Claudio Ranieri (30 Viewers)

[HelterSkelter]

Exactly 10000%

+rep ben chod

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That cracked me up for no apparent reason

'Is this the real life? Or is this just fantasy?'

'Caught in a landslide,No escape from reality'

This is what Ranieri's probably singing.

'Mama,just killed a man,put a gun against his head,pulled my trigger now he's dead'

This is what a Juventus fan will sing after meeting Ranieri incase we dont qualify for the CL.

 

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[Amaurisimo]

That's besides the point.Ranieri has done a poor job at Juventus.Just dont look at the standings.Look at the manner in which the standings stand,and the manner in which we have played.

I think he has done good job, but it could be better for sure.
If we had more luck with injuries, suspensions, referees we would be better off. Problem with our team is that we hardly have 11 players, and if we miss any single of them, we are just an average team.
Of course i agree in respect to our play , it's not as it should be. There is a lot of work to do, and maybe u r right.
But i would not say that it was poor job..U get coach coach which is not the best and u asking him to deliver something as Jose, Anceloti or Mancini could do or could they!? He has done good job, i would say even very good, considering his status and players at his disposal.
Well Mancini just quit Inter, so could he be the one?

And please don't think that i'm kissing cr's ar@£, im just bit more objective than u and that is all..

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

I think he has done good job, but it could be better for sure.
If we had more luck with injuries, suspensions, referees we would be better off. Problem with our team is that we hardly have 11 players, and if we miss any single of them, we are just an average team.
Of course i agree in respect to our play , it's not as it should be. There is a lot of work to do, and maybe u r right.
But i would not say that it was poor job..U get coach coach which is not the best and u asking him to deliver something as Jose, Anceloti or Mancini could do or could they!? He has done good job, i would say even very good, considering his status and players at his disposal.
Well Mancini just quit Inter, so could he be the one?

And please don't think that i'm kissing cr's ar@£, im just bit more objective than u and that is all..

Stop smelling those Jap panties from dusk 'til dawn, chink lover. You need to realise that 1) no one respects you because you are a Ranieri lover, 2) you think ranieri was better at Chelsea than Vialli, and 3) you are a fucking retard that suffers from hydrocephaly.

Did I get your attention, or do I need to sit down so your wife can see me eye-to-eye? Yea, you hardly have 11 players....WHAT??? You have a team of 28, so if you miss one of them.....well you have 4 players to fill that position. BUT HEY! Congrats on getting The Soak, he actually is great, too bad Ranieri doesn't play the best counterpart to him: TIAGO. ...and yes, you are right, if there was help or "non-bias" from the ref's, you would be a bit better off. But then again, if that was always true, there would be cheating in the Serie A. ....but remember, IF your grandmother had balls, she'd be your grandfather. REMEMBER, IF.....idiot....IF WE PUT THE BALL IN THE NET MORE......WE'DE WIN MORE GAMES! Grow up, seriously, if you really believe what you say, go coach intramural football, fuckstick.

OHHHH, hey, we aren't biased, (after all, I don't even like Juve, which is more than you can say) we are just REALISTIC, chink lover.


28 players: http://www.skysports.com/football/team/0,19734,12961,00.html

 

[Amaurisimo]

Stop smelling those Jap panties from dusk 'til dawn, chink lover. You need to realise that 1) no one respects you because you are a Ranieri lover, 2) you think ranieri was better at Chelsea than Vialli, and 3) you are a fucking retard that suffers from hydrocephaly.

Did I get your attention, or do I need to sit down so your wife can see me eye-to-eye? Yea, you hardly have 11 players....WHAT??? You have a team of 28, so if you miss one of them.....well you have 4 players to fill that position. BUT HEY! Congrats on getting The Soak, he actually is great, too bad Ranieri doesn't play the best counterpart to him: TIAGO. ...and yes, you are right, if there was help or "non-bias" from the ref's, you would be a bit better off. But then again, if that was always true, there would be cheating in the Serie A. ....but remember, IF your grandmother had balls, she'd be your grandfather. REMEMBER, IF.....idiot....IF WE PUT THE BALL IN THE NET MORE......WE'DE WIN MORE GAMES! Grow up, seriously, if you really believe what you say, go coach intramural football, fuckstick.

OHHHH, hey, we aren't biased, (after all, I don't even like Juve, which is more than you can say) we are just REALISTIC, chink lover.


28 players: http://www.skysports.com/football/team/0,19734,12961,00.html

u can tell me anything u like even if is nonsense but please dont talk about my family.

