Claudio Ranieri (32 Viewers)

vimo

Senior Member
Apr 1, 2006
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I'm glad that people start to recognize that CR does very well atm, and that it's not only lampard screaming for posts with a bit of intelligence.
Everything is very easy; our aim before the season started was UEFA-Cup. Now, NO ONE could say how strong we were before the first game. If we struggled somewhere around place 10, because of a delpiero-injury for example, or something else, no one could have really said anything. We are juventus, and we're bound to win; half of our squad was pretty competitive (regarding roma, fiorentina,...) so our goal was set to UEFA-Cup. Now the first games went pretty well. We were hypermotivated and were alongside inter in a top-position. Now it's clear that the media is talking BS like "Juve for scudetto" and such, and maybe it's here where the first mistake was made; the more the media asked, the more CR & the players (!!) were talking about the scudetto, the CL and all. (I remember 3 or 4 days in gazzetta, in which every day someone else stated something like "2nd place for juve? I wouldn't bet on that" said by del piero, trez, and CR) This might have been wrong but no matter what CR & co would have answered, it would have been wrong. If they had said something like "our goal remains UEFA cup, no matter our current position" then everyone would have said how ridiculous CR is and so on.
What i want to say is that all the hating against CR is all about the media. Let that man do his job, because he does it well!

And i agree completely with lampard for all those moggi-lovers. I said it once and i'll say it again; if someone says: "Bring back moggi" then he is completely blind to what was going recently; hello? that superidol moggi destroyed juve! He destroyed our team, he destroyed our scudettos, he destroyed part of our history, he destroyed the reputation of serie-a, and, most importantly, he destroyed our reputation. I don't know if you guys recognize this, but juve's reputation in the world is horrible. It's no use denying it, if it weren't for moggi, we'd be playing CL, would deal with players like aguero instead of molinaro, and it would all be very different. So please, Moggi can go to hell if it were for me!

As for Secco, it's the same. He get's the blame for everthing but imo he didn't do that much wrong. I think he made the best he could do in his first season in this positon of a club like juve. I wonder how many players we could have got (financially speaking) but just didn't want to come because of what happened in calciopoli. So it would be moggi to blame, not secco. Plus, he signed Sissoko, man of the match 3 or 4 times already. those 11 mio already made their impact. One of the best signings in serie a this year imo.

So what more do you want. You want mourinho to eat up the wage of two del pieros, and with a shopping list of 150mio€ so that we end up like inter or real madrid where you can count the number of italian players on one hand?

You're all saying that CR is not a winner. Well, currently, you can't be a winner without a competitive team, and he never had that... The coach can be a magician, but if you don't have 11 good players on that pitch, to make the game, you won't win anything. I don't want to bash mourinho now, because i rate him pretty high, but look at the squad he had at chelsea; He had like unlimited funds to buy whatever he wanted, and he did so, yet he didn't win CL.

And Lampard was right also about lippi, he let us down. This, to me, would be a reason not to call him back anymore... CR took responsability, and he took it without being paid a shitload of money. I actually think he did it partly out of affection towards our team (i may be wrong about this one), and i think he deserves A LOT of credit for what he's done, and for what he did.

I'm tired of reading BS about him and Agon is right; if we win, it's the players, if we loose, it's CR who screwed up. We won against the current serie-a champions, we won against roma, there is milan coming up, and i see chances we will win there too. The wins against the smaller teams will come, be assured. We don't need a miracle to win against the likes of empoli next season. A little more depth in our squad, one or 2 players who can make the difference, and we'll be on top there, fighting for the scudetto, i'm pretty sure of that. Hell, with a little more luck, we could be there this season already, so what more do you want!

Come on CR! Keep winning
 

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Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,008
Very funny how some new people come out of the woodwork to defend Ranieri. Where was this support before we beat Inter?

I mean, have an opinion and stick to it. Grow a pair.

Ranieri's mistakes throughout the season outweigh his good decisions. Until he stops making inane errors both at the start of the match and during the match, I will not support him. Still needs to go sooner or later.
 

Salvo

J
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Dec 17, 2007
62,797
Very funny how some new people come out of the woodwork to defend Ranieri. Where was this support before we beat Inter?

I mean, have an opinion and stick to it. Grow a pair.

Ranieri's mistakes throughout the season outweigh his plaudits. Until he stops making inane errors both at the start of the match and during the match, I will not support him. Still needs to go sooner or later.
:agree:

for me the game against inter was well coached. but he needs to be consistent, he needs to beat the smaller teams also.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,008
Actually, the statement by vimo I quoted might not be the dumbest thing I've ever heard, but probably the dumbest thing I'll hear all week. Probably.

But then again, I did see some pretty inane things being posted in the who should play for the Azzurri thread.
 

