I love being underestimated, though.
Much better for Juve to just quietly go along winning games and trying to catch Inter, rather than being hyped up the whole time.
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I love being underestimated, though.
Much better for Juve to just quietly go along winning games and trying to catch Inter, rather than being hyped up the whole time.
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your lack of intelligence leads to astounding conclusions ... the nicest way to answer such nonsense is
who is we ? if you include yourself in "we", than this is straightward wrong.
you are not even smart enough to stfu when people with brain and education are talking, you are the least to use the word "smart".
someone that does share anus-jokes with other proven smartheads (andy & co) does speak of being smart ?
someone that is so childish that he does call others to neg-rep me because you are not man enough to take a joke on you is smart?
perhaps in your definition this is "smart", but i am pretty sure that non biased normal people would call this "stupid and childish", but perhaps i do you wrong. perhaps you are just 12 years old ... than your behaviour would be appropriate (for that age)
i am sorry, but YOU are DOOOOOOOMED
sometimes this whole ranieri bashing reminds me of those jobless people that do moan about the politicians all the time and do try to find the reason and fault for their shady existence on everybody but themselves... get a life ...
i provided you with many funny colourful pictures to help you understand
who is we ? if you include yourself in "we", than this is straightward wrong.
you are not even smart enough to stfu when people with brain and education are talking, you are the least to use the word "smart".
someone that does share anus-jokes with other proven smartheads (andy & co) does speak of being smart ?
someone that is so childish that he does call others to neg-rep me because you are not man enough to take a joke on you is smart?
perhaps in your definition this is "smart", but i am pretty sure that non biased normal people would call this "stupid and childish", but perhaps i do you wrong. perhaps you are just 12 years old ... than your behaviour would be appropriate (for that age)
i am sorry, but YOU are DOOOOOOOMED
sometimes this whole ranieri bashing reminds me of those jobless people that do moan about the politicians all the time and do try to find the reason and fault for their shady existence on everybody but themselves... get a life ...
i provided you with many funny colourful pictures to help you understand
great build-up play? Ale lost the ball in our half of the pitch, the defense was moving forward and was caught off-guard...WHERE THE FUCK was the 
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We'll see how it plays out. The way we have been progressing through this season seems extremely familiar to Capello's first season where we beat up on Milan away, won on aggregate over Real Madrid, and had a strong, compact side that was difficult to break down. It was very machine-like. While we are doing fine now, it remains to be seen whether such play can succeed against some sides in Europe, along with shake off the usual winter slump.
I am probably overly obsessed with passing and possession, but I have seen my side struggle against teams such as Manure, Liverpool and Arsenal through the years, teams I thoroughly cannot stand. And I feel the way to beat them is through a possession game.
I am probably overly obsessed with passing and possession, but I have seen my side struggle against teams such as Manure, Liverpool and Arsenal through the years, teams I thoroughly cannot stand. And I feel the way to beat them is through a possession game.
Having less of a possession, in general, doesnt need to mean being incapable of holding the ball, but a deliberate and effective tactic to pounce on the counter with quick transistions, which we seem to be concentrated on somwaht.
Anyone saw the Udinese-Lazio game this weekend? It was a perfect case of this tactical gameplan, Udinese had 33% ball possession, Lazio 67, and well...Udinese was extremely efficient with their possession, they gave the ball to Lazio most of the time (or more of letting them have it), who lulled around with it, while they waited like pack of hyenas to pounce on the counter any given moment, and they did it perfectly. Whenever they had pressured lazio's high defence quickly and got the ball, they were on the counter in a split second, and scored 3 goals like that in the first half, 3-0 up. Lazio did ZIP with their ball possession the whole half. While Udinese had tons of dangerous chances except the goals.
But you wouldnt read this from the ball possession stats. Udinese read Lazio like an open book and knew exactly how to punish them with a very direct and quick transistional gameplan.
Anyone saw the Udinese-Lazio game this weekend? It was a perfect case of this tactical gameplan, Udinese had 33% ball possession, Lazio 67, and well...Udinese was extremely efficient with their possession, they gave the ball to Lazio most of the time (or more of letting them have it), who lulled around with it, while they waited like pack of hyenas to pounce on the counter any given moment, and they did it perfectly. Whenever they had pressured lazio's high defence quickly and got the ball, they were on the counter in a split second, and scored 3 goals like that in the first half, 3-0 up. Lazio did ZIP with their ball possession the whole half. While Udinese had tons of dangerous chances except the goals.