 

[HelterSkelter]

I think he has done good job, but it could be better for sure.
If we had more luck with injuries, suspensions, referees we would be better off. Problem with our team is that we hardly have 11 players, and if we miss any single of them, we are just an average team.
Of course i agree in respect to our play , it's not as it should be. There is a lot of work to do, and maybe u r right.
But i would not say that it was poor job..U get coach coach which is not the best and u asking him to deliver something as Jose, Anceloti or Mancini could do or could they!? He has done good job, i would say even very good, considering his status and players at his disposal.
Well Mancini just quit Inter, so could he be the one?

And please don't think that i'm kissing cr's ar@£, im just bit more objective than u and that is all..

You cant do anything about the refreeing decisions.Injuries and Suspensions are a part of the game.Every team goes through it,and a good manager is someone who can deal with them.I dont agree with the fact that we only have 11 players.Even with Andrade's injury,we could have managed to put in a decent back 4.That was why Stendardo was purchased,but the last time i checked,he was rotting on the bench.The fact that Secco might have wanted Stendardo more than Ranieri is pointless here.We are missing our first choice CB,and we have a problem on the left flank.We purchase Stendardo,which gives us the chance to move Chiellni on the left flank temporarily,and move Stendardo in as the CB with Legro,but does Ranieri do that?No he doesnt,and we are left swearing at Molinari after he isnt able to cross well to save his life.

Yes our squad isnt great,but is the rest of the Serie A great?With the current level of competition in the league,we should be in a very comfortable position,but thats not the case here.This squad cannot complete for the Scudetto,but at the same time,this squad isnt poor enough to be battling to secure a CL spot.

A better coach would have done a better job.There's a reason why a great coach is called a great coach.Its because he can make the whole appear larger than the sum of all the parts.Ranieri has done that clubs with a less decorated history,but has he done it here?No.Its because he cannot handle the expectations and the pressure that a top club brings.

I dont see your point about how we have an average squad btw.We have Zanetti,who's been one of the best midfielders in Italy this season,we have he best goalkeeper in the world,we have one of the most lethal finishers in the world in Trezeguet,In Giorgio we have one of the most promising young defenders in Europe,In Camoranesi we have a winger who despite suffering from injuries,can be one of the best in the world on his day,In Legro we have a completley reborn player,we have in Tiago someone who could have done a very good job had he been utilized well..

Is this an average squad?Its not a championshop winning squad,but it certainly isnt an average squad by the current Serie A standards.

Yes,the squad has its weak points.Molinaro is a weak point,Grygera has been a weak point,Nocerino has hit a dry patch..but even these weaknesses could have been covered after the winter break.Stendardo was brought in,and he's not being used.

We have Zanetti and Nocerno.We needed a creative player.VDV says that he'd love to move here.Ranieri gives him the cold shoulder,and who does he request?

Momo Sissoko.

Wether Sissoko's been good or bad for us so far doesn matter.We didnt need him.And yet Ranieri wanted him.

Ranieri doesnt deserve Juventus.

 

[Dominic]

You cant do anything about the refreeing decisions.Injuries and Suspensions are a part of the game.Every team goes through it,and a good manager is someone who can deal with them.I dont agree with the fact that we only have 11 players.Even with Andrade's injury,we could have managed to put in a decent back 4.That was why Stendardo was purchased,but the last time i checked,he was rotting on the bench.The fact that Secco might have wanted Stendardo more than Ranieri is pointless here.We are missing our first choice CB,and we have a problem on the left flank.We purchase Stendardo,which gives us the chance to move Chiellni on the left flank temporarily,and move Stendardo in as the CB with Legro,but does Ranieri do that?No he doesnt,and we are left swearing at Molinari after he isnt able to cross well to save his life.

Stendardo is average and if we remove Chiellini from the centre, we have no defence.

And I WOULD say we barely have 11 first team players. If one of the crucial players like Camo, DP, Nedved, Buffon or like in the former example Chiellini is out we suffer terribly.

Molinaro is still our best and only option for leftback, we MIGHT have Grygera but until he starts showing those genoa performances more consistently it will remain a fluke performance and the average performances stay the rule.

Yes our squad isnt great,but is the rest of the Serie A great?With the current level of competition in the league,we should be in a very comfortable position,but thats not the case here.This squad cannot complete for the Scudetto,but at the same time,this squad isnt poor enough to be battling to secure a CL spot.

How are we not in a comfortable position? Squadwise, Inter and Roma are clearly ahead of us, so it makes only sense they are ahead of us. If we had some more luck with some of the bad calls made against us and some less injuries and suspensions to our best players at terrible times, we could've been ahead of them even(at least ahead of Roma, who we even beat !). Milan's squad is superiour as well and Fiorentina is at least equal to us, yet we are still above them in the league table. In the end third is third, even if the point difference to fourth place is 10 points or 1 point.