Salvo

J
Moderator
Dec 17, 2007
62,797
Actually, the statement by vimo I quoted might not be the dumbest thing I've ever heard, but probably the dumbest thing I'll hear all week. Probably.

But then again, I did see some pretty inane things being posted in the who should play for the Azzurri thread.
:lol:
 

Dostoevsky

Tzu
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May 27, 2007
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He was very good against Inter but that can`t change the thing that he screwed us much more.Yeah,he can stay but when season finishes...he`s free to go.

Btw that shit "We wanted UEFA cup not CL" is probably just to protect coach and to stop fans bashing him.I don`t say it because I don`t like him.I really don`t believer we were after UEFA spot.
 
Jun 13, 2007
7,233
What bothers me is that people in this forum are either criticising Ranieri no matter what , or they are defending him no matter what . The guy has done mistakes throughout this season , you would have to be blind not to see that . He has also made some good decisions which proved to be vital for us in the big games .

It's not right to call the guy an incompetent fluke , and it's not right to call the guy a tactical genius . He's just a regular coach that has had his ups and downs with Juve . Do I think he should be our coach next year ? No , he obviously has too many flaws to coach in the CL but I do think he is the right man to lead Juve to champions league spot .
 

Dostoevsky

Tzu
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May 27, 2007
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Ranieri pleased with progress

Claudio Ranieri has expressed his satisfaction with the way his Juventus side is coming together, but he has called for patience.

The Old Lady are almost guaranteed to secure Champions League football for next term and are on a high after slaying Inter in last weekend’s Derby d’Italia.

Despite his superb success this season, Ranieri has had to weather some criticism and there have been suggestions that he could be replaced in the summer, but he is calm and proud of the path his team are following.

“Saturday’s game against Inter showed everyone who we are and that we aren’t looking for excuses,” the former Parma boss told Sky Sport Italia.

“We have faults, but we are working so that we show them as little as possible.

“This first year has been like building a house and I would say that it is going well.

“Now we need to achieve consistency. This Sunday we are expecting a very difficult game against Parma and then we have to go to Palermo.

“There are no easy games, but the win over Inter has given us a new enthusiasm

“The team have grown so much since the start of the campaign and they believe in themselves.

“We have to always give 110 per cent to get the results unlike other big sides, who can sometimes get results with the slightest effort. It’s all about perseverance.”

As well as Juve’s international stars being absent, the injured duo of Marco Marchionni and Jonathan Zebina were in the gym instead of on the pitch due to injuries.

Midfielder Cristiano Zanetti has returned to training after picking up an injury in the game against Genoa.

channel 4
 

juventus1897

Senior Member
Sep 19, 2006
618
Finally people recognize the fine work CR has been doing, just as vimo said.

People are quick to criticize him, especially after games like the one against Empoli. But they fail to realize that every juve squad has had bad games, this was true during the great Lippi era as well.

The truth is simply that CR is working on a 3 year project at least. You cannot expect the team to be back on top so fast, noone could've achieved that. It is realistic to say that Juve could be back to the old self in 3 years and seeing the progress so far you'd have to be very satisfied.

They predicted a mid-table position for us during pre-season, look where we are now. Yes we have some problems to work at (defense mainly imo), but thats to be expected with a squad that has changed so radically over the last 2 years.

The same can be said about the board (which was been heavily cirticized as well). I don't think we would be anywhere without the help of our champions, who looked set to leave numerous times during the last 2 years, yet our board managed to keep them. Kudos.

If we change our management, especially if we sack CR, we will throw away all the progress we've made so far.
 

only-juve

Senior Member
Jan 5, 2008
7,451
Finally people recognize the fine work CR has been doing, just as vimo said.

People are quick to criticize him, especially after games like the one against Empoli. But they fail to realize that every juve squad has had bad games, this was true during the great Lippi era as well.

The truth is simply that CR is working on a 3 year project at least. You cannot expect the team to be back on top so fast, noone could've achieved that. It is realistic to say that Juve could be back to the old self in 3 years and seeing the progress so far you'd have to be very satisfied.

They predicted a mid-table position for us during pre-season, look where we are now. Yes we have some problems to work at (defense mainly imo), but thats to be expected with a squad that has changed so radically over the last 2 years.

The same can be said about the board (which was been heavily cirticized as well). I don't think we would be anywhere without the help of our champions, who looked set to leave numerous times during the last 2 years, yet our board managed to keep them. Kudos.

If we change our management, especially if we sack CR, we will throw away all the progress we've made so far.
IMO ranieri did a good job in organizing our defence, I'd give him credit for that. But on the offence our team is cluless!! Overall ranieri did a pretty decent job IMO but nothing more........
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,008
Too bad Ranieri is a proven loser. Until he actually wins something, and actually makes sense on the pitch, I cannot support him as manager.

