Juve to that of Bayerns 10-20 million euros.
Due to broadcasters in Italy being able to freely buy the rights of just one club; the small sides get 'neglected' and the bigger sides get even richer.
The big sides get better and the smaller sides even worse.
One might argue for the 'rise' of clubs like Sampdoria and Palermo, but I think that's flattering them and it's only due to the fall of former giants like Roma, Lazio and Parma.
I do not think this is a periodical thing either, It will probably get only worse
With just Fioretina able to catch the untouchables at the top in the future. That might mean that we'll soon have the big 4, seperated from the rest
A little irrelivant in this discussion, but regardless; I think keeping their top 4 position in the years to come, will depend a great deal on wether or not Fiorentina can keep Prandelli. Prandelli is a coach I rate highly and would be able to keep Fioretina performing on a high level.
Though regarding their top 4 position as it is looking now, their top 4 position will most likely be just that... the 4th position. The best of the rest.
Though every league is predictable to a certain extent of who will come out on top, in Serie A they're now setting a trend. Almost a monopolisation of the top positions..
The creation of an European super league would be the only reason to allow these differences to exist. I can't see anything like European super league being realized though, so in Serie a itself measures should be taken. Once again, they should take the bundesliga as an example.
Anyway this 'trend' will happen (has happened) in the other leagues as well.
It's somewhat unavoidable that you will always have your big teams and minnows, you won't be able to change that(except maybe with that NBA system -the rise and fall of the bulls?). Yet simply making these TV rights for example a collective thing would be one step in the right direction..
Without even looking at all the troubles surrounding the backroom politics and racism etc., only looking at the quality of the league.
The overall quality seems to be redundant. With the big clubs moving even further away from the rest.
Former 'glorious' sides like Lazio, celebrating drawing against Juve for example. The quality of the defenders of the lower sides, hugely diminished.
I always know the goals will surely fall for us. Such uncharacteristic defensive errors are being made every so often throughout the league.
This mega deal with Mediaset for the TV rights, worth millions, it'll make things even worse. The big three (only three nowadays...) get so much more income than the smaller sides.
Ofcourse this is not strange, but the relative difference between the clubs in the league is too big compared to let's say that difference is in the Bundesliga(as someone already pointed out in this thread, as did he point out the following). In the Bungesliga, one can only buy the rights of the entire league.Which a pain for the likes of Bayern, but helps out the smaller sides a great deal financielly. Compare the 80 something million TV income from Juve to that of Bayerns 10-20 million euros.
Due to broadcasters in Italy being able to freely buy the rights of just one club; the small sides get 'neglected' and the bigger sides get even richer.
The big sides get better and the smaller sides even worse.
One might argue for the 'rise' of clubs like Sampdoria and Palermo, but I think that's flattering them and it's only due to the fall of former giants like Roma, Lazio and Parma.
I do not think this is a periodical thing either, It will probably get only worse
With just Fioretina able to catch the untouchables at the top in the future. That might mean that we'll soon have the big 4, seperated from the rest
A little irrelivant in this discussion, but regardless; I think keeping their top 4 position in the years to come, will depend a great deal on wether or not Fiorentina can keep Prandelli. Prandelli is a coach I rate highly and would be able to keep Fioretina performing on a high level.
Though regarding their top 4 position as it is looking now, their top 4 position will most likely be just that... the 4th position. The best of the rest.
Though every league is predictable to a certain extent of who will come out on top, in Serie A they're now setting a trend. Almost a monopolisation of the top positions..
The creation of an European super league would be the only reason to allow these differences to exist. I can't see anything like European super league being realized though, so in Serie a itself measures should be taken. Once again, they should take the bundesliga as an example.
Anyway this 'trend' will happen (has happened) in the other leagues as well.
It's somewhat unavoidable that you will always have your big teams and minnows, you won't be able to change that(except maybe with that NBA system -the rise and fall of the bulls?). Yet simply making these TV rights for example a collective thing would be one step in the right direction..
Oh yes, that's smart. By switching to a collective deal most of our income would be lost and we wouldn't be able to be among Europe's best anymore. Losing 100 million euros is no joke.
Where would we make up for the lost cash? Selling season tickets????NO WAY!
Our side's quality would fall so much it would be humourous.
I pray to God at night that the system will stay the same, ofcourse among other things like end world hunger.
We're shooting ourselves in our foot with these deals. In the long run it'll hurt this league and hurt it hard. Years ago, Serie A was such an attraction due to the 7 sisters. There are only 3 left, with no competition from the other 17 sides whatsoever. Serie A is already suffering from crowd troubles. Yes let's keep things like they are, sure Juve, Milan and Inter might be dominant forces in europe. But would everyone in Italy (and outside..)be interested to see Juve winning 34+ league matches every single year? I tell you, deals like this will eventually kill the league..
In most of Europe's top leagues it is this way. In England we have Chelsea, Man.Utd and Arsenal......well, just Chelsea. In Spain only Real Madrid and Barcelona stand a real chance of winning the league, although lucky and unlucky breaks can happen.
The attraction to Serie A will still be if our clubs do well in Europe, because if we do well there new fans will start supporting our teams and because of that italian football will be watched and enjoyed around the world.
The attraction to Serie A will still be if our clubs do well in Europe, because if we do well there new fans will start supporting our teams and because of that italian football will be watched and enjoyed around the world.
I don`t think that selling all tv rights together would be a good idea but perhaps the rich clubs could give 10-15% to the poor clubs. Then the gap would be a little bit smaller. It is very hard for some small clubs to get a tv deal. small clubs like lecce or messina have just local fans and they are not very attractive for tv companies.
The non-cripted rights are sold and then divided equally.