We are the best of the rest and our position in the league table shows that. So either you can't read the league table or you just don't want to read it.

A better coach would have done a better job.There's a reason why a great coach is called a great coach.Its because he can make the whole appear larger than the sum of all the parts.Ranieri has done that clubs with a less decorated history,but has he done it here?No.Its because he cannot handle the expectations and the pressure that a top club brings.

A better coach, might've done a better job. Yet in the summer, was there one available? I would've preffered DD too, but didn't he quit? Is he better anyway?
This can't be proven, so you made a mute point anyway.

Before the season started expectations were low actually, many thought we couldn't even make top 4 so in all fairness expectations were exceeded. Yes we are a top club that always wants the best, but we are in a unique situation here.
I concede Ranieri's uefa cup comment wasn't called for, but that is where most of us expected us to be at the start of the season.

I dont see your point about how we have an average squad btw.We have Zanetti,who's been one of the best midfielders in Italy this season,we have he best goalkeeper in the world,we have one of the most lethal finishers in the world in Trezeguet,In Giorgio we have one of the most promising young defenders in Europe,In Camoranesi we have a winger who despite suffering from injuries,can be one of the best in the world on his day,In Legro we have a completley reborn player,we have in Tiago someone who could have done a very good job had he been utilized well..

Is this an average squad?Its not a championshop winning squad,but it certainly isnt an average squad by the current Serie A standards.

This brings us back to the point of barely having 11 players. Zanetti has gotten injured now and we have no guaranteed quality to cover for him. Without Giorgio we have no defence, without Camo barely a midfield(and no right side certainly).
A squad that can't cover for even one of these crucial absentees and has only some good players to complement them anyway and thus has little quality and little quantity IS what i'd call a pretty average squad(for a 'top' club).

Yes,the squad has its weak points.Molinaro is a weak point,Grygera has been a weak point,Nocerino has hit a dry patch..but even these weaknesses could have been covered after the winter break.Stendardo was brought in,and he's not being used.

Yes the Stendardo purchase made little sense, but it has little to do with Ranieri anyway. He was bought as an emergency sub, and i'm glad we haven't had that big of an emergency yet.

All of these weak points you mentioned are defensive players, so much weakness in defence makes our squad a whole lot more average, does it not?

We have Zanetti and Nocerno.We needed a creative player.VDV says that he'd love to move here.Ranieri gives him the cold shoulder,and who does he request?

Momo Sissoko.

Hah! Don't insult your own intelligence here and be a little realistic, you should know that getting Van der Vaart mid-season is totally unrealistic.

Wether Sissoko's been good or bad for us so far doesn matter.We didnt need him.And yet Ranieri wanted him.

Yes it does. You've just said yourself Nocerino hit a dry patch and we just lost Zanetti. How would we have balanced our midfield without Sissoko now? I wasn't pro his signing either, but it turned out well and it turned out we did need him. So a signing with good foresight really.

Ranieri doesnt deserve Juventus.

Let it be clear, i'm not a Ranieri fan. Yet if you want him gone, you should really make a stronger case, Salman..

 

[vimo]

+rep dominic.
I'd wonder how many of you would have signed if someone told you we'd be 3rd at this point. No one expected this. We don't play nice, we don't win 5-0, we don't bash our opponents, yet we are 3rd. And that's what it comes to in the end. At the end of the season, the 4 first teams get to play CL, not the one with the best coach, or the one who plays the best football.

 

[HelterSkelter]

Stendardo is average and if we remove Chiellini from the centre, we have no defence.

And I WOULD say we barely have 11 first team players. If one of the crucial players like Camo, DP, Nedved, Buffon or like in the former example Chiellini is out we suffer terribly.

Molinaro is still our best and only option for leftback, we MIGHT have Grygera but until he starts showing those genoa performances more consistently it will remain a fluke performance and the average performances stay the rule.



How are we not in a comfortable position? Squadwise, Inter and Roma are clearly ahead of us, so it makes only sense they are ahead of us. If we had some more luck with some of the bad calls made against us and some less injuries and suspensions to our best players at terrible times, we could've been ahead of them even(at least ahead of Roma, who we even beat !). Milan's squad is superiour as well and Fiorentina is at least equal to us, yet we are still above them in the league table. In the end third is third, even if the point difference to fourth place is 10 points or 1 point.

We are the best of the rest and our position in the league table shows that. So either you can't read the league table or you just don't want to read it.




