[CL] JUVENTUS 2-2 Bayern [23rd February, 2016] (27 Viewers)

DAiDEViL

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You are a busy man keeping panic off your Forum today : http://www.bayernforum.com/champions-league-f5/juventus-vs-bayern-munich-t13719-795.html

And those Bayern fans wheining about the ref?!?! :lol::lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
now that must be the bayern forum's version of CK. @lgorTudor
You're embarrassing :roll: Grow some balls man.
Same shit before the match. We could've won it 2-0 and you'd still be crying.

The tie is ours to win. Juve will have to come out to score a goal, AT OUR STADIUM, AGAINST **** FC BAYERN. If you don't even have confidence in us scoring AT HOME, I don't know what's wrong with you. If you think Juve will tear us apart offensively, I'm wondering aswell.
 

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bastos80

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Well that's about the worst game I can recall from Allegri in the CL for Juve or Milan.

Juve were extraordinarily passive and the whole game up until Bayern's second goal was just waiting to see how many goals Bayern would score.

Juve's defence was stretched too wide. That meant the defence was very deep and that meant the midfield had to go very deep in order to limit the danger of Bayern playing through the middle and Juve's forwards then got pulled back.

But that ended up being self-perpetuating: Juve couldn't get the ball, so the strikers came deep, so Juve couldn't keep the ball when they did get it.

There had to be a plan for Juve to keep the ball. The simplest thing would have been to leave Mandzukic high up and play long to him. That takes Bayern's press out of the game and it would be hard for Bayern's non- centre-halves playing centre-half to cope with Mandzukic. Not once did Juve play a targeted long ball to Mandzukic before Bayern went 2-0 up.

That lack of plan to play out made the first half scarily reminiscent of the last tie against Bayern. The only difference was that Juve at least weren't trying to give the ball to Pirlo all the time, so most of Juve's give-aways weren't in overly dangerous positions.

Bayern played a very good first half and that's one of the best plans I've seen from Guardiola. The wingers were really wide and by pushing the fullbacks into midfield he made Juve make a decision: be out-numbered badly in midfield or leave Lichtsteiner and Evra one-on-one against the wingers. Juve did have a response and ended up being outnumbered in midfield and unable to stop Bayern's wingers getting one-on-one with the fullbacks.

That said, Bayern didn't actually create that many chances through that period of the game and Juve still got themselves into a number of good positions.

Bayern lost intensity once they went 2-0 up and Juve, since they were out of the CL at that point, had nothing to lose and so they became more aggressive.


In the second game, Juve need to be more centrally focused. That will risk being opened up by a good switch of play, but I think that is a necessary risk. With the defence more compact, the midfield should be able to be a bit more aggressive and that should help the whole Juve team to play a bit further up the pitch than they did last night. It may even get a striker or two high enough up the pitch to give Juve and out-ball and a chance at keeping the ball and avoiding the game being nothing but incessant Bayern pressure.
 

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There had to be a plan for Juve to keep the ball. The simplest thing would have been to leave Mandzukic high up and play long to him. That takes Bayern's press out of the game and it would be hard for Bayern's non- centre-halves playing centre-half to cope with Mandzukic. Not once did Juve play a targeted long ball to Mandzukic before Bayern went 2-0 up.

That lack of plan to play out made the first half scarily reminiscent of the last tie against Bayern. The only difference was that Juve at least weren't trying to give the ball to Pirlo all the time, so most of Juve's give-aways weren't in overly dangerous positions.
It's baffling why we didn't do this. Said it many time, it's perfect solution agains Pep's teams and Allegri did do this against Barça when he was with Milan.
 

DUKAC

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whats wrong with bayerns second goal? i see italian media claimed it should have been disallowed too?
the game leaves hugh regrets. and i am not talking about the pk or the offside goal. both calls are pretty close and could have gone either way. lets not complain about that, sometimes you get calls your way sometimes you don't.
i was really pissed about how we approched the game, as we sat way to deep. bayern is a great team but also vulnerable to pressure. you could really see after we scored that they had a lot of trouble. we should have attacked their defense much more. well too bad that careceres and alex sandro were out cause we could have fielded a much higher line cause of their pace. with evra and licht on the wings we were vulnerable to counters. still pep outsmarted max with his decision to play vidal in a 3 man defence and put lahm in midfield



btw if that was vidals best game for bayern, we are better off with the 40 mil. nearly costed a pk and got fooled by mandzu when he was under pressure
This ,and especially after our second goal.We should exploy their shock that 10 minutes after our second goal.
 