But you wouldnt read this from the ball possession stats. Udinese read Lazio like an open book and knew exactly how to punish them with a very direct and quick transistional gameplan.
Our poor possession is alot to do with not having good enough passers too, even if yes thats our tactic, but Udinese has a good core of passers with their tridente, and Inler and D'Agostino who both are one of the better passers in the league. But they chose that tactic to ulitilize their quick attack, and somewhat protect their weak defence in a way.
But us, even if its a team Ranieri formed this way to play in that way, dont thrive in possession simply because we dont have enough quality passers starting.
But us, even if its a team Ranieri formed this way to play in that way, dont thrive in possession simply because we dont have enough quality passers starting.
Andy, what you said is true. But let me put it this way........
For 4 seasons, and now the 5th is on it's way, i've seen how teams who keep possession, teams like Milan and Roma, struggle against teams such as Juve and Inter. The Juve and Inter who keep things simple, use force rather than technique, and who keep winning the scudetto at the end.
Now here we have a problem. One style wins in Italy while the other style wins in Europe.
In Italy you have 38 rounds while in Europe no mistake is alowed and one bad day can mean that your season is over.
Where should we concentrate (before the season starts), on Europe or Italy?
I always say that our objective should be the scudetto, while in Europe we should go step by step and whatever happens happens.
You can build your team to win the CL but one single mistake can ruin everything you've been building. There are at least 10 very strong teams and your chances will always be at least 1/10. It's different in Italy where mistakes are alowed and where you have mostly one or two real rivals. If you build your team to win a scudetto than you have realistic chances to do it.
Not so much in Europe.
For 4 seasons, and now the 5th is on it's way, i've seen how teams who keep possession, teams like Milan and Roma, struggle against teams such as Juve and Inter. The Juve and Inter who keep things simple, use force rather than technique, and who keep winning the scudetto at the end.
Now here we have a problem. One style wins in Italy while the other style wins in Europe.
In Italy you have 38 rounds while in Europe no mistake is alowed and one bad day can mean that your season is over.
Where should we concentrate (before the season starts), on Europe or Italy?
I always say that our objective should be the scudetto, while in Europe we should go step by step and whatever happens happens.
You can build your team to win the CL but one single mistake can ruin everything you've been building. There are at least 10 very strong teams and your chances will always be at least 1/10. It's different in Italy where mistakes are alowed and where you have mostly one or two real rivals. If you build your team to win a scudetto than you have realistic chances to do it.
Not so much in Europe.
Its about balance Alen, and I understand what you mean with physical play, but it can have both in a blanced way. But its OBVIOUS this Juve is quite imbalanced to lacking passing ability quite a bit (thats why we cant grind out results against minor teams now, we have the physical power, but not passing ability or ideas to create zip to open them up).
It wasnt like that all in the past when we could grind games with force, but also with ability, and yeah not as much about passing, but redundant to say, that this Juve doesnt have the quality of the past ones, obviously.
It wasnt like that all in the past when we could grind games with force, but also with ability, and yeah not as much about passing, but redundant to say, that this Juve doesnt have the quality of the past ones, obviously.
Absolutely.
The problem is that it's incredibly hard to find the balance. It's a process which requires lots of time and finances. It takes a lot of time, work and even luck to create a great generation that can change the tempo of the game whenever wishes, that can play different styles.
The Juve of 1996-1998 or Milan 2003-2006 is not something that can be easily created.
The problem is that it's incredibly hard to find the balance. It's a process which requires lots of time and finances. It takes a lot of time, work and even luck to create a great generation that can change the tempo of the game whenever wishes, that can play different styles.
The Juve of 1996-1998 or Milan 2003-2006 is not something that can be easily created.
But we have seen that the best teams in the world are the most balanced. It's difficult to predict what the state of each environment will be in the future, with everything outside of our control depending on the state of other teams. If this Milan side would stop acting like imbeciles signing Thiagos and Beckhams, put an effort into fixing the things that need to be fixed, perhaps they could have mounted a better effort against us.