A better coach, might've done a better job. Yet in the summer, was there one available? I would've preffered DD too, but didn't he quit? Is he better anyway?
This can't be proven, so you made a mute point anyway.

Before the season started expectations were low actually, many thought we couldn't even make top 4 so in all fairness expectations were exceeded. Yes we are a top club that always wants the best, but we are in a unique situation here.
I concede Ranieri's uefa cup comment wasn't called for, but that is where most of us expected us to be at the start of the season.



This brings us back to the point of barely having 11 players. Zanetti has gotten injured now and we have no guaranteed quality to cover for him. Without Giorgio we have no defence, without Camo barely a midfield(and no right side certainly).
A squad that can't cover for even one of these crucial absentees and has only some good players to complement them anyway and thus has little quality and little quantity IS what i'd call a pretty average squad(for a 'top' club).




Yes the Stendardo purchase made little sense, but it has little to do with Ranieri anyway. He was bought as an emergency sub, and i'm glad we haven't had that big of an emergency yet.

All of these weak points you mentioned are defensive players, so much weakness in defence makes our squad a whole lot more average, does it not?



Hah! Don't insult your own intelligence here and be a little realistic, you should know that getting Van der Vaart mid-season is totally unrealistic.



Yes it does. You've just said yourself Nocerino hit a dry patch and we just lost Zanetti. How would we have balanced our midfield without Sissoko now? I wasn't pro his signing either, but it turned out well and it turned out we did need him. So a signing with good foresight really.



Let it be clear, i'm not a Ranieri fan. Yet if you want him gone, you should really make a stronger case, Salman..

Stendardo may be average,but Zebina-Legro-Stendardo-Giorgio is better than Zebina-Legro-Giorgio-Molinaro.We have Zanetti in the center of midfield,who can give the central defenders some defensive cution.The left flank on the other hand,incase Nedved has an off game,would be left completley exposed with somelike Molinaro there.We wouldnt have any defensive stability on the left side,nor would we have any attacking bite.

How can you call this a comfortable position?Is there not a distance between winning a title with a 10 point gap or with a 1 point gap?Is there not a difference in being 3rd with a 10 point gap over the 4th and th places teams instead of a 1 or 2 point gap?Is there not a difference in being 10 points away from the relegation zone and being 1 point away from the relegation zone?All the former cases here are comfortable positions.The latter ones arent comfortable.Sure,the gap between us and Milan,Fiorentina isnt down to 1 point,but a few bad games by us,and few good games by them,and we'd be 5th.These things dont happen when you're in a comfortable,or a safe position.We arent in such a position by any stretch of the imagiation. dont see how you can call being on the edge of falling out of the top 4 a comfortable position.
Im hoping that you understood that when i spoke about a comfortable position,i was reffering to the 'Qualifying for CL' issue and nothing else.If you're going to look at in a broader team,then anyone who's in the top 10 is in a comfortable position.I

A better coach would have done a better job,yes,and i never said we should have signed somene else in the summer.I supported Ranieri's appointment initially,but ive come to regret it over the course of the season.I expected a UEFA cup spot too,but we made a good start to the season.Then you heard Ranieri's targets about the Scudetto and the 2nd spot..and now finally..its come down to the UEFA cup.That makes a fan fume,dont you think?When you start off well,and then you end up in a position where you arent guaranteed what you were promised by someone initially is something that does,and SHOULD make people angry.

Yes the weakpoints are in defence,but even those could have been covered up after the winterbreak.And they arent being covered.I dont see how Ranieri can be exempt from the blame here.

I didnt expect VDV to come in January by any means.No one expected that.But that does not mean that we shoudl have signed a player that we didnt need.You talk about hindsight,shouldnt he have asked for a LB instead?Why didnt he press for a LB instead of Sissoko?Our LB situation is more fragile than our sitaution in the centre of midfield.Molinaro is a more worrying case than Nocerino,therefore we should have signed a left back instead.Nocerino has atleast shown that he has talent,Molianaro on the other hand is simply not good enough.We signed a central defender,Ok,that wasnt too shabby,because even that would have solved our back 4 dilemme temporarily as ive mentioned above.Plus,saying no to VDV was stupid on his part.VDV wanted to move to Spain initially,and then he made those pro-Juve comments..what else do you expect VDV to do when Ranieri turns him down?He'd obviously say he wants to move elsewhere now.Ranieri's comments in effect,have pushes VDV away from us,unless we have a backdoor agreement with VDV.I dont think that's the case here.

