Claudio Marchisio (179 Viewers)

[DeviAngel]

Marchisio was barely pressed and Pirlo (more than anyone else) is the most capable player of spraying penetrating passes under high pressure. Certainly better than marchisio at it. Pereyra is an unknown quality. Pirlo is a known world class quality. I am surprised how many people are undermining Pirlo's abilities. His problem was never that he is easily marked or pressured out of the game. Many have tried and many have failed. Its one of his assets. His weakness is in winning the ball and tackling but certainly not in maintaining possession or in servicing the forwards under pressure. Pirlo on a bad day would have kept their defense and midfield very busy. On a good day he'd have assisted some goals.

Exactly what modern football needs, especially against teams like Atl. Madrid. Last season Pirlo couldn't even move against some Serie A sides, the tempoe is not the same, Atl. can hurt you on the counter something where pirlo can't do a thing. Pereyra so far is nkown quality but he is making giant leaps towards 'big quality' players if he continues like this. Atl. held Ronaldo, Messi, Bale imagine what they would have done to Pirlo.

I'm not dismissing Pirlo's qualities but tbh our main weakness in UCL is Pirlo for me. Without him our team is more stable in defense, mroe aggressive in attack. Last season when Pirlo was out and Marchisio was in his place our team picked up the pace and form. We won 9 games in a row and the first 4-5 games when Pirlo was out they were like 3-0, 4-1 results like that. I love Pirlo to but what we get as advantage we lose it double against teams like Atl. in UCL

 

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[PedroFlu]

sorry but you (not just you pedroflu, but most who are against pirlo now) act like pirlo is some new on the scene player.

This is the same guy that was a vital set up of a milan side who reached 3 c finals, an european final and a world cup final. so much for teams figuring him out or shutting him out theory.

100% guranatee the reason for this teory is because of the way conte had juve set up. if we play with wingers, or under allegri's juve where the full backs are pushing up higher, you would see pirlo having a lot of space to operate in

I know man I respect Pirlo a lot.

But fortunately this team is not dependent on him like 2 yrs ago anymore. It's not healthy to be dependent on any player.

I can't remember one good match from him in Europe in 2 years. He just doesn't fit the pace. He makes our game slower.

I have a crazy amount of respect for him but this is not only about Pirlo's decline, which isn't that visible. It's about Marchisio's level of play. The guy has been an outstanding anchor.

The team is conceding much much less goal opportunities this year. Better defensive consistency and this is on Marchisio IMO. It's not only about Pirlo, but also about the great way Marchisio has been playing.

 

[Hydde]

Pirlo hasn't played a professional match for more than two months. To start him in possibly the most important fixture in Serie A in such a situation is risky to say the least.

Exactly

I dont think juve would have looked nearly as solid in madrid when current pirlo played.

And this is what i say when peeps talk about the Free kick which was wasted by Pogba. Yes i know that if Pirlo was there..we would have won the game maybe BUT for that to happen, Pirlo should have been from the start of the match... and we dont know if we would have been trailing by that time with all the pressing Atletico was doing. I could see Pirlo having a rought time with it.

I know man I respect Pirlo a lot.

But fortunately this team is not dependent on him like 2 yrs ago anymore. It's not healthy to be dependent on any player.

I can't remember one good match from him in Europe in 2 years. He just doesn't fit the pace. He makes our game slower.

I have a crazy amount of respect for him but this is not only about Pirlo's decline, which isn't that visible. It's about Marchisio's level of play. The guy has been an outstanding anchor.

The team is conceding much much less goal opportunities this year. Better defensive consistency and this is on Marchisio IMO. It's not only about Pirlo, but also about the great way Marchisio has been playing.

I really want to believe that... because as much as we all love and like Pirlo... he has his weakneeses, and im not adamant of our play all going thru Pirlo. It makes us uni dimensional. But still he has his uses and we should continue using Pirlo in the right circumstances because he is class.

