[CL] JUVENTUS 2-2 Tottenham Hotspur [February 13th 2018] (5 Viewers)
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I don't think it's fear. In most away matches vs Serie A's top 5/6 sides, Allegri sets up his side to retreat defensively. It's not as Juve are afraid of Atalanta, Lazio, Roma, Napoli etc.
When Juve have taken the initiative under Allegri it's almost always when they are behind. That is when they play their best football. The first 75 minutes away to Bayern was the best I've seen Juve play in a decade. Total domination. Yet, the mentality that the best way to get a result is to condense space with 11 men behind the ball, crept back in. The rest is history. Even the home leg vs Bayern, it took being down 2-0 for Juve to all out attack. No shocker that the game finished 2-2.
Juve are so good when they run the game and are pretty awful when they allow their opponents to.
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I don't think who scores first matters. Tottenham are at home. They will not be shut out. So Juve need to play like it's already 1-0. With that said, Juve are rarely ever shut out either. Both teams will score. Tottenham could even be up 2-0 and it shouldn't affect Juve's gameplan too much.
Both teams will get 5-10 chances like they did in the first leg. They should score at least one each. It then becomes a matter of who scores the 2nd or 3rd.
It's not unimaginable for it to be 1-1 at some point in the 2nd half. If that were to be the case, it can get pretty crazy. It's the CL where you have two quality teams fighting until the end to qualify. This could be epic especially if both teams are at full strength.
In thinking about all the tight KO 2nd leg matches over the years, one or two moments will settle the tie.
When Juve have taken the initiative under Allegri it's almost always when they are behind. That is when they play their best football. The first 75 minutes away to Bayern was the best I've seen Juve play in a decade. Total domination. Yet, the mentality that the best way to get a result is to condense space with 11 men behind the ball, crept back in. The rest is history. Even the home leg vs Bayern, it took being down 2-0 for Juve to all out attack. No shocker that the game finished 2-2.
Juve are so good when they run the game and are pretty awful when they allow their opponents to.
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I don't think who scores first matters. Tottenham are at home. They will not be shut out. So Juve need to play like it's already 1-0. With that said, Juve are rarely ever shut out either. Both teams will score. Tottenham could even be up 2-0 and it shouldn't affect Juve's gameplan too much.
Both teams will get 5-10 chances like they did in the first leg. They should score at least one each. It then becomes a matter of who scores the 2nd or 3rd.
It's not unimaginable for it to be 1-1 at some point in the 2nd half. If that were to be the case, it can get pretty crazy. It's the CL where you have two quality teams fighting until the end to qualify. This could be epic especially if both teams are at full strength.
In thinking about all the tight KO 2nd leg matches over the years, one or two moments will settle the tie.
2 CL finals which we lost
Last season we got to the final due to an easy run in, Barcelona didn't turn up for their matches against us they were poor, add in Porto and Monaco and is our run really that difficult?
We got steamrolled in the final against the first good team that we came up against so not like we were even close to winning the CL
CL finals only worth talking about if we actually win the trophy or come close to winning
So far in 2 finals we haven't really been close, never took the lead once and always chased the game so we are not that close to winning the CL
Serie A is a shit league, the competition there is a level or 2 below what we see in the CL
Last season we got to the final due to an easy run in, Barcelona didn't turn up for their matches against us they were poor, add in Porto and Monaco and is our run really that difficult?
We got steamrolled in the final against the first good team that we came up against so not like we were even close to winning the CL
CL finals only worth talking about if we actually win the trophy or come close to winning
So far in 2 finals we haven't really been close, never took the lead once and always chased the game so we are not that close to winning the CL
Serie A is a shit league, the competition there is a level or 2 below what we see in the CL
Juve and Napoli are not even close to being on the same level
We have a far bigger budget and squad depth than Napoli could ever dream of
We took Higuain off of them and they are still leading us in the league, that is quite impressive when you factor in the size of the squads and quality throughout
We have a far bigger budget and squad depth than Napoli could ever dream of
We took Higuain off of them and they are still leading us in the league, that is quite impressive when you factor in the size of the squads and quality throughout
No. But the problem is that we are sutck with allegri.
He is not a bad coach at all, he has given us unreal numbers. But if you go to the way we play, we have relapsed. Allegri first season here, when he mixed contes team with his ideals, was our best. We had a good mix of attack and def, and even then we didnt had a “dominating" midfield. Even with our mvpp. Thats because our gameplay is always around soaking pressure and “counter" instead of playing possesion football.
See, i dont want to see more comparisons between allegri and the rest of rejects in serie A, because allegro clearly has the numbers to steamroll their CVs... but what i want, is people to take a look at how we play, and why we play like that.
A guy some posts above said it perfectly... we only play to our full potential when we are FORCED to attack. That away bayern game was glorious. Also the way we played in the 2nd half after that first half debacle in turin.
We always play much better when we have to go for the goal. But in neutral, or winning... we never get to that gear. We are always playing passively and waiting, giving the ball to the opossition. This cannot be.
A lot of people adore allegri here and rightly so, but they need to open their eyes and see whats going on. Everything is not OK and this underperforming issue will not change until the coach also does a realization of his shortcomings and change the way we play.
This, and sensitive signigns will at the very least rail us into how we should play.
He is not a bad coach at all, he has given us unreal numbers. But if you go to the way we play, we have relapsed. Allegri first season here, when he mixed contes team with his ideals, was our best. We had a good mix of attack and def, and even then we didnt had a “dominating" midfield. Even with our mvpp. Thats because our gameplay is always around soaking pressure and “counter" instead of playing possesion football.
See, i dont want to see more comparisons between allegri and the rest of rejects in serie A, because allegro clearly has the numbers to steamroll their CVs... but what i want, is people to take a look at how we play, and why we play like that.
A guy some posts above said it perfectly... we only play to our full potential when we are FORCED to attack. That away bayern game was glorious. Also the way we played in the 2nd half after that first half debacle in turin.
We always play much better when we have to go for the goal. But in neutral, or winning... we never get to that gear. We are always playing passively and waiting, giving the ball to the opossition. This cannot be.
A lot of people adore allegri here and rightly so, but they need to open their eyes and see whats going on. Everything is not OK and this underperforming issue will not change until the coach also does a realization of his shortcomings and change the way we play.
This, and sensitive signigns will at the very least rail us into how we should play.