Ranieri cant handle the media,his promises have become smaller and smaller as the season has moved forward,Im not a fan of Tiago,but even you have to admit that he could have done a good job for us had Ranieri given him more chances,he ended up signing a player that we didnt need,and ignored a more critical issue..

Im not talking about the current season alone.But is Ranieri the man to bring you back on top again?Hell no.If we qualify for the CL,and we get better players,would you expect better results if Ranieri stayed at the helm for a few more season?I certainly wouldnt.A Capello or a Mourinho would atleast grind out results for the better.Atleasy we wont hang on the edge of CL qualificiation with them in charge.Give them better players,and we'd probably make it to the top 2.With Ranieri,i dont see that happening,even if he's given better players.

Ranieri,is NOT a winner.

 

[Dominic]

Stendardo may be average,but Zebina-Legro-Stendardo-Giorgio is better than Zebina-Legro-Giorgio-Molinaro.We have Zanetti in the center of midfield,who can give the central defenders some defensive cution.The left flank on the other hand,incase Nedved has an off game,would be left completley exposed with somelike Molinaro there.We wouldnt have any defensive stability on the left side,nor would we have any attacking bite.

That is simply not true. Whenever Chiellini did not play in the middle we conceded tons of goals and the defence looked like a mess. Just compare the two most recent games, the defence against Genoa WITH Chiellini in the middle looked solid, while the defence against Fiorentina WITHOUT Chiellini was just depressing. With Ranieri opting even Grygera over Stendardo in the middle, also tells me a lot about Stendardo's quality.
Whenever the Zebina-Legro-Giorgio-Molinaro played we conceded little to no goals, that's the only time the defence looked solid this season. Take one of out this equation and it looked terrible, with Giorgio obviously being the biggest miss.

Whoever we have in the centre of the defence has little bearing on Zanetti's role, to be frank. Also it says something when we have to rely on Zanetti to cover for for the centre of the defence if you move Chiellini to the left.

Molinaro usually DOES have good defensive games, it's his crossing that makes his offensive game poor. So I would not call our DEFENCE fragile, when he's on the left. His only poor defensive game was against Fiorentina(the only time he did get a good cross ironically), where Chiellini was missing from the centre.

I often find it the case that Nedved leaves Molinaro isolated and exposed. Nedved cuts in, goes to the middle or enter's the other team's box and leaves Molinaro all alone on the left.

How can you call this a comfortable position?Is there not a distance between winning a title with a 10 point gap or with a 1 point gap?Is there not a difference in being 3rd with a 10 point gap over the 4th and th places teams instead of a 1 or 2 point gap?Is there not a difference in being 10 points away from the relegation zone and being 1 point away from the relegation zone?

Come end of the season... 'no, there is not a difference' to all questions.

All the former cases here are comfortable positions.The latter ones arent comfortable.Sure,the gap between us and Milan,Fiorentina isnt down to 1 point,but a few bad games by us,and few good games by them,and we'd be 5th.These things dont happen when you're in a comfortable,or a safe position.We arent in such a position by any stretch of the imagiation. dont see how you can call being on the edge of falling out of the top 4 a comfortable position.
Im hoping that you understood that when i spoke about a comfortable position,i was reffering to the 'Qualifying for CL' issue and nothing else.If you're going to look at in a broader team,then anyone who's in the top 10 is in a comfortable position.I

That makes 'comfortable' a semantics issue. You have way too many if's, what if we get a great run and fiorentina and milan start dropping points like crazy? Fact is we are now 4 points and 5 points ahead of Milan and they need to catch us, not the other way around. They are the ones that can't afford to lose any points, we still have some room for error left, hence we are still comfortably in the CL zone.

A better coach would have done a better job,yes,and i never said we should have signed somene else in the summer.I supported Ranieri's appointment initially,but ive come to regret it over the course of the season.I expected a UEFA cup spot too,but we made a good start to the season.Then you heard Ranieri's targets about the Scudetto and the 2nd spot..and now finally..its come down to the UEFA cup.That makes a fan fume,dont you think?When you start off well,and then you end up in a position where you arent guaranteed what you were promised by someone initially is something that does,and SHOULD make people angry.

You make the same mute point again. You can never know wether or not another coach would've done better this season. It makes it even more mute and rather contradictory if you argue that we should not have appointed someone else initially.

No offence, but the rest is just gibberish.. You concede that Ranieri has performed beyond expectations, yet you hold it against him?

Yes the weakpoints are in defence,but even those could have been covered up after the winterbreak.And they arent being covered.I dont see how Ranieri can be exempt from the blame here.