The fact that he toyed around with the same formation that were utter garbage a couple weeks prior to the Inter match was a gamble, but thankfully it did not cost us.
 

Salvo

J
Moderator
Dec 17, 2007
62,797
Too bad Ranieri is a proven loser. Until he actually wins something, and actually makes sense on the pitch, I cannot support him as manager.

The fact that he toyed around with the same formation that were utter garbage a couple weeks prior to the Inter match was a gamble, but thankfully it did not cost us.
:agree:
 

dao_nq

Junior Member
Feb 6, 2008
325
First, I really don't like him. However, I once thought he may be a good coach. But then I changed my mind quickly. I'm not irrational and I don't have antipathy with him. There are two things I hate about him:

1. He talks to much (media) with no sense of so-called "winning spirit". (self-satisfied with the results...moan too much)
2. His failed matches outnumber his successful matches and he also makes many silly mistakes (keep using Nocerino).

You can argue with me that everybody makes mistakes but the fact is Juve can't be like that. At least, we must get points against small teams, that's crucial.

Now, this is the main point: he does not keep his words. Early in this season, he said "we can win scudetto and I'll try to do this". But later, now, he just simply forgets it.

So, are we clear?
 

Salvo

J
Moderator
Dec 17, 2007
62,797
First, I really don't like him. However, I once thought he may be a good coach. But then I changed my mind quickly. I'm not irrational and I don't have antipathy with him. There are two things I hate about him:

1. He talks to much (media) with no sense of so-called "winning spirit". (self-satisfied with the results...moan too much)
2. His failed matches outnumber his successful matches and he also makes many silly mistakes (keep using Nocerino).

You can argue with me that everybody makes mistakes but the fact is Juve can't be like that. At least, we must get points against small teams, that's crucial.

Now, this is the main point: he does not keep his words. Early in this season, he said "we can win scudetto and I'll try to do this". But later, now, he just simply forgets it.

So, are we clear?
i agree with every with every word. good post
 

Tifoso

Sempre e solo Juve
Aug 12, 2005
5,162
The problem is, name another coach (besides Lippi, maybe) that is better and available.

You have to remember that even our own dirigenza was aiming for only a UEFA Cup draw; so in this manner, Ranieri has actually far exceeded expectations. Without Inter's gifts, we would probably be second (and possibly even 1st).

Again, serious question: what is the highest on the Serie A table that a team has finished in their 1st year of promotion from B?
 

Salvo

J
Moderator
Dec 17, 2007
62,797
2nd i think it was vicenza and it has no point comparing juve to them. since when has a team with the quality juve had last season been demoted?
 

only-juve

Senior Member
Jan 5, 2008
7,451
The problem is, name another coach (besides Lippi, maybe) that is better and available.

You have to remember that even our own dirigenza was aiming for only a UEFA Cup draw; so in this manner, Ranieri has actually far exceeded expectations. Without Inter's gifts, we would probably be second (and possibly even 1st).

Again, serious question: what is the highest on the Serie A table that a team has finished in their 1st year of promotion from B?
Am not being naive but seriously guys we r juve for god's sake!!! We don't compare ourselves with other teams in italy, even milan struggled for two seasons in serie B before making the come back to serie A. We must not forget that this year juve is playing only in the league (we're not playing in europe) even so we struggled soo many times against other teams, we scored so many times before the end of our games (roma, torino, cagliari.....). IMO if any team fails to create chances to score goals thats clearlly the couch's fault. Our team is clueless when they attack.......
 

Amaurisimo

Senior Member
Dec 8, 2007
4,622
You're all saying that CR is not a winner. Well, currently, you can't be a winner without a competitive team, and he never had that...
Oh yeah, he had competitive team at Chelsea last season, when he did have all those players, and only reason why he did not win was because Arsenal never lost single match that season..
However we-Chelsea still beat them in CL.

Actually, the statement by vimo I quoted might not be the dumbest thing I've ever heard, but probably the dumbest thing I'll hear all week. Probably.

But then again, I did see some pretty inane things being posted in the who should play for the Azzurri thread.
When i see how you contradict yourself sometimes, i could actually say the same about you..What vimo said it is so clear and correct..

Very funny how some new people come out of the woodwork to defend Ranieri. Where was this support before we beat Inter?

I mean, have an opinion and stick to it. Grow a pair.

Ranieri's mistakes throughout the season outweigh his good decisions. Until he stops making inane errors both at the start of the match and during the match, I will not support him. Still needs to go sooner or later.
:agree:

For me and many others, coach and every single player, are important part of team, and i would never try to bring down anyone, nor Ranieri, or Molinaro or Legro or anyone else..I would feel sorry of course, but also i would try to be rational and see why we dont have anyone else except Molinaro as LB, i would remember faults on our defense line, and compare some games when we were so good such as game at home against inter, when we created so many offsides to them, all papers were saying that that was master stroke, but again we let one in cos of individual fault. On those games you can see potential of coach players etc..
but YOU blame and try to kill everyone in team if they make mistake.But not to everyone, Tiago is perfect example. He is lost in seria A. Everyone can see that but not you..We know who carry fault for performance of Tiago.