But yes, like you sid.. it seems we are conceding much less goal with our current set up,,,and it indeed could be pretty much because marchisio, or the combination of the 3 defensive mids we have. I think right now we need more numbers to back this up.. but at the end of the season it will be pretty clear

 

[Hist]

Exactly what modern football needs, especially against teams like Atl. Madrid. Last season Pirlo couldn't even move against some Serie A sides, the tempoe is not the same, Atl. can hurt you on the counter something where pirlo can't do a thing. Pereyra so far is nkown quality but he is making giant leaps towards 'big quality' players if he continues like this. Atl. held Ronaldo, Messi, Bale imagine what they would have done to Pirlo.

I'm not dismissing Pirlo's qualities but tbh our main weakness in UCL is Pirlo for me. Without him our team is more stable in defense, mroe aggressive in attack. Last season when Pirlo was out and Marchisio was in his place our team picked up the pace and form. We won 9 games in a row and the first 4-5 games when Pirlo was out they were like 3-0, 4-1 results like that. I love Pirlo to but what we get as advantage we lose it double against teams like Atl. in UCL

Marchisio adds defensive stability but decreases creativity. Pirlo adds creativity and decreases defensive stability. Which department is more troubling for Juve? the attacking one or the defensive one because if you think we have a shaky defense compared to other teams then sure marchisio becomes a neccesary starter but if you think we have been solid defensively over the last 3 years then Pirlo is much more needed because of his creativity.

 

[DeviAngel]

Marchisio adds defensive stability but decreases creativity. Pirlo adds creativity and decreases defensive stability. Which department is more troubling for Juve? the attacking one or the defensive one because if you think we have a shaky defense compared to other teams then sure marchisio becomes a neccesary starter but if you think we have been solid defensively over the last 3 years then Pirlo is much more needed because of his creativity.

Chiellini has been shit in the last few months, Bonucci is well you know Bonucci and Barzagli our best defender is out. In UCL we need defensive stability because suffer against teams with fast wings, teams that are fast, we also suffer against teams like Atl.Madrid the game against BM 2 season ago proved that Pirlo can't play against that kind of players who pressure the shit out of you, this isn't facing Cesena, Chievo,Udinese we are facing complete teams on our level and even more quality ones so yes bro I choose defensive stability.

 

[MikeM]

Marchisio adds defensive stability but decreases creativity. Pirlo adds creativity and decreases defensive stability. Which department is more troubling for Juve? the attacking one or the defensive one because if you think we have a shaky defense compared to other teams then sure marchisio becomes a neccesary starter but if you think we have been solid defensively over the last 3 years then Pirlo is much more needed because of his creativity.

They add and decrease those areas in varying degrees though.

Pirlo could be a 10/10 in terms of creativity but he's a 0/10 defensively whereas Marchisio is something like a 9 or 10/10 defensively but still competent creatively, at least a 6 or 7.

I'm convinced he saved a goal against Atletico by tracking Arda from midfield on the counter and blocking his goalline cross while Lichtsteiner couldn't even track Arda on his goal.

Pirlo is just not an every game player anymore IMO. There are specific situations where he is still great but you can't have a player sitting in front of your defense who is a pylon nowadays. With Pirlo you can't play an uptempo game because you'll get killed on counters and our CMs can't be aggressive because they have to protect Pirlo.

 

[swag]

Pummeled Bonucci's head in goal celebration, Storari style.

 

[Hust]

Future captain. These performances are great. Nice to know you won't get disciplinary action for breaking curfew with this guy.

Team.Player.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

The guy that Melo, Aquilani, Vidal, Asamoah and Pogba was supposed to bench, is now benching Pirlo

 

[NinjaPoggy]

wow

 

[Hust]

50k posts. Home sweet home my love.

Forza Marchisio

 

[.zero]

SELL

SELL

SELL

 

[Ocelot]

Gamechanger.

 

[Hist]

world class. much better than pirlo.

 

[Fr3sh]

world class. much better than pirlo.

@AlexJuventino what a game changer!

 

[alexjuventino]

If pirlo had played he would have made a difference? Hahahahahahahhhahahah

 

[Raz]

50k posts. Home sweet home my love.

Forza Marchisio

you had 400 posts in 10 days?

 

[Ocelot]

you had 400 posts in 10 days?

Husted.

 

[Hydde]

Pirlo is done. Just dont bring him in any discussions anymore please.

 

[Hust]

you had 400 posts in 10 days?

Husted.

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Didn't even realize.