Ranieri isn't entirely excempt from blame here perhaps, but I reckon Ranieri has little to no saying on the club's transfer dealings. Remember, that is what made Deschamps leave. Ranieri did manage to fix the early season defensive problems by MOVING CHIELLINI TO THE MIDDLE.

I didnt expect VDV to come in January by any means.No one expected that.But that does not mean that we shoudl have signed a player that we didnt need.You talk about hindsight,shouldnt he have asked for a LB instead?Why didnt he press for a LB instead of Sissoko?Our LB situation is more fragile than our sitaution in the centre of midfield.Molinaro is a more worrying case than Nocerino,therefore we should have signed a left back instead.Nocerino has atleast shown that he has talent,Molianaro on the other hand is simply not good enough.We signed a central defender,Ok,that wasnt too shabby,because even that would have solved our back 4 dilemme temporarily as ive mentioned above.Plus,saying no to VDV was stupid on his part.VDV wanted to move to Spain initially,and then he made those pro-Juve comments..what else do you expect VDV to do when Ranieri turns him down?He'd obviously say he wants to move elsewhere now.Ranieri's comments in effect,have pushes VDV away from us,unless we have a backdoor agreement with VDV.I dont think that's the case here.

I'd say the centre midfield position is a much more vulnerable and important position than the leftback position in any team. So if there are problems is both area's, the central midfield has priority. Also, as I said before I think Ranieri has barely any influence on who the board sign. And also Molinaro has put in some decent defensive performances, he isn't THAT fragile. It's more of a bias case against Molinaro on this forum. Even if it was that fragile, Ranieri has no other leftback and for the third time he doesn't sign players.

You bring up the VDV case again, while at the same time you say you didn't expect him to come anyway. He would never have come to Juve in January, even if Ranieri says he wants him or even if Secco tried. VdV was always going to stay with Hamburg till the summer. You may bring this point up again, at the end of the summer. We'll see then who we've got in VdV's position.

Ranieri cant handle the media,his promises have become smaller and smaller as the season has moved forward,Im not a fan of Tiago,but even you have to admit that he could have done a good job for us had Ranieri given him more chances,he ended up signing a player that we didnt need,and ignored a more critical issue..

Im not talking about the current season alone.But is Ranieri the man to bring you back on top again?Hell no.If we qualify for the CL,and we get better players,would you expect better results if Ranieri stayed at the helm for a few more season?I certainly wouldnt.A Capello or a Mourinho would atleast grind out results for the better.Atleasy we wont hang on the edge of CL qualificiation with them in charge.

Ranieri talks too much I give you that and he has made some dodgy decisions. Looking at the results, standing and overall work the critisism he's receaving is way too harsh. I wasn't a fan of bringing in Ranieri in the first place, but with this material he's done a good job and with better players we'd get better results.. obviously.

 

[Marc]

Salman, I think you just got owned by Dominic.

 

[HelterSkelter]

That is simply not true. Whenever Chiellini did not play in the middle we conceded tons of goals and the defence looked like a mess. Just compare the two most recent games, the defence against Genoa WITH Chiellini in the middle looked solid, while the defence against Fiorentina WITHOUT Chiellini was just depressing. With Ranieri opting even Grygera over Stendardo in the middle, also tells me a lot about Stendardo's quality.
Whenever the Zebina-Legro-Giorgio-Molinaro played we conceded little to no goals, that's the only time the defence looked solid this season. Take one of out this equation and it looked terrible, with Giorgio obviously being the biggest miss.

Whoever we have in the centre of the defence has little bearing on Zanetti's role, to be frank. Also it says something when we have to rely on Zanetti to cover for for the centre of the defence if you move Chiellini to the left.

Molinaro usually DOES have good defensive games, it's his crossing that makes his offensive game poor. So I would not call our DEFENCE fragile, when he's on the left. His only poor defensive game was against Fiorentina(the only time he did get a good cross ironically), where Chiellini was missing from the centre.

I often find it the case that Nedved leaves Molinaro isolated and exposed. Nedved cuts in, goes to the middle or enter's the other team's box and leaves Molinaro all alone on the left.





Come end of the season... 'no, there is not a difference' to all questions.



That makes 'comfortable' a semantics issue. You have way too many if's, what if we get a great run and fiorentina and milan start dropping points like crazy? Fact is we are now 4 points and 5 points ahead of Milan and they need to catch us, not the other way around. They are the ones that can't afford to lose any points, we still have some room for error left, hence we are still comfortably in the CL zone.




You make the same mute point again. You can never know wether or not another coach would've done better this season. It makes it even more mute and rather contradictory if you argue that we should not have appointed someone else initially.