But most of you were slagging Sissoko, just because guy said few things about Lpool and us..
Now all of you changed your mind, which is good, and i hope you do same for others, as only if we support whole our team we can get more.


He was very good against Inter but that can`t change the thing that he screwed us much more.Yeah,he can stay but when season finishes...he`s free to go.

Btw that shit "We wanted UEFA cup not CL" is probably just to protect coach and to stop fans bashing him.I don`t say it because I don`t like him.I really don`t believer we were after UEFA spot.
Well after having some supporters bashing him without sense, he would be better of without us..
Most of you dont understand or dont want to think why he is here..Cos of money?Cos better people did not want us? Because M. srew us? Because we lost few million fans? Cos we were in seria B? Cos we have so many old players? cos of management...

Finally people recognize the fine work CR has been doing, just as vimo said.

People are quick to criticize him, especially after games like the one against Empoli. But they fail to realize that every juve squad has had bad games, this was true during the great Lippi era as well.

The truth is simply that CR is working on a 3 year project at least. You cannot expect the team to be back on top so fast, noone could've achieved that. It is realistic to say that Juve could be back to the old self in 3 years and seeing the progress so far you'd have to be very satisfied.

They predicted a mid-table position for us during pre-season, look where we are now. Yes we have some problems to work at (defense mainly imo), but thats to be expected with a squad that has changed so radically over the last 2 years.

The same can be said about the board (which was been heavily cirticized as well). I don't think we would be anywhere without the help of our champions, who looked set to leave numerous times during the last 2 years, yet our board managed to keep them. Kudos.

If we change our management, especially if we sack CR, we will throw away all the progress we've made so far.
Correct thinking, but still we have to criticize if there is reason for that, and yes they are sometimes..But we have to be rational, and start in same way criticize DP, for his performances, Nedved for his offensive games etc...BUT never call for dismissal, kill, and call our team members bad names ....

IMO ranieri did a good job in organizing our defence, I'd give him credit for that. But on the offence our team is cluless!! Overall ranieri did a pretty decent job IMO but nothing more........
Did yo notice that if we dont have DP, Camo, Nedved, we are always clueless, and tell me how many times we were without them..Who else to play ? Tiago, Paladino, Brazzo? That is best we got at the mmt.

Too bad Ranieri is a proven loser. Until he actually wins something, and actually makes sense on the pitch, I cannot support him as manager.

The fact that he toyed around with the same formation that were utter garbage a couple weeks prior to the Inter match was a gamble, but thankfully it did not cost us.
If you gave him todays inter team would he win it than? Everyone agrees here that CR is better than Mancini so?
Or if we gave him Capello's Juve would he do better and also in CL?

First, I really don't like him. However, I once thought he may be a good coach. But then I changed my mind quickly. I'm not irrational and I don't have antipathy with him. There are two things I hate about him:

1. He talks to much (media) with no sense of so-called "winning spirit". (self-satisfied with the results...moan too much)
2. His failed matches outnumber his successful matches and he also makes many silly mistakes (keep using Nocerino).

You can argue with me that everybody makes mistakes but the fact is Juve can't be like that. At least, we must get points against small teams, that's crucial.

Now, this is the main point: he does not keep his words. Early in this season, he said "we can win scudetto and I'll try to do this". But later, now, he just simply forgets it.

So, are we clear?
i agree with every with every word. good post
re Media, when he was at Chelsea everyone loved him, including media..same as in Valencia as well at parma. At parma he never had those issues, how come he is so bad with media, when is with Juve? Or could be something else, including referee thing???

Do u think coach should limit possibilities and not say good things about players, other coaches, potential achievement's?
What about games and moving tension in other directions.

Am not being naive but seriously guys we r juve for god's sake!!! We don't compare ourselves with other teams in italy, even milan struggled for two seasons in serie B before making the come back to serie A. We must not forget that this year juve is playing only in the league (we're not playing in europe) even so we struggled soo many times against other teams, we scored so many times before the end of our games (roma, torino, cagliari.....). IMO if any team fails to create chances to score goals thats clearlly the couch's fault. Our team is clueless when they attack.......

yes we are juve, and half of normal people hates us cos of things we done in certain way..We don't have same team as 2 years ago, and same foundation including material one..
When we shall understand this??

re being clueless when we attack , well u have to ask also those 3 players i mentioned above, one in particular , why he holds ball so much and why always try to pass 3 players.
 

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