Claudio Marchisio (78 Viewers)

[pavluska]

It fits the narrative, because the thesis talks mainly about 4-2-3-1 at that part, but in 4-3-3, the nr 10 is moved to the attack, and in 3 man "defensive" central midfield in 4-3-3 (compared to 4-2-3-1) where 3rd central midfielder is a pure nr 10 AM exploiting the channels between opponents defence and mid, the 3rd extra CM in 3 man midfield is there to add stability and hustle, or superiority in numbers and possession. Allegri's old thesis mentions most of these basics.

Thats also the reason Dybala was benched for so long when we started playing 4-3-3, because he couldnt figure out a way to fit him in, but now he has in this lopsided SS role were we play without an LW/make Sandro or Matuidi (latter almost becomes LM to balance having Dybala on pitch) push forward more there.



And nothing of that matters for what you originally said. For Juve, Pjanic cannot be a nr 10 when we have Dybala, and neither should he be, he is better as CM/regista, as we clearly have seen.

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EXACTLY. Litterally the perfect b2b midfielder.

Don't see how that's diff from the norm.

In a 4231, you usually have one regista/static DM and one B2B (#8) (Marchisio can play as both). And that's true in all leagues.

In a 433 in Italy, you usually have one regista/DM, a mobile B2B that can defend, and a mezzala or a more attacking CM with more attacking ability. (Marchisio played this in Conte's first season.) Currently, we aren't playing with a mezzala.

As for Dybala in a 433, he thinks he should always play centrally and not out wide based on the type of player he is.

 

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[Fr3sh]

Pogba can fuck right off, bring back Vidal

100%

I wouldn't take him back. Only way I'd take him back is by pulling an elia on him during a word cup season

 

[Seven]

Allegri said multiple times he prefers a physical presence in his mezzala's/B2b, his nr 8, should be able to win header or run down opponents/run forward join attacks in box (his tactical thesis as student coach describing nr 8 types when he was becoming coach fits this narrative). All things thats not Marchisio style. So he is pretty much seen as Pjanic backup, and Pjanic isnt moving away from that regista role thats perfect for him in freeroaming CM/AM ever again under Allegri most likely.

If this is true and it is a tactical choice rather than Marchisio just not being fit, I must say I'm disappointed. I think we look twice the team with a fit Marchisio in it. He's the player that makes us tick.

 

[Afghan_juventus]

Marchisio>Pjanic at regista and pretty much overall

 

[Monty]

Marchisio>Pjanic at regista and pretty much overall

Pjanic in the first part of the season was in great form, he has suffered recently as pretty much every team has put a tight man marker on him

 

[Hydde]

Marchisio>Pjanic at regista and pretty much overall

I agree with this. And not because he is better technically than pjanic, but because he has better traits for that position as he defends more and doesnt overcomplicate things.

I insist Hat we are limiting pjanic played as regista. He has so much to offer as the AM in a midfield trio... but keeping him in front of the defense limits him.

 

[Hydde]

on other notes...woah forget pogba! dat niggah is finished

 

[duranfj]

I love how people find sense to every Max decision... For instance, we never use Pjanic and Cheesio together and we all can write a numbers of reason why is that but then realize than Pjanic is playing next too Khedira and it all becomes blurred

 

[Hydde]

yeh, for me, simply not playinf marchisio and using khedira is plain nonsense. No negotiation there. And yes i saw the max essay..but khedira just doesnt work.

Unless marchisio is injured.... khedira should not be used. Matuidi, marchisio and pjanic wopuld bring a lot more to the midfield.

 

[Hust]

Criminal to be benched.

 

[Akshen]

yeah, with Pjanic in this form, he should be starter

 

[Hydde]

Criminal to be benched.

1:08

but yeh.... criminal

 

[Boksic]

Has any midfielder played better than him recently?

I know he hasn't played much but he had good performances when he did.

Pjanic seems off form, I don't think Matuidi has been at his level since coming back from his injury, Khedira performed very well after the winter break but fell away recently.

Who knows if he would have performed better, but I think he has shown enough for more chances given the competition in midfield. Unless he still cannot play often because of his injury.

 

[Bianconero81]

Has any midfielder played better than him recently?

I know he hasn't played much but he had good performances when he did.

Pjanic seems off form, I don't think Matuidi has been at his level since coming back from his injury, Khedira performed very well after the winter break but fell away recently.

Who knows if he would have performed better, but I think he has shown enough for more chances given the competition in midfield. Unless he still cannot play often because of his injury.

That's probably the reason. I'd rather have him on CL nights, as I don't trust our other mids to do shit.

 

[Afghan_juventus]

No other mid on this team is at his level.

 

[Stevie]

So frustrated that he isnt playing more.

 

[Hydde]

it is me or he is receiving the del piero treatment?

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

It seems so

 

[Stevie]

You guys think he is being forced out?

I really hope not but its not like we have ever respected our legends properly in the past anyway.

Camo, Trez, Nedved and Del Piero were all handled poorly.

 

[X Æ A-12]

If he can't hack it anymore then he shouldn't be playing just for Nostalgia sake. That's dumb

And he is hardly a legend anyway