No offence, but the rest is just gibberish.. You concede that Ranieri has performed beyond expectations, yet you hold it against him?



Ranieri isn't entirely excempt from blame here perhaps, but I reckon Ranieri has little to no saying on the club's transfer dealings. Remember, that is what made Deschamps leave. Ranieri did manage to fix the early season defensive problems by MOVING CHIELLINI TO THE MIDDLE.



I'd say the centre midfield position is a much more vulnerable and important position than the leftback position in any team. So if there are problems is both area's, the central midfield has priority. Also, as I said before I think Ranieri has barely any influence on who the board sign. And also Molinaro has put in some decent defensive performances, he isn't THAT fragile. It's more of a bias case against Molinaro on this forum. Even if it was that fragile, Ranieri has no other leftback and for the third time he doesn't sign players.

You bring up the VDV case again, while at the same time you say you didn't expect him to come anyway. He would never have come to Juve in January, even if Ranieri says he wants him or even if Secco tried. VdV was always going to stay with Hamburg till the summer. You may bring this point up again, at the end of the summer. We'll see then who we've got in VdV's position.





Ranieri talks too much I give you that and he has made some dodgy decisions. Looking at the results, standing and overall work the critisism he's receaving is way too harsh. I wasn't a fan of bringing in Ranieri in the first place, but with this material he's done a good job and with better players we'd get better results.. obviously.

No one's talking about moving Giorgio out of the back 4.Im talking about the change of positions.Until the Genoa game,we never knew if Grygera could do a good job as a LB.Personally,i still think it was a fluke performance by him and he wont repeat it again,but i hope im proved wrong.Just like we never knew how Grygera would play as a LB,we cant say say that Stendardo would be poor in the center.The left side is a crucial positiion,not as crucial as the center obviously,but its still important,but so is every other position.So why can never now how good/bad Stendardo will be until he's given a proper chance.This isnt a case of 'why fix it when it isnt broken'.This is a case of 'Its broken,lets fix it'.

You're entitled to your opinion,but i dont agree with the Molinaro argument.He's a poor player,and the crap he gets on these forums is deserved.His defensive game is better than his offensive game,but that isnt saying much.Overall,he's a poor player and we could certainly do much better than him.

The point i made about Zanetti was because even if Stendardo isnt as good as Girogio,which im sure he isnt,we'd have Zanetti to give him some breathing space.As far as im concerned,currently our weakest link is the left side..Id come back to the Stendardo-Giorgio swap over and over again because it seems like a good solution to me,but we dont agree on this point obviously.

'Come the end of the season'..thats the keypoint.You are assuming that we will stay in the top 4.I think that'll happen too,but this argument will fall flat if we end 5th.

Again,i dont agree with your 'Comfortable CL spot' argument.Ive explained it in my earlier post.As far as im concerned,we are still in a nervous situation.We are far from being secure and comfortable.

Ofcourse we can know if another coach would have done a better job.There's a reason why some coaches are considered better than the others.Its because of their man managment skills.By this logic,we could put Van Strattan in for Buffon because 'we can never know if he's actaully poorer than Buffon'.No?Different players have different skills.Different managers have different skills.A good and proven manager will have a much better chance of doing a good job than a poor manager.Capello,Mourinho etc are proven managers.Im not saying that we shoudl have signed them in the summer,but Ranieri should be given the boot at the end of the season to make room for a better manager.

Yes i said i didnt expect VDV to come in January.I dont exactly get what you were trying to say here though.

Anyway,i dont rule out the possibilty of my judgement being biased here.But even if thats the case,is Ranieri a winner?No he isnt.Id rather have a winner incharge of this club than someone like Ranieri,who btw wasnt our first choice to begin with.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Ranieri should be given the boot at the end of the season to make room for a better manager.

Da!

 

[-=DJANGO=-]