And the small teams get the 18% of what is gained by Juve, Inter, Milan in the matches played against them in Delle Alpi or San Siro (with the selling of tickets and tv rights).
Maybe it's not enough, but it's not like they don't get anything. Not to count that Serie A teaches us that you can create a good team even with a small budget (Chievo, Livorno). The important thing is using the money considerately.
But I think that, before of the rights, there is another problem that has to be solved and that is maybe a bigger burden for some teams: the fact that some of them pay all of their taxes and the wages of their players and some do not, using the money to buy new players and get stronger. Of course then most of the honest ones get relegated (Bologna). How is this equal?
And the small teams get the 18% of what is gained by Juve, Inter, Milan in the matches played against them in Delle Alpi or San Siro (with the selling of tickets and tv rights).
Maybe it's not enough, but it's not like they don't get anything. Not to count that Serie A teaches us that you can create a good team even with a small budget (Chievo, Livorno). The important thing is using the money considerately.
But I think that, before of the rights, there is another problem that has to be solved and that is maybe a bigger burden for some teams: the fact that some of them pay all of their taxes and the wages of their players and some do not, using the money to buy new players and get stronger. Of course then most of the honest ones get relegated (Bologna). How is this equal?
Well, lets get ready to rummmmmbleeeeee!!!:
Juventus TV deal under threat
Friday 30 December, 2005
Juventus’ newly signed TV rights deal could be in jeopardy after the President of the Italian Football Federation Franco Corraro called for a return to collective TV rights.
The Bianconeri’s £150m deal with Mediaset is legal under the current rulings, Law 99 allows clubs to make individual deals with TV companies for the rights to their matches. However, Corraro has now called for this rule to be scrapped. “I’ve always said that I’m opposed to this law. If people want to debate it I’m ready,” he said.
The Presidents of eight Serie A clubs - Ascoli, Fiorentina, Lecce, Livorno, Palermo, Parma, Sampdoria and Treviso – have expressed concern at the current laws, claiming they are allowing a bigger gap to emerge between the top clubs and the rest of the field.
Maurizio Zamparini, President of Palermo and Vice-president of the Italian League, has also spoken out in opposition of Law 99. “We want a more equal distribution of resources and the reintroduction of collective deals,” said Zamparini, before stating that he saw Juventus’ deal as void and that he would try to prevent the 7 January clash between his club and Juve from being televised.
However, Milan’s Vice President Adriano Galliani was quick to offer his support for Juventus, reminding Zamparini that the Turin club’s deal with Mediaset was “completely legal.” Despite his rejection of Law 99, Corraro stressed that investment in the Italian game by large companies was encouraging.
“If a big company like Mediaset are ready to invest so much money in Serie A it at least shows that the big clubs don’t need to consider a European League. Redistribution of resources from TV deals is another matter,” he said.
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Juventus TV deal under threat
Friday 30 December, 2005
Juventus’ newly signed TV rights deal could be in jeopardy after the President of the Italian Football Federation Franco Corraro called for a return to collective TV rights.
The Bianconeri’s £150m deal with Mediaset is legal under the current rulings, Law 99 allows clubs to make individual deals with TV companies for the rights to their matches. However, Corraro has now called for this rule to be scrapped. “I’ve always said that I’m opposed to this law. If people want to debate it I’m ready,” he said.
The Presidents of eight Serie A clubs - Ascoli, Fiorentina, Lecce, Livorno, Palermo, Parma, Sampdoria and Treviso – have expressed concern at the current laws, claiming they are allowing a bigger gap to emerge between the top clubs and the rest of the field.
Maurizio Zamparini, President of Palermo and Vice-president of the Italian League, has also spoken out in opposition of Law 99. “We want a more equal distribution of resources and the reintroduction of collective deals,” said Zamparini, before stating that he saw Juventus’ deal as void and that he would try to prevent the 7 January clash between his club and Juve from being televised.
However, Milan’s Vice President Adriano Galliani was quick to offer his support for Juventus, reminding Zamparini that the Turin club’s deal with Mediaset was “completely legal.” Despite his rejection of Law 99, Corraro stressed that investment in the Italian game by large companies was encouraging.
“If a big company like Mediaset are ready to invest so much money in Serie A it at least shows that the big clubs don’t need to consider a European League. Redistribution of resources from TV deals is another matter,” he said.
channel4.com
This is not a serious threat. Who exactly runs the league? Carraro is just a puppet to make the small clubs believe they have somekind of power.
Galliani is the man who really runs the show and when his boss's companies are also under threat (Mediaset and AC Milan), the best thing to do is nothing. Right?
The chances of our deal being torn up is the same as we will be stripped of the titles we won between '96-99.
Galliani is the man who really runs the show and when his boss's companies are also under threat (Mediaset and AC Milan), the best thing to do is nothing. Right?
The chances of our deal being torn up is the same as we will be stripped of the titles we won between '96-99.
As EPL-ish as this might sound, an all-round solution would probably be repackaging the Serie A. Broaden its appeal and increase viewership; that way Juve wouldn't have to relinquish its big money deals, while smaller clubs get increased revenue all around, not just with regards to broadcasting rights.
Interesting thing.
I was reading a thread on j1897 where some people wrote that it's possibile to have Sky Italia abroad (they talked about Germany, UK, France and Switzerland).
The only problem is that you have to have residency in Italy or someone (friend/relative) that has it and can pay/guarantee for you.
Then you'd have to get the Sky Italia decoder.
I was reading a thread on j1897 where some people wrote that it's possibile to have Sky Italia abroad (they talked about Germany, UK, France and Switzerland).
The only problem is that you have to have residency in Italy or someone (friend/relative) that has it and can pay/guarantee for you.
Then you'd have to get the Sky Italia decoder.