again, 2 wrongs don't make a right.
if people are overly hating Aqui then that's messed up, he makes Juve stronger when he is on song.
this is what, his second season as a full starter for Juve? if you don't see how he makes a difference - and you watch a lot more footy than I do - then what can I say.
provides cover on the wing, extra man in the box when we go forward, and covers defensively.
tell me any other MF player in the lineup who does that?
if people are overly hating Aqui then that's messed up, he makes Juve stronger when he is on song.
this is what, his second season as a full starter for Juve? if you don't see how he makes a difference - and you watch a lot more footy than I do - then what can I say.
provides cover on the wing, extra man in the box when we go forward, and covers defensively.
tell me any other MF player in the lineup who does that?
Aquilani has a ton of natural ability, far more than he's shown with us, but that's not exactly the point here, now is it.
It's been a very long time since he's consistently shown that type of quality (he's almost always had injury issues anyway, so those periods were relatively short), and people are right to question whether or not he's worth the type of money he'll cost. It's a ton of money. I'm not sure what I would do, because I know he's very gifted.
Marchisio is ours, and he's one of our lowest earners. Which is why, surely, he shouldn't be a major target for people's venting. He may not be good enough to be first choice long term, we'll see what happens when the team gets some more stability.
I disagree about the hate, but that's fine.
Now that makes more sense.
It's been a very long time since he's consistently shown that type of quality (he's almost always had injury issues anyway, so those periods were relatively short), and people are right to question whether or not he's worth the type of money he'll cost. It's a ton of money. I'm not sure what I would do, because I know he's very gifted.
Marchisio is ours, and he's one of our lowest earners. Which is why, surely, he shouldn't be a major target for people's venting. He may not be good enough to be first choice long term, we'll see what happens when the team gets some more stability.
I disagree about the hate, but that's fine.
Now that makes more sense.
Here's a news flash; He's not been one of our top players this season. Too inconsistent. Maybe at the start of the season he was but certainly not now.
And again I'll say it, had he had one year left on his contract then by all means pay him the freaking 2m since he does have the ability to blossom BUT not when he has 3 years left on his deal on top of him providing nothing special this season. It sends the wrong message to all of our players.
How do you think this make lets say Alex feel if this guy gets this ridiculous extension while our captain and long life guard still awaits a decision on that while his contract is almost over. Maybe he should too bitch on that on his facebook page and start accepting offers to show our management how valuable he is.
And again I'll say it, had he had one year left on his contract then by all means pay him the freaking 2m since he does have the ability to blossom BUT not when he has 3 years left on his deal on top of him providing nothing special this season. It sends the wrong message to all of our players.
How do you think this make lets say Alex feel if this guy gets this ridiculous extension while our captain and long life guard still awaits a decision on that while his contract is almost over. Maybe he should too bitch on that on his facebook page and start accepting offers to show our management how valuable he is.
I gave you how many minutes he played. Over the past three years he has been playing a lot and he was teams regular most of the time. Improvement? Well, that's where we disagree. When you scroll back to previous pages I was the one praising him. Now I give him critics just because of that - no improvement over the past three years whatsoever. He was good, but he stood in the same place. Just look at those assists/goals, it's pretty damn low considering those minutes.
Yes, he does all that but everything he does is only decent and not good. Is he a good passer? No. Does he have a vision? No. Is he fast? No. Good technique? Yes. Good long shots, headers? No. Crosses? No. Out of all those things he's only decent (bar the good technique he has), and none of his abilities is something to be proud of.
If you see improvements then fine. It's something I don't see at all because most of the time (especially this season) first time I notice him on the pitch is in the second half, or when he gets a yellow card. Very inconsistent player who plays in a shadow like he's afraid. Like I said before, reminds me of Zanetti without long passes. Or a player like Poulsen.
Yes, he does all that but everything he does is only decent and not good. Is he a good passer? No. Does he have a vision? No. Is he fast? No. Good technique? Yes. Good long shots, headers? No. Crosses? No. Out of all those things he's only decent (bar the good technique he has), and none of his abilities is something to be proud of.
If you see improvements then fine. It's something I don't see at all because most of the time (especially this season) first time I notice him on the pitch is in the second half, or when he gets a yellow card. Very inconsistent player who plays in a shadow like he's afraid. Like I said before, reminds me of Zanetti without long passes. Or a player like Poulsen.
What should he do? Refuse to play? 
Hey, lets give Simone Pepe 2,5 mln as well. He even frickin played LB
Hey, lets give Simone Pepe 2,5 mln as well. He even frickin played LB
Don't be ridiculous about this. All I'm saying is he's been a faithful servant to the team. Prove otherwise.
Marchisio is WAY better than Pepe. Nice comparison.
Sure he loves him but consider his contract issue and that of Marchisio.
Yeah, bitching in his facebook page wasn't enough. He should have done it on international tv as well to be considered "much bitching", buddy. As for his position, He has surprisingly done relatively better off position than he did in his supposedly original one. Makes you wonder...
Yeah, bitching in his facebook page wasn't enough. He should have done it on international tv as well to be considered "much bitching", buddy. As for his position, He has surprisingly done relatively better off position than he did in his supposedly original one. Makes you wonder...
I'm fine if he stays, I really am. I just don't like when he's getting praises for no reason whatsoever.