In my view, we shouldn't worry about a trade off between the Serie A and Champions League, and rather just build the best and most balanced side we possibly can. Anything overly polarized in the world is more likely to see a breaking point in it's sustainability, so events happen to balance matters out and keep things on an even kiel. So to safeguard against that is to remain balanced, similar to what we saw under the two Lippi eras. If it really was as easy as it seems, the most polarized teams would be winning the trophies, but that's not really the case.
Our general approach to the game where we over power teams through strength in midfield is okay, but we need to be more dynamic and have more tricks up our sleeves. This is what we have been lacking through these years and unfortunately there is still no remedy for it.
In my view, we shouldn't worry about a trade off between the Serie A and Champions League, and rather just build the best and most balanced side we possibly can. Anything overly polarized in the world is more likely to see a breaking point in it's sustainability, so events happen to balance matters out and keep things on an even kiel. So to safeguard against that is to remain balanced, similar to what we saw under the two Lippi eras. If it really was as easy as it seems, the most polarized teams would be winning the trophies, but that's not really the case.
Our general approach to the game where we over power teams through strength in midfield is okay, but we need to be more dynamic and have more tricks up our sleeves. This is what we have been lacking through these years and unfortunately there is still no remedy for it.
It's pretty clear that our biggest wins came when we perfected a solid backline and a lethal counter-attack, surrendering midfield possession for the most part.
Despite Legro and Chiellini's mastery of late, given our dicey backline at times (especially at fullback), a little talent can crack that nut open pretty easily. And if we have to play catch-up football, I really worry.
Despite Legro and Chiellini's mastery of late, given our dicey backline at times (especially at fullback), a little talent can crack that nut open pretty easily. And if we have to play catch-up football, I really worry.
Yes, only a fool won't agree with that Andy.
But i already said that it's tough to create a balanced team and it's especially hard to do it now with this Juve. If we started the process earlier, or if we weren't so unlucky with Andrade, Almiron and Tiago, the story might have been different.
But now we're in trouble and it will take a lot of time to do that.
Look at our defense. These guys can't keep possession at all and they can't combine with the midfielders. Chiellini and Molinaro are probably the clumsiest defenders in serie A.
Just compare the technical qualities of our defense to Cafu-Maldini-Nesta-Serginho/Stam. It's easy to keep possession when even the defenders know what to do with the ball at their feet. Our defenders just try to get rid of the ball asap.
In midfield, in order to find a perfect balance, we definitely need more talent next to Sissoko, and even that way we can't talk about keeping possession since Sissoko will also have to be included in the build-up and he'll fuck up most of the passes. Davids, Gattuso, Yaya Toure, Carrick, Keane are also DMCs but compare them with Sissoko and you'll know what i'm talking about.
The fact is that we'll need at least 4 new players in the starting XI and even then you have a huge question mark. Will it work or not?
But yeah, if it can't be created in a year or two it doesn't mean that we shouldn't start the process now.
But i already said that it's tough to create a balanced team and it's especially hard to do it now with this Juve. If we started the process earlier, or if we weren't so unlucky with Andrade, Almiron and Tiago, the story might have been different.
But now we're in trouble and it will take a lot of time to do that.
Look at our defense. These guys can't keep possession at all and they can't combine with the midfielders. Chiellini and Molinaro are probably the clumsiest defenders in serie A.
Just compare the technical qualities of our defense to Cafu-Maldini-Nesta-Serginho/Stam. It's easy to keep possession when even the defenders know what to do with the ball at their feet. Our defenders just try to get rid of the ball asap.
In midfield, in order to find a perfect balance, we definitely need more talent next to Sissoko, and even that way we can't talk about keeping possession since Sissoko will also have to be included in the build-up and he'll fuck up most of the passes. Davids, Gattuso, Yaya Toure, Carrick, Keane are also DMCs but compare them with Sissoko and you'll know what i'm talking about.
The fact is that we'll need at least 4 new players in the starting XI and even then you have a huge question mark. Will it work or not?
But yeah, if it can't be created in a year or two it doesn't mean that we shouldn't start the process now.
Well, while we screwed up with a few players the summer after promotion, we still should have made the changes last summer to become more balanced, but we didn't. And unfortunately I don't see us becoming more balanced due to how Ranieri seems to perceive balance. Buying more DM's isn't adding balance.