JuveJay

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Chelsea tried to sign Douglas Costa as well, I hardly think someone who plays for Shakhtar is unknown to every top club around, especially when they have turned over attacking players like Willian, Luiz Adriano, Mhkitaryan etc. The credit Bayern get is for taking the chance on him for €30m, seems like money well spent.

Edit: I also agree that I wasn't dazzled by him. Early on he looked like he was going to rip us a new one, but maybe that was more to do with the modern oddity of a LWF going outside on his left a lot. These days it seems to be everyone cutting inside. He went quiet second half.
 

Osman

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How impressive is Douglas Costa. If only we could get our hands on some winger like him.
? He had few decent moments initially (very quick, and played the ball that lead to first goal), but he was prolly their weakest player after Kimmich for the game. Completely out of it later on. Defenitely not a game to be impressed by him, insulting for his qualities to find this impressive.
 

adRHCP

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I think we are able to score two goals against them in the away match as well just need to limit their goals to two or less.
I think there was some statistic related to this, about how our defense hasn't allowed more than 2 goals in a game in a long amount of time. I believe it was already broken but it's an indicative of how hard is to score against us
 

Cheesio

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? He had few decent moments initially (very quick, and played the ball that lead to first goal), but he was prolly their weakest player after Kimmich for the game. Completely out of it later on. Defenitely not a game to be impressed by him, insulting for his qualities to find this impressive.
How was he weak, i lost count of how many dangerous cross he put in the area. He was more dangerous in the first half than Robben. He's a classical winger and it's impressive how he doesn't need any space, seperation to put dangerous crosses in the area.

And their second weakest player for me was Bernat, he was caught many time out of position.
 

bastos80

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That was one of Costa's worst games this season. He didn't get back to the level of 2015 yet.
A lot of it also depends on the guy playing behind him. Bernat really isn't a big help...
All in all there is still a lot to catch up for Costa till he gets on Ribéry's level.
 

Osman

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How was he weak, i lost count of how many dangerous cross he put in the area. He was more dangerous in the first half than Robben. He's a classical winger and it's impressive how he doesn't need any space, seperation to put dangerous crosses in the area.

And their second weakest player for me was Bernat, he was caught many time out of position.
Nah, he was very quick and tried alot, has powerful crosses, but I wouldnt say he acheived much at all out there, in fact pretty much nothing in overall. Robben was better not for only waking up later (classic case of becoming unplayable after scoring) but because he could cut in and play passes to others intelligently. Licht suffered with Costa's speed, but after certain amount of tries he was able to read Costa's signature move and overall predictability. And Costa became a hindrance instead of help for Bayern.
 

JuveJay

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That was one of Costa's worst games this season. He didn't get back to the level of 2015 yet.
I think some players just generally look busy and dangerous, and they get rated based on that. It tends to be quick and skilful players. I remember feeling that way about Cuadrado every time he played us, even if he wasn't all that great in some of those games. But now he's here you look at him in a different way as your player.
 

Vialli_92

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:tup:

I actually hope it is a 3-5-2 in Munich. Alex Sandro will be a massive addition for us in or attacking player if he starts. For or strikers and for his link-up play with Pogba. We can get a good result there, they are fantastic but not unbeatable.
Think Alex Sandro was our biggest loss last night. Hopefully in Munich he will be raring to go and tear up that left side.

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That was one of Costa's worst games this season. He didn't get back to the level of 2015 yet.
A lot of it also depends on the guy playing behind him. Bernat really isn't a big help...
All in all there is still a lot to catch up for Costa till he gets on Ribéry's level.
He may never get on Ribery's level. He definitely has talent as we clearly saw last night but his final decision making is not as good as it should be.
 

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