[CL] Juventus - Bayern München (5 Viewers)

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,366
++ [ originally posted by Sir Sebastian ] ++
so... what the hell was camo's sub about?
He played bad and we needed to make place for Mutu to come in. Camoranesi was chosen as the weakest link actually.
 

Maresca

Senior Member
Aug 23, 2004
8,235
yeah, we managed the revange :)


Positive aspekts of the game:
We played with right mentality and spirit, and we saw that all the players wanted to win this game. Trez is scoring when he get´s the ball. Viera is getting more and more important for the team.

negative aspekts:
as a team we are acting very bad, we have really problems to controll the midfield. and we are not creating many chances.


my ratings:

Abbiati 5: I don´t know if the goal was a mistake from abbiati. it was a difficult ball.

Zambrotta 6: he was ok he tried a lot on the right side.

Thuram 6,5 : he was much better as the Game in Munich

Cannavaro 6: he was ok but made some little mistakes

Kovac 6: he showed the right aggasion and determination.

Chielini 6,5 : his best game for juve. he was really solid and made a lot for the attack.

Viera 6,5 : he was involed in almost every action in midfield, and what an assist for trez

Emerson 6: he was almost invisible. he must do more. he made a mistake that gave bayern a dangerous free kick.

Del piero 5,5: tried alot but he was not lucky. he can not play behind the strikers.

Ibrahimovic 6 : he had a good game, an unnesecery red card.

Trezeguet 7,5 MOM: 2 great goals.

Camoranesi 4 what the hell was he doing, he played without determination. it was his fault, that bayern get the free kick. he should have attacked the bayern player much sooner and with more agrassion.

Nedved 6: he made a good impact

Mutu : not much to say about him.

Capello 6,5 I think that he finaly made a good substition. it was good to change camoranesi again. it was not his day.
 

Zlatan

Senior Member
Jun 9, 2003
23,049
++ [ originally posted by Luciano_Moggi ] ++

4 Vieira: A very normal midfielder, doesn't deserve that reputition which came with him from Arsenal...

9 Ibrahimovic: Dictionaries can't give him his deserved critics...His body is good for a gladiator, not a striker...He was unbelievable for how much he can be selfish...Thanks God he'll watch the next match from his home...

10 Del Piero: I don't know what he has to do to convince Capello to play...

19 Zambrotta: Very normal...

21 Thuram: If this's his last season in Juve, it will be good...

25 Zalayeta: I don't know if he's still know what it takes to hit a ball!!!

28 Cannavaro: Not his normal form...

Are you serious??? :confused:
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,366
++ [ originally posted by ZAF3000 ] ++
My rating:

Abbiati: 4: Not upto the task. Failed to save an easy FK.
Kovac: 6: Good game. Not the best, but good game
Thuram: 6 same as Kovac.
Cannavaro: 7: Fabio.. enough said
Chielini: 7 very good game. looked focused and did alot of work. Needs to improve his corses though.
Zambrotta: 8.5 .. Man of the Match. Did everything right. If the team was playing as Zambrotta was we would've won 6-0.
Vieira: 6: Didn't look sharp, his only highlight was the fantastic assist to trezeguet. Otherwise he would've got less
Emerson: 6.5 : Very strong in the midfield.
Del Piero: 6: An average game, not fantastic. Only played for 45 min, tried to move the midfield but his team mates did not want to spread well.
Ibrahimovic: 4.5. Still out of focus. Delays the ball. Foolish Red card. Was lucky not to get sent off early in the match.
Trezeguet: 7.5: Very good match. Showed his worth.
Nedved: 6: Started in Del Piero's position, Capello then drifted him to the left where his work was limited. Caused some problems.
Camoranesi: 5: was obvious that he was not on the right mentality. It was right to sub him in less than 20 min but I think it was wrong for him to enter in the first place.
Mutu: 5.5: Not his fault that he got this rate. He only played for a little while. I am 100% sure that he would've got atleast 6.5 if he started from the beginning of the 2nd half.

Capello: 6: Started well with a good formation. Substitutions were not very good. Taking off Del Piero was wrong. Keeping Zlatan was wrong. Not playing Mutu earlier wrong. My opinion in HT Zlatan out mutu in. Mutu plays DP's role and DP move's forward to Zlatan's place. Nevertheless we won. He dservse 6.

4.5 for Zlatan just for the red card?? I don't know based on what you gave this rating, but Zlatan was one o the better players during the game. Anyone who says that he was selfish is either blind or an idiot. He moved well, he received the balls well and he tried to give passes. His passes were bad though.
 

ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
22,871
++ [ originally posted by ZAF3000 ] ++
My rating:

Abbiati: 4: Not upto the task. Failed to save an easy FK.
Kovac: 6: Good game. Not the best, but good game
Thuram: 6 same as Kovac.
Cannavaro: 7: Fabio.. enough said
Chielini: 7 very good game. looked focused and did alot of work. Needs to improve his corses though.
Zambrotta: 8.5 .. Man of the Match. Did everything right. If the team was playing as Zambrotta was we would've won 6-0.
Vieira: 6: Didn't look sharp, his only highlight was the fantastic assist to trezeguet. Otherwise he would've got less
Emerson: 6.5 : Very strong in the midfield.
Del Piero: 6: An average game, not fantastic. Only played for 45 min, tried to move the midfield but his team mates did not want to spread well.
Ibrahimovic: 4.5. Still out of focus. Delays the ball. Foolish Red card. Was lucky not to get sent off early in the match.
Trezeguet: 7.5: Very good match. Showed his worth.
Nedved: 6: Started in Del Piero's position, Capello then drifted him to the left where his work was limited. Caused some problems.
Camoranesi: 5: was obvious that he was not on the right mentality. It was right to sub him in less than 20 min but I think it was wrong for him to enter in the first place.
Mutu: 5.5: Not his fault that he got this rate. He only played for a little while. I am 100% sure that he would've got atleast 6.5 if he started from the beginning of the 2nd half.

Capello: 6: Started well with a good formation. Substitutions were not very good. Taking off Del Piero was wrong. Keeping Zlatan was wrong. Not playing Mutu earlier wrong. My opinion in HT Zlatan out mutu in. Mutu plays DP's role and DP move's forward to Zlatan's place. Nevertheless we won. He dservse 6.
100%:thumb:
 

Maresca

Senior Member
Aug 23, 2004
8,235
++ [ originally posted by ZAF3000 ] ++
Ok guys good match. Expected better.. Never the less good over all..

My points of the game:
1- Starting 11: Good choices. Good starting 11. (4-3-1-2)
2- During the match, Del Piero was trying in the centre of the field since he was playing as an Offensive midfielder. The problem was Trezeguet and mainly ibrahimovic were not moving to open up spaces for him to assist them. Most of his tries ended up in a tackle..
3- Vieira and Emerson also did not helpout in creating the offense by spreading out well.
4- Zambrotta (MOM) he was everything for Juve, offense and deffence. He had few sprints highlighted mostly by the missed chance for trezeguet.
5- Defense were playing well.. All of them.
6- Chiellini has held himself a starting 11 position in my opinion. Very good match for our youngster.
7- Our 1st half formation was very good but the players did not move accordingly.
8- Nedved to replace Del Piero in the 2nd half was not a good call. I would have replaced Ibrahimovic. He seemed not concentrated. He kicked a player without a ball in the first hlaf and was lucky to get away with a yellow. Plus it should've been Mutu. Formation changed to regular 4-4-2
9- Abbiati again was not up to the task and failed to save a simple ball.
10- Mutu was left on the bench for a long time.
11- Trezeguet proved that he is the best finisher in the world got 4 chances scored 2.
12- We still are lacking speed and creativity ...
exactly
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,366
++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++



Are you serious??? :confused:
If he's agreeing with ZAF5000's ratings, then he should be serious. Actually I read two phrases of his analysis and scrolled down. It was obvious he was doing something else whiel watching the game or watching another game.
 

loyada

Senior Member
Feb 6, 2005
1,532
we need a left sided player ( i mean a player who can play with his left foot ) in midfield , sometimes we look like robots playing football.
 

Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
28,186
++ [ originally posted by Jeeks ] ++



4.5 for Zlatan just for the red card?? I don't know based on what you gave this rating, but Zlatan was one o the better players during the game. Anyone who says that he was selfish is either blind or an idiot. He moved well, he received the balls well and he tried to give passes. His passes were bad though.
and abbiati 4 :D
 

Zlatan

Senior Member
Jun 9, 2003
23,049
Cant really bother writing the explanation for every rating, but here are mine:


Abbiati - 5
Chiellini - 6.5
Kovač - 5.5
Thuram - 7
Cannavaro - 6.5
Zambrotta - 7.5
Vieira - 7
Emerson - 6
Del Piero - 5.5
Zlatan - 6.0
Trezgeut - 8.0

Mutu - N/A
Camoranesi - N/a
Nedved - 7.5
 

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