He's a good team player and a player that should be on the bench in a team like Juventus. It's something else when he's being labeled as a key player. Well he surely isn't that and it's something I can only do a facepalm for.
Wait until we're more stable? He had 3 years here, not his first season. While he's also not a 19yo kid, he's 25 already.
He's a good team player and a player that should be on the bench in a team like Juventus. It's something else when he's being labeled as a key player. Well he surely isn't that and it's something I can only do a facepalm for.
Wait until we're more stable? He had 3 years here, not his first season. While he's also not a 19yo kid, he's 25 already.
I think a lot of his fans appreciate him because he isn't total shit like many of our other players in recent times. To say he has been one of our more consistant players when we finish 6-7th really doesn't underline his quality. In fact I don't think he has been consistant at all compared to others on the team.
My brother likes him. I really don't understand why but I think it has something to do with how he progresses in FM. I bet a lot of people base their opinion on that alone.
My brother likes him. I really don't understand why but I think it has something to do with how he progresses in FM. I bet a lot of people base their opinion on that alone.
the way he is being instructed to play, it is considered more important to keep the shape and discipline than be adventurous.
Aquilani and Krasic - they are given the freedom.
Melo & Marchi - are not.
despite that he does a big share offensively, has been scoring goals and providing assists, and that too mostly at LM, which is certainly not his natural position.
you don't think its overly harsh for you to say that he not consistent enough despite having to do more than his fair share for the team?
as for the attributes you describe, I disagree on his passing, it is quite good, and he DOES look to make the killer passes.
maybe you are picturing as something that he isn't.
Aquilani and Krasic - they are given the freedom.
Melo & Marchi - are not.
despite that he does a big share offensively, has been scoring goals and providing assists, and that too mostly at LM, which is certainly not his natural position.
you don't think its overly harsh for you to say that he not consistent enough despite having to do more than his fair share for the team?
as for the attributes you describe, I disagree on his passing, it is quite good, and he DOES look to make the killer passes.
maybe you are picturing as something that he isn't.
Sure he loves him but consider his contract issue and that of Marchisio.
Yeah, bitching in his facebook page wasn't enough. He should have done it on international tv as well to be considered "much bitching", buddy. As for his position, He has surprisingly done relatively better off position than he did in his supposedly original one. Makes you wonder...
Yeah, bitching in his facebook page wasn't enough. He should have done it on international tv as well to be considered "much bitching", buddy. As for his position, He has surprisingly done relatively better off position than he did in his supposedly original one. Makes you wonder...
Actually, players in all sports DO bitch on national television about things like that. ALL THE TIME. I follow two types of football, and hockey religiously. That shit comes out ALL the time, and for much less.
He made, what, one mistake? Two mistakes? Small comments that weren't even that bad - considering he plays ALL the time, and is like our 3rd lowest earner?
Surprisingly done relatively better off position than he did in his original one? What are you talking about? Lay off the rock, dude. His 'original one' was playing as a CM in a 4-4-2. When does he play there now?
Anyway, I don't need to go in circles on this ridiculous argument. We disagree on all of this, I get it.
He signed his contract in 2009, and he was a starter then with Ferrrara and he signed it when going on one of his best performances. So he would have demanded a better one had he not seen it as fair or he would ask for one that would tie him for a shorter period.
And Im pretty sure he wouldn't be starting if not for the lack of an adequate sub.
And Im pretty sure he wouldn't be starting if not for the lack of an adequate sub.
C'mon now, you know this team has been laughably unstable for a long time. He's played a few roles, basically ALL of the players around him have changed, we've gone through 4 coaches in that time.
C'mon man. More Stable. As in, continuity. Multiple years with the same coach, and core of players. Not having gaping holes at both FB spots, and on the wing. Etc., etc.
C'mon man. More Stable. As in, continuity. Multiple years with the same coach, and core of players. Not having gaping holes at both FB spots, and on the wing. Etc., etc.
Melo has quality and he gave this team much more this season than Marchisio, despite their freedom being cut down.
Some people have been saying that he's a better player while on the wing, too. Let's look at the numbers again, bar this season, he offered as much on his 'natural' position.
Maybe he tries but it stays at that since I've never seen more than two killer passes from him. His passing is good, maybe, but only short passes. Same passes that also suit Melo who's a DM.
Some people have been saying that he's a better player while on the wing, too. Let's look at the numbers again, bar this season, he offered as much on his 'natural' position.
Maybe he tries but it stays at that since I've never seen more than two killer passes from him. His passing is good, maybe, but only short passes. Same passes that also suit Melo who's a DM.
I would like to pose a question here: If Juventus had the possibility to bring a very good or atleast better cm than marchisio at the cost of selling/benching the future leader and captain of the team, would you do it? Is he really worth a key player status or even the armband? Are his performances that good? Bear in mind that he's not that young anymore to be labelled as a prospect, and that despite what ahmed said he HAS been a regular over the course of past seasons.
I'm sure as hell i'd sell or bench him in a heartbeat.
Actually it reminds me of De Rossi's stagnation over the past seasons, with Danielle being on a completely different level than Claudio though.
I'm sure as hell i'd sell or bench him in a heartbeat.
Actually it reminds me of De Rossi's stagnation over the past seasons, with Danielle being on a completely different level than Claudio though.