Dominic - I cannot agree with you.
1st - What is that with Sissoko being our good choice? He was being needed?
WTF. We had both Almiron and Tiago on the bench. We could not even sell them. We crashed their mental state and doomed them to be mediocre at best, while at the same time we performed less than mediocle on the pitch.
Nooo we cannot allow to get 30% of our points with goals in the last 10 minutes or so. This is in no means anything else than old-foxes experience and PURE LUCK. Not if you tell me that any of these qualities come from RANIERI I would be ROFL.
Ranieri had one good game - tactical wise. That is that. I still believe that both Almiron and Tiago would have performed times better if arranged correctly. And the next huge lie is that we don't have the squad.
WHAT?
Does Roma has a better squad? Does Inter indeed has a better squad? I don't think so. At least not in the distance of 10 points or more.
Mancini is no way a better coach and the Liverpool game prooved that times again. If we had someone with the right mentality here we would have blasted them in the cup and ditched them in the Seria A clash - with the same players we've got.
Yo you all bragging about Molinaro being bad defender - well Zambrotta wasn't the best either, nor was Cannavaro - look what they've become. Look at Materazzi - he was BAAAAAAAD, but when he went to the world cup a word of winsdom made him simply stunning.
The coach is sometimes more important than the players themselves. Look what they did with Greece in the last Euro cup - do greece have a lot of stars? Can you honestly tell me that the difference between Greece and Italy is the same as between us and Inter? Look what the stupid brits did on their qualification - maybe they did not have the squad as well.
How many times have you seen Ranieri actually wins something? I haven't. And that is the case here - he does good what he is good at keeping the squad at mediocre level of performance - as that is exactly what we've seen from Juve. Some Ok games, 1-2 good games, mostly average games, and some really horrible performances. And we are normally at the 3rd position. Who are we fooling, both DD and Ranieri are shit. DD was claiming to be hard to win in Seria B with team full of WC winners? Maybe we should believe that as well.
We do not have a bad squad - we are 2-3 signatures away from having a dream team - yes there will be a difference, but by no means we should have been out of the title race so soon. Fiorentina, Inter, Roma, Milan - all of them had quite a lot more games than us, yet we did not even do one friendly - how is it we get tired and miss players?
By now the squad should have been ensembled at its best, all players should have shined - because he had all the time in the world to do that. He did nothing - except 'thinking' we could be fighting for UEFA cup or that we could have been worse. Da, we could if we were Parma or Valencia. Why he was released from Chelsea? Their history and expectations should be nothing compared to ours.
MR. RANIERI SHOULD PACK THE BAGS THIS YEAR. AND IF HE THINKS THAT INTER IS SOOOO GOOD THAT IT IS NORMAL WE ARE 10 POINTS BEHIND - HE HAVE THE oPTION TO GO THERE AS WELL NOw. IF SB IS CRAZY ENOUGH TO TAKE HIM.

 

[Franky4Fingers]

not much when Ranieri was introduced as our new coach

i predicted us finishing somewhere between 5th-7th in the table. its still a possibility.

Before we kicked a ball,i expected something around 6th or 7th.

Looking at your initial expectations, aren't we doing great now?
If the same results came only in a different order, as in more equally spread out thrue the season (not having such a god start and now not having such a bad streak), would you be more satisfied?

 

[Franky4Fingers]

MR. RANIERI SHOULD PACK THE BAGS THIS YEAR. AND IF HE THINKS THAT INTER IS SOOOO GOOD THAT IT IS NORMAL WE ARE 10 POINTS BEHIND - HE HAVE THE oPTION TO GO THERE AS WELL NOw. IF SB IS CRAZY ENOUGH TO TAKE HIM.

Well, actually it isn't normal for a team coming from Serie B to be in a CL position.

For Inter to be 10 points ahead of us in our current situation is nothing but expected.


And you are comparing cup football to league footbal, which are 2 things that cannot be compared.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Looking at your initial expectations, aren't we doing great now?
If the same results came only in a different order, as in more equally spread out thrue the season (not having such a god start and now not having such a bad streak), would you be more satisfied?

It`s not everything in position.We don`t have good formation nor tactics with Ranieri.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Well, actually it isn't normal for a team coming from Serie B to be in a CL position.

For Inter to be 10 points ahead of us in our current situation is nothing but expected.


And you are comparing cup football to league footbal, which are 2 things that cannot be compared.

But we are Juventus not Chievo btw.

Even if we were in Serbie B we still have good and world class players.

 

[Franky4Fingers]

It`s not everything in position.We don`t have good formation nor tactics with Ranieri.

I'm not saying Ranieri is the best thing that could've happened for us. But for this year, I'm happy with qualifying for CL. And his tactics and formations are doing just that.

Next year we can be fighting for the scudetto again, It was never in our reach this campaign.
People here are starting to look like Dutch people more and more these days. What happened to the good old days when results where are all that mattered?

 

[Franky4Fingers]

But we are Juventus not Chievo btw.

Even if we were in Serie B we still have good and world class players.

So that means it's normal to be fighting for a cl spot after a year in B?
60% of our best players left us. There are atleast 4 teams in serie A which have the same or more potential on paper then us.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

u can tell me anything u like even if is nonsense but please dont talk about my family.

I will say whatever I like, whenever I like, however I like.

So.......soap it.